Originally posted by Poolman:If i were MVP , i will put $1000 on the table , take it or leave , or they want to chose to contest ?
I never actually got my deposit back... This one they acted blur... Guess I should go after them too?
I'm just very disturbed that on the part abt putting a over $10K amt on a repair cost claiming it's my negligent which is very arguable and definitely worth fighting for...
If a civil case were to follow, I'll take them on. If I were to loose the case, then paying up will be my next worry.
As for now, I just need to know my rights at this stage and so as not be bullied.
That's all.
I will be continuing posting any updates/ stunts they do in this thread...
Originally posted by Onewaytransfer:Unless you required a answer to”escape”this mess, than sorry, I could not provide you any help.
Hi OWT,
The word should be "avoid" or "clear" and not "escape" as you have mentioned.
Pls don't throw stones when someone fell into the well... And hope you won't be in my situation one day...
First, all vehicles in singapore need an insurance inorder to be on the road, any accidents of whoever is right or wrong will be covered on the car, even if the whole car got missing. Be it 1st or 3rd parties, the car is sure to be insured, unless you are those pirate garang type.
A taxi got into an accident is an accident, neglience or pure accidental is not the issue, the excess of $2140 is covered, and that why you need a deposit of 2k+ by most companies.
Therefore, I do not see why you are still oweing them 10K???? Unless there is a different story from what you posted.
My assumption will be that, first, the insurance company is still investigating the case and had yet to pay up to the taxi company, so, the company being garang abit, chase after you with their buster agent contracted.
2nd, the insurance would had paid up thru the car repair workshop, but the taxi company still want to maximise their cost for the lost hours, depreciation and so on to their asset, and therefore hope that by pressuring you thru their unprofessional credit collector, they can get back some ROI.
@TS, I'm so sorry if my wording cause you some distress.
This thread will interest me due to the fact that a taxi company was chasing a poor TD for 10 over thousand of damages due to negligence? Which I never encounter and heard before.
So far in our history, no taxi drivers been file bankruptcy by a taxi company, correct me if I'm wrong.
So maybe bro Bowah can address your concern more clearly than I do.
With minimum detail on your thread, is as good as making us guess, so if you can't accept things that we guess, so be it.
Anyway, wish you good luck again, will still pursue your encounter closely and quite interested to know the outcome.
Originally posted by bowah:First, all vehicles in singapore need an insurance inorder to be on the road, any accidents of whoever is right or wrong will be covered on the car, even if the whole car got missing. Be it 1st or 3rd parties, the car is sure to be insured, unless you are those pirate garang type.
A taxi got into an accident is an accident, neglience or pure accidental is not the issue, the excess of $2140 is covered, and that why you need a deposit of 2k+ by most companies.
Therefore, I do not see why you are still oweing them 10K???? Unless there is a different story from what you posted.
My assumption will be that, first, the insurance company is still investigating the case and had yet to pay up to the taxi company, so, the company being garang abit, chase after you with their buster agent contracted.
2nd, the insurance would had paid up thru the car repair workshop, but the taxi company still want to maximise their cost for the lost hours, depreciation and so on to their asset, and therefore hope that by pressuring you thru their unprofessional credit collector, they can get back some ROI.
What talking you? He already said engine overheat...what insurance?
What i received from the intial post was all programming words, so did not look into it. Sorry
Engine overheating, cabby paid??? just out of workshop for 2 days, engine overheated???cabby paid? So if tyre worn, tachometer spoil, battery gone, etc etc, cabby paid?? This is daylight robbery.
Space Ssangyong MPV taxis engine overheat?
Never check coolant and top up if necessary?
Originally posted by Mvp30sg:I'm just very disturbed that on the part abt putting a over $10K amt on a repair cost claiming it's my negligent which is very arguable and definitely worth fighting for...
If a civil case were to follow, I'll take them on. If I were to loose the case, then paying up will be my next worry.
As for now, I just need to know my rights at this stage and so as not be bullied.
That's all.
I will be continuing posting any updates/ stunts they do in this thread...
Would suggest you call them and negiotate nicely a bit. What court case? End up if you lose, you have to LL pay legal costs and the expensive repair bills.
Usually for engine overheat, the engine overheat warning light will be on and the engine must be stopped IMMEDIATELY! Then wait for engine to cool down, try to top up some water and then crawl back to workshop with eyes constantly on the lookout for the warning light en route.
Further, the onus is on the user (driver) to prove that he had taken due care and not cause the overheat in the first place.
My previous crown's engine also overheated without my knowledge (warning light did not come on) and had to be overhauled. Partly my fault not checking engine for coolant level and oil leak regularly and relying too much on the warning light.
Luckily the overheat was caused by a blown cylinder head gasket. Engine totally without lubricating oil! CDG mech quickly helped me top up some water and I was not required to pay for the repair (easily thousands)!
Taxis belong to who???
Now with no insurance, company go after the maker of the car, but long overdue, company go after the mechanic who service it, mechanic can just resign, so company looks for who for this accrued debt liabilities, Taxi driver?? why not the management who bought and invest in such a vehicle to be taken as a bad decision, why not the company as a whole did a wrong move in investing on such a vehicle and now desparately looking for return of investment.
TS had all the servicing logs and time of driving, should countersue them back.
And if TS is going to paid for it, the history of TD is going to change for Singapore
If warning did not come out or that the meter stay at 1/3 and above the mid way as usual case, isn't it the meter faulty. TS had sent his cab in and out of service a few times, it is not that he did not notice something is wrong and careless about it, by going into kim chuan for servicing, it show his care for the cab, his rice bowl. If the service center allow it to be OTR, what fault does TS lies???
Originally posted by bowah:Taxis belong to who???
Now with no insurance, company go after the maker of the car, but long overdue, company go after the mechanic who service it, mechanic can just resign, so company looks for who for this accrued debt liabilities, Taxi driver?? why not the management who bought and invest in such a vehicle to be taken as a bad decision, why not the company as a whole did a wrong move in investing on such a vehicle and now desparately looking for return of investment.
TS had all the servicing logs and time of driving, should countersue them back.
And if TS is going to paid for it, the history of TD is going to change for Singapore
Taxis belong to Taxi Companies.
TD loan them from Taxi Companies and pay Taxi Companies daily rental.
The taxi is now in the TD's hand and TD has to take care of the Taxi like his own car, including checking the engine oil and coolant daily.
Any coolant leak or engine oil leak can lead to engine overheat.
If TD never check, then it it is TD's fault.
I drive sonata, temperature shoot up as the temp indicator shown, stopped immediately and call for towing, vehicle went to pandan, checked radiator got cooling water, end up radiator thermostat spoil, changed and drive all the way no problem without paying a single cents.
Taxis driver are layman, not specialist or mechanics, even if I daily check my water level, oil level, gear oil etc etc, half way breakdown due to internal engine problem, from pistons to liners to electrical, how on earth TD will know? We have to justify what we are paying.
Recently drive casket van to a void deck for a chinese funneral, half way, the generator break down, owner call the generator company and ask for replacement, generator company quickly replaced it before the nite arrive, apologised to owner and also give discount for the inconviences caused, generator was rented out by owner
Originally posted by bowah:Taxis driver are layman, not specialist or mechanics, even if I daily check my water level, oil level, gear oil etc etc, half way breakdown due to internal engine problem, from pistons to liners to electrical, how on earth TD will know? We have to justify what we are paying.
Recently drive casket van to a void deck for a chinese funneral, half way, the generator break down, owner call the generator company and ask for replacement, generator company quickly replaced it before the nite arrive, apologised to owner and also give discount for the inconviences caused, generator was rented out by owner
TS never said how it happened, so we are all guessing how it happened.
But base on the servicing records, it is not cabby negligence, for nothing, who want to keep going into servicing and waste time??? TS is trying to solve the problem, whereever there is a temp rising, a mechanic will check all liquid levels and leakage, thermostat, the cooling channels (for choking) and the electrical box fuses the exhaust channel, the catalyst pipe and the engine sound, once sound is out of scope, most likely an internal crack had happen, this can be cause by previous accident or impact, and from prolong driving, it had reach it limitation and the crack open up leading to debris in combustion damaging the piston, spindles and liner.
The liner is the one that determine you vehicle CC, from 1.8 to 2.0 cc.
The heart of the engine is the crankshaft, once crack, good luck
Taxi company should have been more fair and tried to discuss the issue with TS. Instead of pushing all the blame and driving up the cost of repair on him.
Repair can cost over 10k ah? Got any outside assessor to look at it, or just their own workshop costs, which include brand new parts, worker charge etc?
Got take into account wear and tear, whether previous repairs was done proeprly? Can suka suka charge brand new?
The court doesn't work that way. The court if it ever goes there, will look at all this issue. Even if got contract, the court won't necessarily accept. An unfair contract will not be given much weight. Did the company take steps to educate it's driver, did it conduct proper training for its mechanics? Were repairs done were sufficient? Were repair costs kept to a minimum? Were additional unfair charges laid in? In non accidental damage, what is the liability of a driver? What percenatge of blame?
Got a lot of factors one. This is not like you owe singtel for use of your phone and refuse to pay. There's a wear and tear issue and a liability issue. Cannot be driver is 100% liable. You rent a car and the car breaks down, will you pay the rental company all the repair charge? Which normal layman will agree?
Worse case is that this case will go to abritration and the Tribunal will acccess liability and propose a % of liability. Even then both parties can choose contest it.
That's why the company after so many years never straight away sue in court, they trying other means to 'hung' driver and recover costs. Anyway all companies have write off account. The cab wasn't written off and was subsequently re-rented out. Cost of repair would have been easily recouped.
I don't know TS drove for which company, and also don't want to know.
In Comfort, yes, there's this thing call negligence, but not amount to 10 over thousands dollars, knn, they buy insurance for what?
Is a very "small" token to punish you for not taking care of the taxi. How much? Go and ask around.
So I throw back this question and answer again, in taxi industries, nobody was being sue bankruptcy by any of the taxi companies before. The only chances you will owe company by thousands is arrear of rental and accident access which won't amount to more than 5k.
If really the arrear amount more than 5k, something is very wrong on the company itself.
Taxi company also got no right to private summon you, so for TS, you had to be honest to us from the day things happen until today, than we can so call help you to "avoid" or "clear" the mess.
this case about bankruptcy ?????????????
it only mentioned something , - a call saying this and that. TS never came across so not sure about , post here (asking for help) if anyone has knowledge on this kind of encounter....
Originally posted by Angwk7118:this case about bankruptcy ?????????????
it only mentioned something , - a call saying this and that. TS never came across so not sure about , post here (asking for help) if anyone has knowledge on this kind of encounter....
TS want to "avoid" or "clear" the mess.
TS say amount claim was 10 over thousands.
Legal advise to TS, will lead to bankruptcy.
TS still looking for more genuine advice, which I also clueless on the whole issue.
I need to say I'm really touched by all our fellow TDs that came into my thread and commented, but pls do not start to quarel and leave any bad feeling among each other. Afterall, everyone is trying to help me to the best of their knowledge/ experience.
I posted for advice/ help here, becos I need to know about the procedures one need to do to sue someone, what they can or cannot do. What will happen if I file for bankruptcy, how long will it take to write off, and things I can't do as a bankrupt.
I'm not here to discuss about whether I'm right or at fault for the negligence part on over-heating and did it directly cause the engine to be damaged and is the cost of repair justifyable. The only way is to let the court decide on the amount if me and the taxi co. does not come to a agreement. Not me, not the taxi co. and definitely not anyone here..
After all the private messages from some forumers, I finally got a better picture. because out of no where got stunt by that caller claiming to be the court and going to freeze my a/c and asset.
Then lastly, if I cannot afford to pay up, bankruptcy will be one option.
A bankrupt has a miserable life. My sis was one but discharged.
Cannot hv bank account, mobile phone and need permission (hard to get) from OA (official assignee) to travel. Credit rating rock bottom. Further some cab company dun accept undischarged bankrupt.
Must make effort to repay at least part of debt in order to get discharged.
Talking to the cab company, is I feel, still the best option. Offer to pay what you can (just try, offer a little bit) by installment.
Good luck!
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Hi Bro Mvp30sg,
You can seek legal advices from above free
Nobody can be charge bankrupt without a proceeding that fully determine that you owe others a sustaintial credit (money) and that you admit that you are at fault and unable to service the credit at the moment.
When I rent out my flat to a couple from malaysia, after a few days, they told me my front gate and 1 toilet tap were damaged, I went to have a look, knock knock and fix fix here and there, then off to drive my casket van. A few days later, this good couple told me one of the gate collapsed, now no gate, just the door. I went back at nite after driving to take a look, knn, the hinges really give way, poor workmanship.
The next day, I go around looking for repairer and end up, having to fork out $350 for a simple cheap new gate including fitting at Sye alwi road, so I take it. Am I going to ask the tenant to pay for it???
definitely playing chicken with you.
contracted co will try squeeze $ from you. Whatever you give they happy cause they most likely eat 60-70% of the $ as payment. They don't receive any payment from co for taking this case.
Our court no call you, its just bluffing.
Unlikelyhood cheong to court. but if do, just point to their servicing which is always dragged out.
renting from same rail co as you did. my sampan every month since day 1 get 1 clutch failure, must tow back guaranteed. can't give back cause 6 month contract.
so wait for accident to happen if clutch fail at high speed. hold onto repair sheets to protect onself. its good if you still hold on the sheets, if not don't matter much.
like somebody else say, judge see contract will see its biased and whatever doubts you raise will be seen favourably, if it ever goes tat way.
but seriously, until now never see taxi co sue td. think what that will do to their reputation?
look at smart and prime. fucked up until now because of what they did, no good td wants to go to them.