Classic Bowl Season II News, Updates Thread.
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Please guys, lets not make it too commercial.
The main aim is to motivate people not to really penalized them. I see that the system is ok but for better bowlers they may just end up sandbagging cos no fine.
Question that we must ask: what is the purpose of the fine and reward?
By the way from my experience, I was in teams that fine $5 for <150 and $2 for <160.
Now my current team actually only fines if below 160 and if win all 4 points, the game would be on the captain/manager (free). -
win all 4 points free games? wow... i love the sound of that. however, i tink hanzz and jae would just bend over and ask us to get payment in kind.
seriously, as i pointed out to jae, the fines is not meant as penalities to low scoring bowlers but rather as a motivating factor. the money gotten from fines is not the issue, its just a by product. the better u play, the less u pay, the better the team results, the more points from the team, =higher standings,=more money at the end of league, more money distributed.
its a way of encouraging pple not to languish at the bottom but to strive for the top.
wat comes around goes around. end of league, u get back money anyway. -
The number one motivation is to bowl better so we won't pay fines. Simple as that. And also if you bowl extra good, you tend to benefit from it. It's not meant to be a be all and end all, but it's just there to keep us on our toes.Originally posted by clown:Please guys, lets not make it too commercial.
The main aim is to motivate people not to really penalized them. I see that the system is ok but for better bowlers they may just end up sandbagging cos no fine.
Question that we must ask: what is the purpose of the fine and reward?
By the way from my experience, I was in teams that fine $5 for <150 and $2 for <160.
Now my current team actually only fines if below 160 and if win all 4 points, the game would be on the captain/manager (free).
Clown, I don't know what you term by "weaker bowler" and "stronger bowler", but I'll be the first to admit in our forum, many of us don't always get above 160 on a consistent basis. This system was to make these people "pull up their socks", so to speak.
If a bowler constantly gets 200s for fun, good for him, he'll probably soak up a lot of the fines as prizes, but thing is, he would have deserved it. We need anchor material, something which the teams lack.
Thing is, if we penalise bowlers that bowl badly, it stands to reason that we also reward bowlers who do well. And we can't really base it on number of points won 'cos I may bowl one day 150 avg against a 130 avg and win 4 pts, but also maybe bowl a 200 avg vs a 220 bowler and get 0 pts. So we go by something we can control. Pinfalls.
We do NOT sandbag. Besides the fact that we don't really have the ability to do it (but that's irrelevant, heh heh
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Then again, this league offers us the uniqueness of not being able to sandbag. What's the point? Your scores get upgraded to 160 anyway, for handicap purposes. In other leagues with no bare minimum, sandbagging is an issue, but In this league, anything less than a 160 is "a waste" in the first place. So no worries about sandbagging here.
But seriously, we go out onto the lanes with a mindset to get all 4 points. If it means we have to throw a pin or 2 away in the last frame to raise handicap a little to win a game, we do it. Just like what WX did on Monday. At the end of the day, we do what it takes to win. -
true true....if we can afford to sandbag, we will. However, most of us cant.
I always think fines are to punish bowlers who did poorly, and rewards are for those who did rather well. i dont particularly like paying for fines, therefore my first thinking is, dont get fined!
Then if no fines, bowl an excellent game and win something. Anyway, I dun really know our reward system, only fine system so my ulterior motive is no fines, go out there and do my best for high games. Oh, that and thrash ah peks!!!! -
hey hey.!!!!
im back!!
its been a long time..real long time...
but im back...
i wd like to voice out my opinions.
I believe there are bowlers out there who are not very well off but are still bowling for their passion for the game...
no doubt the fine system is to motivate us to play better but every player do have their off form days and no doubt it may sound like a couple of dollars aint much to most of you but it does pinch for those who aint wealthy.
just a suggestion. why not provide an option of paying the fine on credit and deducting it from whatever prize money that we receive at the end of the season?
If we fail to win anything then the player wd then come up with the full amount he owed to the so call fund?
worth considering yeah?
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eh, that's not the case meh?
i thought its rewards - fines at the end of season.....
if any prize money, also use to minus away fines mah -
But fines must pay on the spot. Rewards (if any) come at end of each leg. For THIS Team anyway.Originally posted by Player1:eh, that's not the case meh?
i thought its rewards - fines at the end of season.....
if any prize money, also use to minus away fines mah -
Yah man! I paid $2 to Cap[tain Hanzz liao! keke...for my poor performance..
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muahahhaa....i paid up 2 bucks to myself too...
Tentative Lineup for Monday 28/4
1) Kelvin Chang
2) Ng Ting Hwa
3) Loh Kwang Hong (did i get it right??
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4) Kevin Ng -
Good to know none of you actually sandbags.
I hate that. Got a teammate that actually does that. He plays for only 160 exactly and I mean exactly. It was so frustrating.
He says no fine if you get 160 or win opponent.
Gald you guys are different. -
Clown
I guess your mate must be really fortunate to get opponents that can lose to him even when he plays 180 games (160 + 20 handicap). In Classic, the average player plays about 170+, and the good ones hit 200 often. So...
The environment defines the man?
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At least he had the skill to aim exactly 160. I don't know about the others, I probably miscue here and there one... come out in the end 148 only. Or 200. Heh. Fat hope.Originally posted by clown:Good to know none of you actually sandbags.
I hate that. Got a teammate that actually does that. He plays for only 160 exactly and I mean exactly. It was so frustrating.
He says no fine if you get 160 or win opponent.
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Originally posted by chuanish:
Chuan, at the end of the season, total amount of fines are split and distributed according to the number of reward points every bowler in the team has. Meaning you can bowl a 200 game every league night and in the end accumulate 10 points...
Regarding THIS team's reward program, you have to hit above 200 [b]twice to enjoy any benefits, because anything divided by 1 is still the same? That's tough.
Suggestion for THAT team's fine system: SCRAP IT
Ok, maybe we need some motivation. Fine. Whoever averages below 150, pay chuan $1. For every pinfall. $2 if your average is higher than mine.
Makes you think twice about the first option, doesn't it? Thought so. How'd you like them apples?? That's right, SCRAP IT.[/b]