Trauma ER for sale! Spinner Ball 11.4lbs
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PT, how is the rollerbag u asking for me?
any news?
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Told you not my balls already lah. I where got use spinner balls one?Originally posted by TomaHawk^_^:
hmmmm..... Enforcer and cuda for spinner??? abit the werid lor... Prataman, got any other balls?? like storm ones? 
Anyway, I've always been under the impression that Columbia balls are very good for spinning. Just like the FlipSide WOWs that so many are using now to great effect. Track equipment are manufactured by Columbia too, you know!!!
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I kinda beg to differ on that view.... Like i said previously Columbia balls when used for spinning somehow have a funny habit of dyin out pretty quickly.... Can't seem to trust them anymore.Originally posted by prataman:Anyway, I've always been under the impression that Columbia balls are very good for spinning. Just like the FlipSide WOWs that so many are using now to great effect. Track equipment are manufactured by Columbia too, you know!!!
Storm balls are good, but don't really suit every spinner, after all.
As for Storm, it isn't perfect but NOBODY can make a ball that suits all spinners rite??
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Originally posted by VtecAddict!:
hi,
I kinda beg to differ on that view.... Like i said previously Columbia balls when used for spinning somehow have a funny habit of dyin out pretty quickly.... Can't seem to trust them anymore.
As for Storm, it isn't perfect but [b]NOBODY can make a ball that suits all spinners rite??
If there is one who can then it would HAVE to be Ebonite!! [/b]
firstly, columbia balls are not only good for heavy ball bowlers, they are also extremely versatile for spin ball bowlers. many bowlers are performing very well using columbia equipment. some of the columbia balls that are popular amongst the spinners are the Wow flipside, Icon, Reaction series, and most recently the Icon 300. From personal experience, columbia balls are very easy to control and it's easier to send the ball to where you want it to go, as compared to Storm bowling balls.
The high end storm bowling balls such as the Trauma series and past El Nino series have surfaces that bites the lane alot, due to the particles and surfaces they use to maximise the hook that heavy ball bowlers wish to attain. Therefore it's harder to control storm bowling balls. i would say that only spin ball bowlers with lesser axis tilt (which means the track of the spin on the ball is more to the top of the ball rather than to the side) are able to control the ball because the ball will flip lesser when it reaches the dry parts of the lane.
Secondly, ebonite balls are great but it's hard to get them. Also, if you guys have noticed, the american ebonite balls i.e. matrix dominator, v2 sanded, tpc warrior, dynasty etc are only available in heavy weights locally. I believe that ebonite does not produce lightweight balls(10-11lbs) from their american series of bowling balls to asia. Instead, they re-make balls for the spinner market like the Crush/R, Wolf, Black Apex etc. However, there are some american ebonite balls are you could find if you're lucky, for example the Predator.
Lastly, i would like to mention that Brunswick balls are pretty good for spin ball bowlers, especially the Proactive Zone HPH, Fuze Detonator and Danger Zone I Carbide. Those who are interested could private message me if you want to know where to get these balls.
Hope this information helps bowlers choose their equipment in future.
Oh oh, lastly, i'm selling my spin balls. Prataman might have mentioned them before but i'm listing it out anyway.
1. Cuda 2000 - $80 - Very good condition - driled once only
2. Track Enforcer - $80 - Very good condition - drilled once only -
Well.... truth is many local spinners would prefer to use balls that are specifically manufactured for spinners ie. as you have mentioned that Ebonite re-make some of their balls for the Asian market. This is true and people KNOW that. In fact they sometimes do not want to try any balls that are not specifically manufactured for the Asian market as they know that these balls are designed for the Heavy-Bowlers in mind. Just look at the history of such "Asian" balls and you can easily tell that they are some of the BEST spinners' ball ever produced!!Originally posted by kenji_urban:hi,
firstly, columbia balls are not only good for heavy ball bowlers, they are also extremely versatile for spin ball bowlers. many bowlers are performing very well using columbia equipment. some of the columbia balls that are popular amongst the spinners are the Wow flipside, Icon, Reaction series, and most recently the Icon 300. From personal experience, columbia balls are very easy to control and it's easier to send the ball to where you want it to go, as compared to Storm bowling balls.
The high end storm bowling balls such as the Trauma series and past El Nino series have surfaces that bites the lane alot, due to the particles and surfaces they use to maximise the hook that heavy ball bowlers wish to attain. Therefore it's harder to control storm bowling balls. i would say that only spin ball bowlers with lesser axis tilt (which means the track of the spin on the ball is more to the top of the ball rather than to the side) are able to control the ball because the ball will flip lesser when it reaches the dry parts of the lane.
Secondly, ebonite balls are great but it's hard to get them. Also, if you guys have noticed, the american ebonite balls i.e. matrix dominator, v2 sanded, tpc warrior, dynasty etc are only available in heavy weights locally. I believe that ebonite does not produce lightweight balls(10-11lbs) from their american series of bowling balls to asia. Instead, they re-make balls for the spinner market like the Crush/R, Wolf, Black Apex etc. However, there are some american ebonite balls are you could find if you're lucky, for example the Predator.
Lastly, i would like to mention that Brunswick balls are pretty good for spin ball bowlers, especially the Proactive Zone HPH, Fuze Detonator and Danger Zone I Carbide. Those who are interested could private message me if you want to know where to get these balls.
Hope this information helps bowlers choose their equipment in future.
Good examples are balls are Ultra-C, Legacy 7 Star, Ninja, and some of the Wolf Series that never even appear on the offical line-ups of ball manufactures!!!
It's not that i'm trying to put down certain brands but it's juz that everyone knows that balls work best for the bowler and lanes it was designed for. So why buy a ball that is meant to hook to spin when you can buy a ball DESIGNED to spin right form the beginning???
Furthermore most American balls do not have any core for balls under 12lbs while almost every "Asian" has one that actually is designed to aid spinners in trying to increase torque and revs. Thus from my humble opinon, this could be the reason why some bowlers find Columbia balls easier to control as they do not flip as much without a core.
But with everything said and done, the end of the story is that bowlers themselves have a responsibilty to survey and FIND the ball that is suitable or compliments his/her style. I never believe in blindly listening to what other people say about a particular ball and religiously expect it to do the same for my game. Know what you need and what you want from the ball. At the end of the day, it's gonna be you bowling and not the rest of the world. -
never liked anyone using brunkswick to spin. but hey, just a chao heavy ball bowler here.
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Originally posted by VtecAddict!:
Hmmm. With regard to you saying that American lightweight balls do not have a core in their bowling balls, have you actually seen taiwanese balls having a core? I personally have not seen any half ball displays of those taiwanese balls that show there is actually a core in it. I personally have spoken to a certified local coach and he stated that if you spin a spinner ball with a core in it, the track will be in a different area than where normal spinner tracks will be. Most importantly for a spinner, whether there is a core or not in it is not the main factor. The one most important factor in how you determine how the ball is going to roll is by it's surface. Do you actually go into a pro shop and ask the pro shop operator which core is going to help you get more revs and spin? That's just plain silly. No matter what level of play you are at, the pro shop operator is basically going to recommend you bowling balls based on the surface, that is for spinners.
Well.... truth is many local spinners would prefer to use balls that are specifically manufactured for spinners ie. as you have mentioned that Ebonite re-make some of their balls for the Asian market. This is true and people [b]KNOW that. In fact they sometimes do not want to try any balls that are not specifically manufactured for the Asian market as they know that these balls are designed for the Heavy-Bowlers in mind. Just look at the history of such "Asian" balls and you can easily tell that they are some of the BEST spinners' ball ever produced!!
Good examples are balls are Ultra-C, Legacy 7 Star, Ninja, and some of the Wolf Series that never even appear on the offical line-ups of ball manufactures!!!
It's not that i'm trying to put down certain brands but it's juz that everyone knows that balls work best for the bowler and lanes it was designed for. So why buy a ball that is meant to hook to spin when you can buy a ball DESIGNED to spin right form the beginning???
Furthermore most American balls do not have any core for balls under 12lbs while almost every "Asian" has one that actually is designed to aid spinners in trying to increase torque and revs. Thus from my humble opinon, this could be the reason why some bowlers find Columbia balls easier to control as they do not flip as much without a core.
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if you spin a spinner ball with a core in it, the track will be in a different area than where normal spinner tracks will be.
This is also plain silly.... just try to spin a 14lbs with conventional drilling and you will know.
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this is getting interesting.
point to note. which coach did u talk to? it makes a difference. some certified coaches i know, know nuts, and a certain ex national bowler also said something i really disagree wif. boils down to what you believe is true and whether u experimented it yourself.
anyway,
cores do make a difference no matter in which ball and whether u play hook or spin or plain throw it.
BUT, i do not note any difference in the track whether there is a core present or not. logically speaking, the core is to help the ball transit, once it GRIPS the lanes. so, before it does hold on to the lanes, how you throw it remains the same. if u play a high track, your ball remains high tracked no matter what. the only thing that changes due to the core is the flare!
do u also know that a ball can flare yet not transit?
another point from a personal view.
i play a high track hook, and i have used many balls, ranging from house balls, spinners balls ( all for fun of course) and my own bowling balls with whichever cores. all my tracks are the same. if it applies to a hook bowler, i really do not tink a spinner would have a difference.
ALSO, if a core or rather, a lack of a core makes a difference in track, it would also imply that a change of core, ie pancake to bulb or mushroom or whichever u want, would change your track. so, that implies that a low track bowler that wants to convert to a high track need only to change balls with a different core and viola! high track!
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Originally posted by Ian:
erhm... my track does differ from ball to ball... my Beast does give a higher track as compared to my, Predator and Primal Rage... i've told Samual abt it before he drill my ScreamR, and he does said (forgive me if i remembered otherwise,) it may be down to drilling...
another point from a personal view.
i play a high track hook, and i have used many balls, ranging from house balls, spinners balls ( all for fun of course) and my own bowling balls with whichever cores. all my tracks are the same. if it applies to a hook bowler, i really do not tink a spinner would have a difference.
ALSO, if a core or rather, a lack of a core makes a difference in track, it would also imply that a change of core, ie pancake to bulb or mushroom or whichever u want, would change your track. [b]so, that implies that a low track bowler that wants to convert to a high track need only to change balls with a different core and viola! high track!
this i doubt is the case.
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so if that's the case, the change in track may be due to the pitch, or whatsoever... (not very good at technical terms, opps!) -
mine too.
my track for the shockzone pro is higher, as compared to the complete chaos.
i dunno why, but i thought it was because of the drilling for both balls, put more weight on the side of one ball, thus the difference. Which would mean that the core and how u drill ard the core, apart from release and revs, will decide the track?
Anyway, my track for shoczone pro is not only higher, it isn't as nice as the CC in that, u do not see rings that spiral across. i get messier rings that just runs ard the ball...pretty weird... -
let me put things straight.
the messier things P1 said. its the FLARE. as for jae, its also mostly the same thing. except! that for each of the balls you mentioned, the drilling is slightly different. check your drill specs jae. there is a timing difference in the releases for your balls. the later your release, the higher your track tends to get.
the different drillings may make you confused about the track as the ball may tend to flare more or less but if u take your PAP, the PAP will stay the same, proves the no change track theory. when there is a difference, the weight of the ball may be the cause.
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oh shoot...yeah the flare.
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like barcodes...
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like barcodes spiralling in a kaleidoscope pattern...
the normal ones that should be on the ball lah
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Originally posted by Player1:oh shoot...yeah the flare.
my shockzone goes a little like this..|||| /
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like barcodes...
my CC goes alittle like this...////
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like barcodes spiralling in a kaleidoscope pattern...
the normal ones that should be on the ball lah
weird?
like that also can illustrate ah... clap clap
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WOAH!!!!Originally posted by Player1:oh shoot...yeah the flare.
my shockzone goes a little like this..|||| /
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like barcodes...
my CC goes alittle like this...////
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like barcodes spiralling in a kaleidoscope pattern...
the normal ones that should be on the ball lah
weird?
A perfect 10 for effort and committment manz!!! -
spin spin spin spin spin it around...... spin spin
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hi, i 2day just become a member of sggirl. n i'm a spinner who bowl for 2yrs+ liao, just wanna ask u tat yr truma er never been plug b4 mehz ??? n never been used it by any1 ...Originally posted by Power Torq:Yo! Spinner ball Trauma ER for sale. 11.4lbs - $120 Contact me at 96988410. Cheers!
cos i quite interested on storm ball, cos i wanna try it ...
n hope u can let me knw a.s.a.p. thanks ........
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ok ok, sggirls. So
Got discount meh PT -
Discount if ssgirls?? No iei>