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Originally posted by jedi:see!! I told you that I am talking a someone that is really nuts!!
I am giving example of spare parts & consumable items, but now start to tell me where to buy spare parts.
This is really a good example of someone that don't really know MLM.
anyhow, it would be useful if you can provide me the name of the factory that produce heating elements for HP printers, I am totally upset with HP, especially have to leave the printer there for 1 month then still have to pay for sky price.
Who is asking you to buy spare parts? Look at your own message. Do you think they are not earning big bucks? I'm askin you to check it out with them yourself b4 you say so much.
Do you really know MLM yourself???????? HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
No one will entertain you in the factory. Since you buy HP printer, then you have to play the rules of the cumstomer services.
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jedi... for your info... i'm not against networking concept.
i'm saying... prove yourself in amway! i'm really sick of amway agent going around claiming this and that and at the end of 5 years...quit because no money!
please... if you are soooo good, then become a crown ass lah! if you cant... then just shut up.
and lastly, please dont divert attention. prove us wrong to become a CROWN ASS ! -
I already expected that this is the way others attack Amway, always say "become a Crown Ambassador then only talk"...
Not only in Amway, do you think we should only listen to Hawaii Blue Diamond in NuSkin or actually a leader in NuSkin is enough?
People always say about how to invest in share market, but can I say "win Warren Buffet then only talk, else don't talk kok"??
come on guys, me matured a bit, not only Crown Ambassador can talk about Amway, same thing, not only Bill Gates can talk about programming. -
just prove yourself to everyone lah. if cant.. dont give sooo many excuse lah.
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guys ... i m setting up this topic and forum to discuss and tok about marketing plans and MLM stuff ... not to quarell over here
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Just a suggestion: Why don't you start to take a look at different points of view ? I believed that there are other reasons for Alex to state that.
You do not need to listen to those leaders, yet how much do you really understand doing biz or even MLM? & when do you think you can or how sure and confident are you that you can? You need to set your target, unfortunately, I don't see any from you.
What do you know about Share again?
As usual, Bill Gates doesn't talk about programming. You can be a very very good programmer, but seldom can your mindset be the same like him. If not you wont be in present situation. It's not the person, but the mindset and his horizon that determine one's success or failure. -
you are rite! it's the mindset!
that's why if you set your mind to make it success in MLM, you can do it!
If you set it as Crown Ambassador, you will be Crown Ambassador one day!!
but many people think that, "let me see if sure can success then only I start"
I can say, when I start in Amway, most of my friend say this to me, they say "wait till you make it to Diamond, then you come to sponsor me"
but now, I made what I want, they ask me sponsor them and teach them how to do it, I also lazy already.
Now, it's not I beg who to do this business, it's now who I want to help, I can be very selective, because I know the way to success. -
Originally posted by jedi:Not everyone in this world change blades very often, and also NOT everyone use razor blade!
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You start brushing your teeth from yr 1 to the day you die, but if you are a guy, you start to use razor blade when you are 20.
Can you see the difference between razor blade & consumable item?
If you wanna compare with computer parts, can!! let's talk about HP printer.
in a HP LaserJet printer, there will be many parts such as heating elements and etc. Although HP printer is very famous in the world, but HP is the only company on Earth that produce heating elements for HP printers.
But let's look at toner & cartridge, a lot of remanufacturer toner and refill cartridge running in the market.
Why these competitors do NOT want to produce heating elements and they start to bang the toner market?!
This is because to a printer, toner is a consumable item and heating elements is just a spare parts. Consumable item will never ever be saturated BUT if they start to produce heating elements, they will be in deep shit.
cheers!
You're correct when you say that not everyone uses toothpaste. But take a look at the size of the market of razor blade users. Guys use them from age 20 onwards.
Of course it is not as large as toothpaste. But hey, one company(figuratively speaking) to provide for Singapore?
There is a point of equlibrium in all markets. And that happens to be the saturation point also.
There will come a point of saturation. Paper, stationary, toothpaste, toilet paper, hairdressors, transport. These are all consumuable products and services. Saturation point does allow slightly more than average number of companies, but on the long run it will even out.
So if one goes in the market with 3Ps. Make sure they are strong 3 Ps. Why don't companies produce heating products? The other point to consider is patenting.
Photocopier industry is now ruled by Canon at 70% market share (if I remember the number correctly). It's freaking profitable and it's not a consumable product.
Why not enter into this industry?
Canon entered the market to push out Xerox. Canon patented what Xerox didn't. 2000++ patents on one machine.
(Singapore has only less than 500 for the whole country.)
Let's go back to the Gillette example. It's clearly a consumable product with a huge market.
Why don't others enter this consumable market?
Patents again.
Gillette patents everything from the angle the blade is tilted to how the grip is made. Everything.
Going back to toothpaste, it's the other consumable market. Why not more enter? Patents again. The newcomer will find it hard to create a new toothpaste without violating the patents. -
Relating MLM to all this the-consumable-market is not saturated thing......
MLMs are also competing with non-MLM companies for the market.
So it makes not difference if you're in a MLM or not. -
Originally posted by jedi:
anyhow, it would be useful if you can provide me the name of the factory that produce heating elements for HP printers, I am totally upset with HP, especially have to leave the printer there for 1 month then still have to pay for sky price. I know HP must have done their 3Ps very well, to have you pay high prices for its printers. -
Please refer to a book called "Prosumer Power" before you start comment on anything.Originally posted by Parka: Relating MLM to all this the-consumable-market is not saturated thing......
MLMs are also competing with non-MLM companies for the market.
So it makes not difference if you're in a MLM or not.
If you are buying from non-MLM, of course no problem, but you are only a consumer, always a consumer that pays money.
Example your grandfather using razor blade or toothpaste from non-MLM company, your dad also doing the same thing and you also getting your stuff from non-MLM companies.
So your grandfather used for 80 years, your father used for 40 years and you used for 20 years, total you three people using razor blade & toothpaste from non-MLM companies for 140 years!
So, can anyone tell me, after using non-MLM products for more than 140 years, what do you get?
But if you used MLM products for 140 years, and your son & grandson also using it, I believe you will get something.
So non-MLM and MLM makes no difference? it's up to you to be a consumer or prosumer.
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What do you get, exactly?
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this book, right?
I'll definitely check it out.
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Be humble to know that no one is able to be the best. Learn from others and understand their points of view.
The way of success to where and when is important. " One day " theory will never come. Are you really sure if you really know?
MLM or Non-MLM industry, the important thing is still uniqueness and competitive. How can you occupy a big portion of the market pie. -
BUT if you are just a consumer, you will never ever have a chance to occupy any portion of the market pie!Originally posted by stormax:MLM or Non-MLM industry, the important thing is still uniqueness and competitive. How can you occupy a big portion of the market pie.
Unless you run TESCO or GIANT, then that is another story. -
Are you trying to mix consumer and prosumer together?
Like I buy toothpaste, I also sell toothpaste, so I'm a prosumer? -
hmmmm juz my 2 cents
nothing against MLM
but then i heard of ppl's comments that it seems morally not right to be earning money of those related to u or friends....
it could be the perception of MLM in singapore -
Originally posted by au_revoir:hmmmm juz my 2 cents
nothing against MLM
but then i heard of ppl's comments that it seems morally not right to be earning money of those related to u or friends....
it could be the perception of MLM in singapore Actually there's nothing wrong with selling things to friends? So why do people have this impression or perception that it's not morally right?
When you're selling stuff to your friends, esp good friends, make sure that it's good quality stuff that's going to provide value. They are your friends, they can find you easily.
So if the product is bad, they will always come back to complain. Friendship sours, when it comes to money. Which is why some people say do business cannot do with friends. But nothing is morally wrong.
This issue actually leads to the primary problem that MLMs have been trying very hard to shake off.
Bad image and reputation.
That comes from the close association from pyramid selling. And image is very hard to create. It takes many years to create an image or brand, it takes many years to erase a bad image too.
Other things also contributed to its reputation. For an industry to have such a reputation, you can't say that it's built overnight. -
Originally posted by Parka:
yup i agree on what you said.... the moral part i was talking abt is selling ur item... if the item is genuninely good and beneficial, then of coz both parties will benefit.... but some sell for the sake of selling.... they are the black sheeps....
[When you're selling stuff to your friends, esp good friends, make sure that it's good quality stuff that's going to provide value. They are your friends, they can find you easily.
So if the product is bad, they will always come back to complain. Friendship sours, when it comes to money. Which is why some people say do business cannot do with friends. But nothing is morally wrong.
This issue actually leads to the primary problem that MLMs have been trying very hard to shake off.
Bad image and reputation.
That comes from the close association from pyramid selling. And image is very hard to create. It takes many years to create an image or brand, it takes many years to erase a bad image too.
Other things also contributed to its reputation. For an industry to have such a reputation, you can't say that it's built overnight.
i seen a "fren" of me who has no frens now... heard he got a car thru selling magnetic items (bed etc) but doesnt have a licence yet and the worst is no frens....
actually i think for MLM, when u approach ur frens and relatives, they will buy juz becoz of giving u face... whether they will come back or not will depend on ur product itself....
sometimes ppl rather trust a rumour from someone than actual facts from the source... thats society i guess -
BTW, who is toking about being a consumer?
Who earn more? Giant or Microsoft? -
i'm dont think i have the chance to wait for you to become crown ass...it would take hundreds of years to reach that. one phrase, wait long long!Originally posted by jedi:you are rite! it's the mindset!
that's why if you set your mind to make it success in MLM, you can do it!
If you set it as Crown Ambassador, you will be Crown Ambassador one day!!
but many people think that, "let me see if sure can success then only I start"
I can say, when I start in Amway, most of my friend say this to me, they say "wait till you make it to Diamond, then you come to sponsor me"
but now, I made what I want, they ask me sponsor them and teach them how to do it, I also lazy already.
Now, it's not I beg who to do this business, it's now who I want to help, I can be very selective, because I know the way to success. -
how long you need to reach crown ambassador, it depends on yourself.
Kaoru Nakajima in Japan took 5 years to reach Crown Ambassador
Many people failed and then blame their failure due to company or market problem. This kind of people will NEVER ever success in ANYTHING.
Actually, it depends on yourself. If you one day go sell one dish drop, then it will take you 300 years to reach Crown Ambassador.
BUT if you one day go show the plan 10 times, you can be Crown Ambassador in less than 5 years. -
so please do what you mean. prove us that you can reach in 5 years. hmm...maybe impossible for you? how about we let you take 10 years??
or too impossible for you too? hmm... 20 years?? should be ok with you or you still need your next generation to take over? -
frankly speaking, I admit I am too stupid to talk to you.Originally posted by Alex Wong:so please do what you mean. prove us that you can reach in 5 years. hmm...maybe impossible for you? how about we let you take 10 years??
or too impossible for you too? hmm... 20 years?? should be ok with you or you still need your next generation to take over?
U don't even know who am I, and you start to conclude that I am not a crown ambassador.
wether you are correct or not, what I can see here is that you conclude anything before looking at the whole picture.
That's why I can say, your failure is because of your altitude and not the industry