Pls advice: best way to put tracer dot on ball
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Presently I paste round sticker on my ball as tracer. Heard that this is illegal in competition. Someone advice that the best way is to use a type of chemical to etch a dot on the ball. Can any expert spinner advice me what is the best way to place a tracer please?
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the question is...y need a tracer?
anyway, to answer you, there is no 'legal' way to put a tracer in competitions.
some pple have tried niching a hole in the ball and filled it wif colored resin to act as a tracer, but i personally find it ridiculous.
the method u described, ie; chemical on ball, is also illegal. there is to be no foreign substances on the ball while bowling.
maybe harmyzuay would get that legit parts corrected for me. -
Thks so much for your reply. Was tempted to put tracer after seeing Wu Fu Long's ball spinning in action on TV. His Ninja Fury ball does have 2 tracers when he played to win the Taiwan Tour 1999. How did he put tracers on while keeping his ball legal for the tour is my question now? I was told by a Spinning Champion, okay it was YC Ma again that the only legal way is to use a type of chemical to etch the tracer mark as stickers are definitely not legal. Hope to get more advice again.Originally posted by Ian:the question is...y need a tracer?
anyway, to answer you, there is no 'legal' way to put a tracer in competitions.
some pple have tried niching a hole in the ball and filled it wif colored resin to act as a tracer, but i personally find it ridiculous.
the method u described, ie; chemical on ball, is also illegal. there is to be no foreign substances on the ball while bowling.
maybe harmyzuay would get that legit parts corrected for me. -
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It is not legal to mark one's ball with anything during tourneys sanctioned by world tenpin bowling rules. Heavy ball bowlers too have to remove any sort of tapes they place on the outside of the ball to observe ball reaction.
The reason markers are allowed in the ABT is because the ABT is not governed by the full set of rules. If they were, the taiwanese spinners would be disqualified for using scotchbrite pads to scuff their balls during matchplay.
As for the full set of rules, I think Jae has a book. Or we can just search on the web. -
to me, tracers are redundant. if u wan, put them during training, but take them out after that. if u can read lanes well enuff, u wun need the tracers.
also, no point using tracers to read lanes if u do not have any form of consistancy.
the best way to read a lane( to me) is to throw 2 shots. one your normal A line, then, ur B line. both these 2 lines should be covering different areas of lane. eg: my A line covers from 15 to 5 boards. my B line covers from 35 to 10 boards. ( different balls)
if u know your ball reactions well enuff, u will roughly know wat type of lanes u are dealing wif.
another way is to look at ur opponents or teammates throw and gague from there how their ball is reacting. -
Oh, I see. Thanks for the info.Originally posted by harmzuay:It is not legal to mark one's ball with anything during tourneys sanctioned by world tenpin bowling rules. Heavy ball bowlers too have to remove any sort of tapes they place on the outside of the ball to observe ball reaction.
The reason markers are allowed in the ABT is because the ABT is not governed by the full set of rules. If they were, the taiwanese spinners would be disqualified for using scotchbrite pads to scuff their balls during matchplay.
As for the full set of rules, I think Jae has a book. Or we can just search on the web. -
What is scotch pad?
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You know the green (can be other colour) pad that sometimes you use to scrub kitchen utensils, sink, etc? The rough rough type of pad, a bit wiry wiry type. People do use that to alter ball surface. To roughen it up, normally. They use the term "scuff".Originally posted by Asiaspin:What is scotch pad?
During the ABT in one of the legs, I can't remember which one, the taiwanese spinner (I think was Hsieh Yu Ping) "hid" a pad in his cloth to scrub it during match play to alter the ball surface! He eventually won, but the opposition player complained about it, rightly so. However, the result stood. -
wow... reallyOriginally posted by prataman:You know the green (can be other colour) pad that sometimes you use to scrub kitchen utensils, sink, etc? The rough rough type of pad, a bit wiry wiry type. People do use that to alter ball surface. To roughen it up, normally. They use the term "scuff".
During the ABT in one of the legs, I can't remember which one, the taiwanese spinner (I think was Hsieh Yu Ping) "hid" a pad in his cloth to scrub it during match play to alter the ball surface! He eventually won, but the opposition player complained about it, rightly so. However, the result stood. so underhand 
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Interesting info, prataman, thnks. Pardon me for my ignorance. By roughening the contact surface of the ball, Does it make the ball back up more for TaiPei spinner shot? I notice for that particular spinner you mentioned, his ball does backed up a lot in the Malaysia leg, a title he sucessfully defended. Is it legal to have 3 spinners ball roughening to various degree during competition so that the spinner need not do the roughening at the time of competing?Originally posted by prataman:You know the green (can be other colour) pad that sometimes you use to scrub kitchen utensils, sink, etc? The rough rough type of pad, a bit wiry wiry type. People do use that to alter ball surface. To roughen it up, normally. They use the term "scuff".
During the ABT in one of the legs, I can't remember which one, the taiwanese spinner (I think was Hsieh Yu Ping) "hid" a pad in his cloth to scrub it during match play to alter the ball surface! He eventually won, but the opposition player complained about it, rightly so. However, the result stood. -
Correct me if I'm wrong. What I know is one can have several balls with different degree of roughness for tourys, BUT players are not allowed to alter the surface of the balls during the games. They can only do it before or after.
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Players can shine their ball anyway they please, but they cannot dull the surface at all during the course of any game.
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Why dull the ball during the game anyway?
Even when lane conditions are too oily, most pros can change release, or line adjustment don't they?
All in all, a spinner would prefer oily lanes right?
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from wat i know, even spinners need that grip on the lanes that causes the backup or tiny hook. it brings more pin action than just simply whacking the ball straight into the pocket. if it is too oily, and the ball doesnt grip, the common pin that stands is the pin 5, bcoz the ball simply deflects away from the pin after hitting either the 1-2 or 1-3.
to illustrate this, tink of your sleeper pins, righties pins 3 and 9 lefties pin 2 and 8. if u play hook, and you send the ball abit too far out, and it comes back weak, u will manage only the front pin. the rear pin will just stand there and laugh, bcoz the ball juz wun grip and carry on to pick up the rear pin.imagine that to be pin 1 and 5, now add and extra pin 2 or 3 ( depending on which pocket) same logic applies. and now there is an extra pin to contend wif.
comprehendo?
ps: sick wif fever so dunnoe if i even make sense here... -
take panadol lah...
my head is still spinning from that shock sudden test during consultation class just now. Open book test, but i happen to leave my notes at home...
Turned in a piece of junk with nonsense scribbled all over and a short sentence saying "I didn't bring my notes...cannot refer..."
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Take care dude & drink more fluidOriginally posted by Ian:from wat i know, even spinners need that grip on the lanes that causes the backup or tiny hook. it brings more pin action than just simply whacking the ball straight into the pocket. if it is too oily, and the ball doesnt grip, the common pin that stands is the pin 5, bcoz the ball simply deflects away from the pin after hitting either the 1-2 or 1-3.
to illustrate this, tink of your sleeper pins, righties pins 3 and 9 lefties pin 2 and 8. if u play hook, and you send the ball abit too far out, and it comes back weak, u will manage only the front pin. the rear pin will just stand there and laugh, bcoz the ball juz wun grip and carry on to pick up the rear pin.imagine that to be pin 1 and 5, now add and extra pin 2 or 3 ( depending on which pocket) same logic applies. and now there is an extra pin to contend wif.
comprehendo?
ps: sick wif fever so dunnoe if i even make sense here...
Me kinda sick too... diarrhoea -
I think spinners are advantageous on oily lane but even better if the lane conditions are bad. I read that Tseng Su Feng won her AMF world title in Egypt where the lanes were bulit on the open desert facing the Spinx. Winds blow the sand on the lanes all the time and make the lanes unpredictable. For spinners, lanes condition affect them lesser, they can get more consistent scores throughout. But for hook players, they have a much greater problem to deal with.Originally posted by Player1:Why dull the ball during the game anyway?
Even when lane conditions are too oily, most pros can change release, or line adjustment don't they?
All in all, a spinner would prefer oily lanes right?
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woah... would like to witness this egyptian bowling alley for myself
Maybe have a few games there while I'm at it
I agree that spinners(compared to Hook bowlers) will have a higher score on badly maintained lanes. -
I think everyone will agree that light ball spinners hold the advantage over heavy ball players in tight game series or matchplay format. In other words, in a straight shootout a spinner would have the advantage because a heavy ball player needs longer to find a line if there isn't one ready for them.
Of course, this is dependent on many factors. But the general concensus is that spinners are very capable of high games, but even the best ones average about 220. Heavy ball bowlers play with a larger range of scores (i.e., lower low games and higher high games) but can average better over time, in the 240 region.
Btw, it's sad... but Miss Tseng Su Feng has taken her own life last year. There was a tribute to her on the ABT grandslam finals. -
Sorry but the desert lanes were built just for the step ladder and dismantle shortly after the matches. Yeah in bad lanes, that's where the Taipei spinner style was developed. So in bad lanes the Taipei spinners will rule.Originally posted by Ding:woah... would like to witness this egyptian bowling alley for myself Maybe have a few games there while I'm at it
I agree that spinners(compared to Hook bowlers) will have a higher score on badly maintained lanes. -
Originally posted by harmzuay:
One of the most graceful and cool spinner ever produced. Her whole delivery look so perfect. It was commented by her team mate, Chou Meow Lin that Tseng although talented put in a lot of effort to reach where she was in bowling. Chou, said of Tseng, "she will practice and practice even though her stamina may not allow her long training session. So, who say bowing or spinner is easy, but with practice we can all be at least quite good.
[Btw, it's sad... but Miss Tseng Su Feng has taken her own life last year. There was a tribute to her on the ABT grandslam finals.[/b] -
Sorry off track but I would like to ask how and why she die
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Commited suicide over a guy.
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She leaped to her death from 3rd floor, her rented flat. It was reported that she was played out by a married middle aged man. This man was questioned by the police but released after questioning. Sad hor?