Question for Mage
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HI.. just referring to your reply.. why issit dat the tomahawk is a good choice for spinners? Does it have to do with the core? the coverstock? wat makes it stand out? and as compared to lets say a polyester ball, wats the difference when it meets the pins?
hee.. sorry i ask so much.. just find it all very interesting.. -
I'm kinda curious myself, actually.
Always see spinners going around looking for Tomahawks, Crush/Rs, Ninja Furies....
What's with the coverstocks?
Can't be the core, given the weight... or can it? -
Basically, its part core and part coverstock....
Yah yah.. i noe.. light weight means no core...
Its actually more to do with the pin placement and the reaction of its cover stock, spinner balls are generally expected to spin on its boottom and then filp slightly when it reaches the pins or the backend....
(so dun say spinner got nothing to consider about the oiling, cos if the lanes are too oily, spinner balls will go flat in the pocket and if too dry, ur ball will flip too early leaving little or no power at the end and u'll have to depend on pin action only.)
These balls are made in such a way that there is very little or no top weight on the ball, which allows it to spin smoothly and correctly, which those balls i mentioned are good at. Try using a light weight hook ball with 3oz top weight and see wat happens! Its will spin for the first half of the lane then when reaching the backend it;ll flip like crazy and end up rolling into the pocket!
Volia!! You are playing an 11lbs, weak sissy hook ball
. Meaning like people who top the ball alot... so far thats all i can think of, will update further if i can remember. Spinner actually have lots of techincal things too leh! just that it looks easier 
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Hmm!
I don't doubt you. I don't doubt the fact a spinner has a few technical matters to worry about rather than just spinning it plenty and launching it straight.
That makes a lot of sense. A ball with excessive top weight would really "wobble" when it makes its way down the lane, wouldn't it?
About the pin placements....... now that part I'm not so sure. With a 3 piece core, does the pin placement really play a big part? I would have thought the CG would play a bigger role. Normally (this is only from what I see) I see a spinner use a pin-in ball (CG very close to pin) and both of these are more or less in the center of grip. -
hmmm....
Those are the light weight hook balls with little or no top weight ones or rather drilled that way to reduce it also..
But for most spinners, the pin placement is normally at the bottom of the ball and the CG is somewhere in the centre of the grip lor...
Let u see my Tomahawk and Trauma Er(Seems to be limited edition for these series to have the pin at the bottom, guess i was lucky! Referring to the Trauma Er) On the next league dae... -
It is very, very rare to find a 10lb or 11lb ball with a full 3 ounces of top weight because the top weight is proportional to the weight of the ball.
That is why there are very few low top weight 15lb balls out there.
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oh dear.. i'm a newbie leh.. dun use so much technical terms leh... at least explain abit lah...
wats the pin? u mean theres a pin in the ball? and wats CG? center of gravity ah??
i've seen some balls dat travel at a normal speed.. then when it hits the pins.. BANG! the result is explosive.. wat causes this?
lastly, for spinners.. when do u spin the ball? issit at the last moment b4 u release the ball or earlier? -
Oh.. yah.. forgot to add wats top weight, side weight and stuff like that?
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lemme guess...the pin is that particular dot on the ball which shows the weight block of the ball and its axis...so that you can drill the ball depending on the hook u want, or the characteristics you wanna play?Originally posted by solitary:oh dear.. i'm a newbie leh.. dun use so much technical terms leh... at least explain abit lah...
wats the pin? u mean theres a pin in the ball? and wats CG? center of gravity ah??
i've seen some balls dat travel at a normal speed.. then when it hits the pins.. BANG! the result is explosive.. wat causes this?
lastly, for spinners.. when do u spin the ball? issit at the last moment b4 u release the ball or earlier?
the balls travel at normal speed, then bang? probably its the backend, the sudden snap frm its origin into the angular entry that causes this. or the hardness of the ball....
top weight, side weight...err, i think its additional weight just below the coverstock.
duh...i dun really know. Just whack the answers only....am I rite? -
Basically for spinner release there are several types.
1)Finger push
2)Thumb Push
3)All fingers at same time release, using the speed generated by the down swing.
Spinners timing release in seperated into two main school of tots.
1) Release at the ankle(same as hook).
2) Release outside the ankle, something like throwing it at the arrow. (Some people have managed to master and make ot look good. E.g Roger Tuar)
Have Fun and enjoy the GAme!! -
Barring all exceptions, I this week will kena 4D for Sat and Sun, Then Kena TOTO also.... Sigh......Originally posted by harmzuay:It is very, very rare to find a 10lb or 11lb ball with a full 3 ounces of top weight because the top weight is proportional to the weight of the ball.
That is why there are very few low top weight 15lb balls out there.
All this is barring exceptions, of course. -
Solitary
First of all, Player1 got it half correct about the pin - it shows where the weightblock is. More specifically, it shows the top of the weightblock of a ball. You always see the cross-section of a ball in advertisement posters taht show the core of the ball. The pin is simply a mark on the surface of the ball to indicate that that is the top of the core, and hence how the core is positioned inside. This knowledge is important to drilling it properly.
The pin is the dot that is differently coloured from the coverstock of the ball. It is usually around the manufacturer logo area and around the finger holes (to the right for righties and vice-versa).
The CG is the centre of gravity. Well done.
P1 was correct again about the top and side weights being just under the cover of the ball. These are imbalances of the left/right or top/bottom of the ball after positioning the core when drilling. For instance, if you had a see-saw with two persons on each end. One of them is heavier. The see-saw would now have "side-weight". That's a very, very simple view of it.
If you want more detailed explanations, check the ball manufacturer websites like ebonite.com or columbia300.com. They have good technical sections. -
wahahaaOriginally posted by Mage^_^:Barring all exceptions, I this week will kena 4D for Sat and Sun, Then Kena TOTO also.... Sigh......
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