Hi guys! I need some help on improving my current Custom PC hardware selection
Processor: Intel i5-2500k Processor
VGA: Sapphire HD6870 1GB DDR5
PSU: FSP AURUM SERIES GOLD 600W
Hard Drive: Seagate 500GB Sata 3
Dvd Drive: LG 24x DVDRW SATA - OEM
RAM: PC3 1600 CL9 Corsair vengeance 8GB Ram
Casing: Cooler Master Elite 430 or Cooler Master Elite 431+
Mobo: Gigabyte Z68-DS3-B3 or Z68MA-D2H-B3
For casing and mother board I am not too sure if I should get those or some other type.
Please help me decide and why. Thanks in advance
Originally posted by Nublet93:Hi guys! I need some help on improving my current Custom PC hardware selection
Processor: Intel i5-2500k Processor
VGA: Sapphire HD6870 1GB DDR5
PSU: FSP AURUM SERIES GOLD 600W
Hard Drive: Seagate 500GB Sata 3
Dvd Drive: LG 24x DVDRW SATA - OEM
RAM: PC3 1600 CL9 Corsair vengeance 8GB Ram
Casing: Cooler Master Elite 430 or Cooler Master Elite 431+
Mobo: Gigabyte Z68-DS3-B3 or Z68MA-D2H-B3
For casing and mother board I am not too sure if I should get those or some other type.
Please help me decide and why. Thanks in advance
I've taken a brief look at your items and I believed you have well considered all your items beforehand. Good for you.
Thus, I would not try to do a major overhaul as everthing already pretty well selected based on your budget and pre-requisites.
Here's my two cents worth of opinion for selected items:
Motherboad - although some opinions may differ about Z68 chipset, unless you know what you are going to put up with (faster video conversion & switchable graphics) you may consider getting P67 (good for overclocking too) but without integrated graphics.
As I am a sucker to ASUS mobo, the ASUS P8z68-v (Z68) is alright and ASUS P8P67 (P67) also good enough for your proposed plan. But again, your Gigabyte Z68-DS3-B3 is okay though.
Always cater for more PCI slots because you never know what you need to add in near future and do remember that when you expand, your power supply too gives out extra watt to the newly installed hardware.
Casing - If it's Z68-DS3-B3 then Cooler Master Elite 430 is alright.
CPU - It's fine supported by the selected motherboard.
Hard drive - Since Seagate already bought over Samsung hard drives then it's okay though. Fyi - Samsung hard drives is value for money.
DVD Drive - It's alright, depends on individual preferences as it is not that expensive to change these days.
RAM - As long as you know that only 64bit OS would recognise more than 3GB of ram then you are safe.
VGA - That's one of the powerful grahic cards. Since it requires 500w of power supply you may consider wider options for your PSU.
PSU - As mentioned above, this 600w 80Plus Gold is alright though. But still need to be careful as your VGA card's minimum requirement is having a system of 500w. The more the better and choose the most power efficient to save electricity. We don't want your gaming experience to be short-lived by insufficient power supply to the whole rigged system.
There you go, hope this help.
Hushmatters I had consider ASUS Z68 and P67 series before but they are kinda pricey ><..
I was also wondering if I took the Z68MA-D2H-B3 series with the 3.0 usb can I not use the 3.0 usb with elite 430 casing?
And for PSU is 600w enuf or should I get 700w?
Thanks again Hushmatters for the info! :D
Originally posted by Nublet93:Hushmatters I had consider ASUS Z68 and P67 series before but they are kinda pricey ><..
I was also wondering if I took the Z68MA-D2H-B3 series with the 3.0 usb can I not use the 3.0 usb with elite 430 casing?
And for PSU is 600w enuf or should I get 700w?
Thanks again Hushmatters for the info! :D
Gald to help.
It's okay with your GIGABYTE mobo and yes ASUS is kinda pricey.
The Z68MA-D2H-B3 is okay with Cooler Master Elite 430. Anyway, the Z68MA-D2H-B3 has two USB 3.0 ports at the back panel. Getting some ports with USB 3.0 is a good idea. I don't see why you don't want to use it. Just check to see if the mobo provides you with its back panel connectors' cover plate to fit into the casing.
By the way, it's useless getting Cooler Master Elite 431+ (Plus) with 3.0 USB port at the front panel where you don't have USB 3.0 headers available at the internal I/O connectors.
For the PSU, I would strongly suggest the 700w than 600w - with 80plus awarded power efficiency.
Hope this helps.
Thanks once again xD!
I think I might upgrade my mobo and psu hope they all fall under 1200 :D!
Do you know how crossfirex and sli works?
what are the requirement for them to work.
Because I noticed 1 pci is x16 and other is x8 is that good?
Originally posted by Nublet93:Thanks once again xD!
I think I might upgrade my mobo and psu hope they all fall under 1200 :D!
Do you know how crossfirex and sli works?
what are the requirement for them to work.
Because I noticed 1 pci is x16 and other is x8 is that good?
Briefly and in layman's term the requirements would be of course having the xfire/sli ready mobo, xfire/sli ready graphic cards, bridge connector and the pc system that does not experiencing bottlenecks in processing (compatible cpu to run xfire/sli functions).
Again in layman's term - xfire/sli is mainly for a pc system that use double graphic cards to boost graphical performance but not all would need to use xfire/sli setup though. Or not necessary for you to use 2 cards if you could already have one brilliant card.
For illustration: if you have one graphic card that perform well to all latest games then you don't have to go all the trouble having xfire/sli to play games. It's only when you think that getting one brilliant card could burn a hole in your pocket, then it is good idea to have two graphic cards (at least with similar specs for reliable performance) rigged under xfire/sli which in turn will perform similar to that one brilliant graphic card. E.g. 1 + 1 = 1 (definitely not in actual math representation)
My advise is to check on the typical games' graphic requirements that you might play. For this at least you would know by how far you would need to upgrade further in near future or at least how long your card would last or be relevant to current or modern day games like Crysis or others alike in near future.
For the PCIEX16 slot - your Z68MA-D2H-B3 mobo specs would indicate that "for optimum performance, if only one PCI Express graphics card is to be installed, be sure to install it in the PCIEX16 slot."
For the PCIEX8 - your Z68MA-D2H-B3 mobo specs would indicate that "the PCIEX8 slot shares bandwidth with the PCIEX16 slot. When the PCIEX8 slot is populated, the PCIEX16 slot will operate at up to x8 mode."
The PCIEX slots like X1, X4, X8 and X16 are just new and advanced PCI slots for hardware that needs more bandwith than the usual PCI slot (works just same as PCI except for the bandwith). It can be for TV tuners, Firewire cards, USB cards, RAID controllers, SATA controllers, PATA controllers, Network cards, Serial cards and of course video cards. Be sure to check the card's requirements before slotting into one.
It's good to have a mobo without integrated graphic card which give way to the usage of two PCIEX cards. But any way could do.
In essence, if you have graphic cards slotted in one at PCIEX16 and the other at PCIEX8 then your card in PCIEX16 will operate up to X8 only (not X16) inheriting the 2nd card that is slotted in PCIEX8 (conforms to whichever is lower). So typically, it also apply to those having the 3rd and 4th graphic card slotted at lower bandwith slots like PCIEX4 etc. Thus, choose wisely which type of graphical card setup that you would prefer as I've mentioned above.
For more information on the xfire/sli usage or to understand further how each Xfire and SLI works, please visit this site which covers most of it:
http://www.gamefront.com/how-to-choose-between-nvidia-sli-and-ati-crossfire/#section2
Hope this help.
>< Kinda confusing but think I get it
Meaning if I use 2 gpc,
my gpc will become slower and run on x8 x8 instead of x16 x0 ?
You also said to get 700w psu and I was thinking if 700w would be enough if I did abit of OC and with 2 GPC? (Thinking abit in the furture)
Once again great info :D! How did you find those info anyway lol..
So now my hardware would be
i5-2500k
Sapphire Radeon HD 6870
500GB Seagate harddrive sata 3
LG 24x DVDRW SATA - OEM
PC3 1600 CL9 Corsair vengeance 8GB Ram
Cooler Master Elite 430
Z68MA-D2H-B3
PSU might become 700 or more?
Originally posted by Nublet93:>< Kinda confusing but think I get it
Meaning if I use 2 gpc,
my gpc will become slower and run on x8 x8 instead of x16 x0 ?You also said to get 700w psu and I was thinking if 700w would be enough if I did abit of OC and with 2 GPC? (Thinking abit in the furture)
Once again great info :D! How did you find those info anyway lol..
So now my hardware would be
i5-2500k
Sapphire Radeon HD 6870
500GB Seagate harddrive sata 3
LG 24x DVDRW SATA - OEM
PC3 1600 CL9 Corsair vengeance 8GB Ram
Cooler Master Elite 430
Z68MA-D2H-B3
PSU might become 700 or more?
Glad to help.
Yes but not really slowing it down but that's the way it works. Eventually some would experience better performance and some more or less neutral. It all depends on the type of combination of graphic cards and its specs.
About all the info, well I used to be a hardware junkie, those were the days when I was younger and I do still keep up with latest development. And internet is the best way for knowledge base.
Yes for PSU if you can have money to spare then as I've mentioned before, the more the merrier.
Hope this help.
Finalization!
Okay I am still not too sure what PSU to get and my budget is super duper tight..
I wanted to get a deathadder mouse or maybe I shouldnt it all depending on what I have left :(..
So here goes..
Intel i5-2500k
Sapphire Radeon HD 6870 DDR5 1GB (Future might add 1 more for crossfire)
PC3 1600 CL9 Corsair Vengeance 4x2 (8GB) Ram
Seagate 500GB Sata3 (Future might add 1 TB)
LG 24x DVDRW SATA - OEM
Cooler Master Elite 430
Gigabyte Z68MA-D2H-B3
Thats the current spec of my Custom PC and I left about 130sgd for my PSU so I am not too sure what to get..
Please recommend me some PSU around that price thanks!
Originally posted by Nublet93:Finalization!
Okay I am still not too sure what PSU to get and my budget is super duper tight..
I wanted to get a deathadder mouse or maybe I shouldnt it all depending on what I have left :(..
So here goes..
Intel i5-2500k
Sapphire Radeon HD 6870 DDR5 1GB (Future might add 1 more for crossfire)
PC3 1600 CL9 Corsair Vengeance 4x2 (8GB) Ram
Seagate 500GB Sata3 (Future might add 1 TB)
LG 24x DVDRW SATA - OEM
Cooler Master Elite 430
Gigabyte Z68MA-D2H-B3
Thats the current spec of my Custom PC and I left about 130sgd for my PSU so I am not too sure what to get..
Please recommend me some PSU around that price thanks!
I would suggest that you have to buy whatever PSU that could sufficiently power up your rigged system for time being until you upgrade to higher power capacity in the near future. Thus, you got to save up slowly but surely.
For $130 plus/minus, I believed you can get something like the following:
1) Cooler Master GX Series GX-650W (max output 780W) Price = $139 approx. @ bizgram
2) Aerocool E85M-700 (max output 700W) Price < $139 approx. (can ask bizgram or other authorised dealer on availability) - value for money
3) OCZ ModXtreme OCZ700MXSP (max output 700W) Price = $134 @ bizgram
4) XFX Pro650w Core Edition 80+ (max output 650W) Price = $129 @ bizgram
The above PSU are the ones that I've used before and reliable. Can look into other brands too. Check your vendor listings.
Hope this help.
Hmm I might consider those :D!
And should I look for 80+ or its cool since almost all the PSU have like 5 years
warranty.
There also Ivy bridge processor thats coming out do you think I should wait for it?
Thanks once again lol xD super duper infos :D!
Originally posted by Nublet93:Hmm I might consider those :D!
And should I look for 80+ or its cool since almost all the PSU have like 5 years
warranty.There also Ivy bridge processor thats coming out do you think I should wait for it?
Thanks once again lol xD super duper infos :D!
Glad to help.
I believed that 80+ awarded PSU usually comes with a reasonable cooling and silence factor.
Well, it's your call. If you are not so eager to lay your hands on the current new games or it's not really that urgent for your to rig a system now, then why not?
Cheers to you and your new system.
I noticed that If I buy online from bizgarm there a super cheap 800w PSU!
http://www.bizgram.com.sg/products/Corsair--GS800W-%283-yrs%29-Gaming-Series-800W%2C-80plus%2C-14cm-LED-fan.html
So I was wondering if I buy the rest of the parts in other shop isit worth it?
Originally posted by Nublet93:
I noticed that If I buy online from bizgarm there a super cheap 800w PSU!
http://www.bizgram.com.sg/products/Corsair--GS800W-%283-yrs%29-Gaming-Series-800W%2C-80plus%2C-14cm-LED-fan.html
So I was wondering if I buy the rest of the parts in other shop isit worth it?
Yes this Corsair is value for money. But please ensure the dimension could comfortably fit into your casing - 150mm(W) x 86mm(H) x 160mm(L) - just take note of the height (H). In other words, just take note of the dimension as you would not want another problem of having your PSU can't fit into with your internal casing arrangement.
Cheaper yes, and again you have to take note and consider the additional shipping or delivery charges too.
Of course if you buy the whole lot from one source, you could probably twist their arm and request for further discount. But again, if you are on tight budget sometimes getting products all over the place is actually not bad though.
Hope this help.
Okay :D
I also when to check the one you recommended
1) Cooler Master GX Series GX-650W (max output 780W) Price = $139
approx. @ bizgram
What does it mean by max output 780w does it mean it can go up to 780w?
And I also noticed some PSU have crossfirex and sli ready are those useful if I am going to crossfire in the future :O?
Originally posted by Nublet93:Okay :D
I also when to check the one you recommended
1) Cooler Master GX Series GX-650W (max output 780W) Price = $139 approx. @ bizgramWhat does it mean by max output 780w does it mean it can go up to 780w?
And I also noticed some PSU have crossfirex and sli ready are those useful if I am going to crossfire in the future :O?
Yes the power capacity can go up to the maximum of 780W whenever the system demands.
Yes those are useful for multi-gpu graphic configuration. But remember the objective is still the power capacity. E.g. If you buy 600w capacity now and when you ugraded your system with the usage of multi-gpus graphic config, then you need to pay attention of the new power demands which definitely not the same as 600w.
The bottom line is try to get the bigger watts that could cater for future expansion if you want to invest in it. Or else, you could always upgrade them as you go along.
Hope this help.
Then if I got a normal PSU with high watt isit possible to change it into
crossfire ready? Instead of buying a new one?
Because I used some watt caculator online and they stat I aleast need 750w :( if I decided to use 2 gpc..
So lets say if I used the GX Series GX-650w then how am I going to hook up 2 by 2nd gpc? If its not crossfire ready?
Originally posted by Nublet93:Then if I got a normal PSU with high watt isit possible to change it into
crossfire ready? Instead of buying a new one?Because I used some watt caculator online and they stat I aleast need 750w :( if I decided to use 2 gpc..
So lets say if I used the GX Series GX-650w then how am I going to hook up 2 by 2nd gpc? If its not crossfire ready?
At least 750W but that's only minimum requirement. To have continuous and realiable stability a higher capacity preferred.
My advise for you is not to cross the bridge until you come to it.
Since you have reasonable graphic card, you may well proceed on to use it with your newly rigged system using the recommended PSU until such time where you got no choice but to upgrade. When the time comes, I believed you may have enough savings to upgrade further. Who knows, you could have two systems by then.
For computer enthusiasts, you must willing to accept that there's no such thing as permanent or long lasting configuration that could be relevant to the ever changing development in the industry. One thing in life that is constant is change. So we might be using xfire/sli now but who knows there will be future configurations better and less headache than that. Probably in the upcoming pc show, you'll never know.
As for question on the GX Series, it is SLI-ready not much of Xfire. But it's not about connectivity, it's about the flexibility of power distribution whilst on demand. The difference in usage between SLI and Xfire is as described in the earlier article.
My question to you is how soon you want to use 2 graphic cards? If it's not that soon then you could purchase other brand of PSU that comply to your current configuration and start rigging.
Leave the flexibility in power capacity for SLI/Xfire to the next time you would upgrade.
You could always sell away your purchased PSU via local online classified sites when you decide to upgrade to higher capacity. Just keep the original packaging intact. There's always somebody who seek for best deal in used hardware.
Hope this helps.
OCZ ModXtreme OCZ700MXSP
I feel like getting that but.. I am not sure if it has 4 PCI slot >< Do you have any idea if it does?
Isit bad if it doesnt have a crossfire ready sign on it?
And should I get a Boardcom adaptor? Because my current PC is kinda far away from my room aleast need few meters ethernet cable to my new PC.
And which kind of wireless PCI should I get or maybe you would recommend something else.
>< Sorry for asking so many questions..
Once again thanks in advance!
Originally posted by Nublet93:OCZ ModXtreme OCZ700MXSP
I feel like getting that but.. I am not sure if it has 4 PCI slot >< Do you have any idea if it does?
Isit bad if it doesnt have a crossfire ready sign on it?
And should I get a Boardcom adaptor? Because my current PC is kinda far away from my room aleast need few meters ethernet cable to my new PC.
And which kind of wireless PCI should I get or maybe you would recommend something else.
>< Sorry for asking so many questions..
Once again thanks in advance!
The OCZ700MXSP is not that bad. It has good reviews too - value for money. As I've said before, take note of the dimension compare to your current casing. Just make sure the PSU could sit comfortably based on it's height.
4 PCI Slot? Are you talking about PSU or Motherboard? I think we have gone through your mobo specs for PCIs. And for the PSU, they never ever have slots but they do provide 4 modular peripheral cables: Here's what they have under modular cables:
1 x 6-pin PCI-E (for cards that need direct power boost)
1 x 6+2-pin PCI-E (for cards that need direct power boost)
4 x Peripheral (as mentioned above)
2 x Floppy
6 x SATA
And again, please elaborate on the 4 PCI slots in order for me give exact insights.
Having certified for crossfire or not doesn't make any difference for PSU, but Motherboad yes, until you want to start using 2 Crossfire graphic cards then you may need to find Crossfire certified PSU for reliability and stability.
Boardcom adaptor is one those players in the market. But let me share with you about wireless configuration....
Although, it's better to have cable connection in order to eliminate potential loss of bandwidth and/or "lag", wireless connection also gives better options for such scenario as yours. But before we plunged ourselves into it, let's take note of some of the following known issues:
1) Most Windows 7 64-bit having certain issues with pci wireless adaptor;
2) USB wireless dongle is one of the alternative but can't match with pci wireless adaptor reliability and stability.
3) With potential of loss in bandwidth, user might experience close to below average performance in high-speed Internet connection, transfer files, and stream media from greater distances around your entire home.
But the game is not over yet. Personally I prefer wireless than cable, so in order to overcome all the above known issues, getting the one of the most high performance, reliable and tested adaptor is the answer.
As such, I'll be highly recommending D-Link DWA-552 Xtreme Desktop Adapter, easy out of the box setup, no specific drivers or sophisticated installation needed, Win 7 64bit-friendly. This adaptor is what I am using right now communicating with you. If you think of getting wireless for your desktop, then this is the answer.
Hope this helps.
Thanks for all the info once again :D! and I think I wont be able to get wireless kinda expensive >< maybe have to think of ways to get my ethernet cable in my room or something -__-~
Now my build becomes..
One of those power supply I think..
(I am not sure about the price but in amazon convert to sgd like quite ok)
(How do I know if this PSU will fit in my case)
And the last time I when to simlim the cheapest price that they shops gave me was
from tradepac.. but their aftersales service have been bad for last year so I am not too sure if I should go there.. but they are the only shop that manage to hit my budget.. Any idea what I should do :(?
Originally posted by Nublet93:Thanks for all the info once again :D! and I think I wont be able to get wireless kinda expensive >< maybe have to think of ways to get my ethernet cable in my room or something -__-~
Now my build becomes..
- i5-2500k
- Sapphire Radeon HD 6870
- 500GB Seagate harddrive sata 3
- LG 24x DVDRW SATA - OEM
- PC3 1600 CL9 Corsair vengeance 8GB Ram
- Cooler Master Elite 430
- Z68MA-D2H-B3
One of those power supply I think..
(I am not sure about the price but in amazon convert to sgd like quite ok)
- CORSAIR Professional Series HX650
- XFX PRO750W XXX Edition Semi-Modular 80Plus Silver 750w (Out too ex)
- OCZ 750W Fatal1ty Series Semi-Modular PSU
- Antec EarthWatts Series EA-750 Green 750W ATX12V v2.3
(How do I know if this PSU will fit in my case)
And the last time I when to simlim the cheapest price that they shops gave me was
from tradepac.. but their aftersales service have been bad for last year so I am not too sure if I should go there.. but they are the only shop that manage to hit my budget.. Any idea what I should do :(?
Glad to help.
No problem though, I understand your situation.
I believed we have not changed anything to your system's choice except for PSU.
It looks good to go for me.
As for determining the PSU sizes; your Cooler Master Elite 430 fits well with the Standard ATX PS2 size. Which is 150mm(W) x 86mm(H) x 140mm(L).
Here is a clear picture of what you would expect for the above standard size that fits into your Cooler Master Elite 430 like a hand into a glove:
So take note of the dimension. The dimensions that could be flexible would be the length (L) which can be longer. The height (H) and the width (W) shall be fixed due to screw holes etc.
There you go. If you still not sure, do let me know.
Hope this helps.
Originally posted by Nublet93:Thanks for all the info once again :D! and I think I wont be able to get wireless kinda expensive >< maybe have to think of ways to get my ethernet cable in my room or something -__-~
Now my build becomes..
- i5-2500k
- Sapphire Radeon HD 6870
- 500GB Seagate harddrive sata 3
- LG 24x DVDRW SATA - OEM
- PC3 1600 CL9 Corsair vengeance 8GB Ram
- Cooler Master Elite 430
- Z68MA-D2H-B3
One of those power supply I think..
(I am not sure about the price but in amazon convert to sgd like quite ok)
- CORSAIR Professional Series HX650
- XFX PRO750W XXX Edition Semi-Modular 80Plus Silver 750w (Out too ex)
- OCZ 750W Fatal1ty Series Semi-Modular PSU
- Antec EarthWatts Series EA-750 Green 750W ATX12V v2.3
(How do I know if this PSU will fit in my case)
And the last time I when to simlim the cheapest price that they shops gave me was
from tradepac.. but their aftersales service have been bad for last year so I am not too sure if I should go there.. but they are the only shop that manage to hit my budget.. Any idea what I should do :(?
Referring to your last paragraph, it depends on what kind of after sales service you would expect.
Most of the items are having their own respective warranty by the manufacturer directly. Just make sure you don't get defective items or malfunction hardware upon opening the packaging.
Unless you want them to assemble it for you, I don't think you need to keep in touch with them. As long as you get the price you wanted then your objectives are already being met - mission successful.
Always remember to register your respective product via their respective manufacturer in order to have a valid warranty.
If you have any concerns, please let it out, I may have some solutions for you based on my personal experience.
Hope this helps.
Okay :D I will be sure to ask you if they give me any sort of problem~
Sure hope they don't..
I also found that most of the shop in SG doesn't carry the PSU I mention if they do it is expensive like crazy!...
So I decided to go with
FSP Aurum series gold 700w for $155
or..
FSP Aurum 750w Modular for $179
Which do you think it is more worth it?
50w + modular for 24$ more..? or there no need for it :O.
Thanks for all the help so far and thank you so so much for your patience!
Is there anything thats like +rep :D I will be sure to do it!
Originally posted by Nublet93:Okay :D I will be sure to ask you if they give me any sort of problem~
Sure hope they don't..I also found that most of the shop in SG doesn't carry the PSU I mention if they do it is expensive like crazy!...
So I decided to go with
FSP Aurum series gold 700w for $155
or..
FSP Aurum 750w Modular for $179Which do you think it is more worth it?
50w + modular for 24$ more..? or there no need for it :O.
Thanks for all the help so far and thank you so so much for your patience!
Is there anything thats like +rep :D I will be sure to do it!
Lol....Glad to help though.
Definitely not worth the 50W and doesn't make any difference with $24 except for the modular part where much depend on your preference whether you are very particular about cable management and prefer to have a clean and cool look internally than unsorted cable layout, which not a big issue, if you know how to organise. Your call.
It's been a pleasure to assist you.
All the best to your new system. Enjoy gaming!