Should i terminate relief?
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hammer now stay at thomas liao?
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Originally posted by ALN:
hammer now stay at thomas liao?
hammer now downgrade to my own HDB due to some family problem
But hor never been so happy since I move out.
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Originally posted by Khoon2580:
why so complicated one?
khoon n ck late late lor... still go Q buy 4D together... drink kopi together...
want start earlier coz got lobang or can start later coz want idle... juz let each other know...
day shift repair... but due to ck trained in auto mechanics... simple simple fault... he trouble shoot... khoon sit there talk cock with him...
nite shift wash car... but sometimes need to rush handover coz town piang or got advanced... den forgo the wash... khoon do it later in the day...
like tat lor...
eh ck also ITE mechanic trainned?? me also but F lar let company do
me can idle at hm haha~~~~
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Relationship between Hirer and Relief not so simple like Relationship between Taxi Co. and Hirer.
Taxi Co. and Hirer got all the conditions laid down. You step out of line, they shoot you. They say "A", you "A"; they say "B", you "B". You want to Sia Lan with them, you have to think of your deposit.
Hirer and Relief partnership, most of the time only a few conditions or conditions not clear. And when partner got problems, got to know how to do people (choa laang, close one eye and give way) Or when shit happens, have to deviate from conditions or prepare for end of partnership. If behave like Taxi Co and hirer, for sure the partnership will not last.
Very difficult to find good partners. A good partner is one who do not think about you handover late, but thinking maybe you got problems. But the other party must prove himself to be good partner too.
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Many many years ago, I started a small machine shop with 2 friends. Very good friends. Six months down the road, always quarrel. Another 3 months split, No more good friends.
Partnership and being friends not the same.
Also around the same time, set up another Co. Partnership lasted for some time until one of us got to tend to other plans. Why can last so long? Becasue we always thinking for the good of the other party.
Everywhere same..
1. Must trust each other. If no trust, wait for partnership end.
2. Must think of the good of each other. If not, wait for partnership end.
3. Must have good financial arrangements (Rental pricing). If not, wait for partnership end.
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It is always hard to find perfect partnerships.....
Never be too calculative... Be "chin chye"
Never want to take relief / hirer for a ride....
Understanding and communication is very important...
Talking is alway easy. Executing needs effort.
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Bri ALws,
He didn't wash the car for 2 weeks. He is trying to hint subtly that he is not interesting to be your partner anymore.
Just give him a call, thank him for being a good mentor to you in the past few months. tell him you got a new relief, and move on.
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Ya cannot be calculative all the time lah. Give and take loh. For me I like OMO not because I dun like to have any conflicts with others. And also the freedom no need think what time handover and the hassle of it. Most hirer are very knn one. Only a few good ones around. I am lucky to have a nice hirer to start with because I only can drive 15 days a month and my schedule is very erratic. He let me practice driving by letting me taking over the midnight shift due to health problems as doctor advise him to rest more. I have the phobia of driving a taxi in the beginning. If he had not given me the chance to start I will still be stuck in my old job now. But we have to part company only after a few months as his health taken a turn for the worst. During those few months I manage to gain confident to becoming an OMO.
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Originally posted by hammerhammer8888:
Ya cannot be calculative all the time lah. Give and take loh. For me I like OMO not because I dun like to have any conflicts with others. And also the freedom no need think what time handover and the hassle of it. Most hirer are very knn one. Only a few good ones around. I am lucky to have a nice hirer to start with because I only can drive 15 days a month and my schedule is very erratic. He let me practice driving by letting me taking over the midnight shift due to health problems as doctor advise him to rest more. I have the phobia of driving a taxi in the beginning. If he had not given me the chance to start I will still be stuck in my old job now. But we have to part company only after a few months as his health taken a turn for the worst. During those few months I manage to gain confident to becoming an OMO.
getting a understanding partner is very important and very lucky
Surely, one have to give more than the other.... If the other never gives, always take... then it is only one way traffic... no good for a working relationship.
Both must be having the same frequency as you guys tend to see each other regularly (upon shift changing). Communication comes in and solve the unhappiness.
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However, communication can also end up more worst if bad communication is involved. To be frank, all of us are earning a living of more or less of the same trade, relationship alway start with a good bang, then come the storm where differences become apparent, that is the time to determine if you want to carry on the relationship.
Once you are able to overcome the storming period, the spring comes along, both would had a good understanding of each other habituals and style, learnt to live with it and move on happily. To break it into pts
Relationship works in such a way
1. Introduction (lots of smiling and good gesture, courtesy and polite)
2. Storm brewing (found out each other faults and bad habits)
3. Storming (engage in unpleasant words of exchange, shown of dislike thru words and action, showing true color of each other, ego and pride take stage, most dangerous stage in relationship)
4. After the storm, clear weather, nice and cooling effect like spring with rainbow (this only happen if both are able to overcome the storm, if not, the relationship would had stopped at the storming period)
5. Consolidating period, each do some soul searching themselves, change to suit each other in the best possible way
6. Happily move on.
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It's very true what Bowah has said, but sometimes there must also be an ending.
I drove for my hirer for 2 years, the last year hoping he will be less calculative, but it doesn't seem to change. Sure he got help me like yourself, but I also got help him.
But when he finally 'put the straw that broke the camel's back'. I decided enough must be enough and quit. No use driving everyday thinking of how you wanna quit or how to fire the guy. Everyday your stress or frustration increase. Your conscience is clear, you never do anything wrong to him, why must you be the one with the pressure?
He cannot turn around and say you fucked up, if he do you have all the evidence and right to f him back.
As a relief it's easier, just return key and game is over, but maybe as hirer you must ask him to return key, and hope he don't do monkey tricks, but remember always that you are not the owner, the taxi company is, if he do something silly, he is the one they'll go after.
My advice is:
a) You just tell him to return key immediately.
b) You give him 3-7 days notice, you can give some excuse, say your brother just got license and you'll be sharing with him instead, sorry but bo pian.
c) You tell him you're returning the cab, you got other lobang and will quit in a few days. If later he find out you still drive and f you, then you f back and say why you stop him. Most will not bother, this is part and parcel of Tdriving as a relief, hirers come and go, so most probably he'll move on.
d) Or tell the company that you want to stop him, they will contact him and ask him to return the key to them. If he doesn't. They will also tell him not to drive anymore because if he does, he will lose his license and be refered to the police.
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Some hirers who thrown me out, end up met them on the road, wanted me back, saying that their other reliefs are all like seibei jialat,
.So as a new hirer, it is also good to learn to terminate some reliefs, learn how to terminate them and then, find others. From here, you can at least compare all the bad apples.
It part of a taxi trade if you as a hirer need a relief unless you can OMO all the way.
Same goes to we relief, need to drive for a few hirer than can know who is taiko, who is smiling buddha, and who is act pig eat tiger type
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partnership is not a simple matter
for party to work well together, some rule and regulation still need to spell out.
of course you can't spell out everything, during partnership process, notice something, highlight, not comment or complain. most people like to keep small matter and wait till cannot loon, then voice out, by time, the kind of voice out tone could be different and result unhappiness to surface.
like i said before, if partnership with who ever person causes many problem, it is always good to break early and still maintain good friendship
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Originally posted by StriveOn:
Relationship between Hirer and Relief not so simple like Relationship between Taxi Co. and Hirer.
Taxi Co. and Hirer got all the conditions laid down. You step out of line, they shoot you. They say "A", you "A"; they say "B", you "B". You want to Sia Lan with them, you have to think of your deposit.
Hirer and Relief partnership, most of the time only a few conditions or conditions not clear. And when partner got problems, got to know how to do people (choa laang, close one eye and give way) Or when shit happens, have to deviate from conditions or prepare for end of partnership. If behave like Taxi Co and hirer, for sure the partnership will not last.
Very difficult to find good partners. A good partner is one who do not think about you handover late, but thinking maybe you got problems. But the other party must prove himself to be good partner too.
IMO b4 starting partnership must set the rules. Give & take can begin from there. Me newbie tat time, so watever he say, i agree lo.. -
Originally posted by Just_do_it_lah:
It is always hard to find perfect partnerships.....
Never be too calculative... Be "chin chye"
Never want to take relief / hirer for a ride....
Understanding and communication is very important...
Talking is alway easy. Executing needs effort.
Bro, im too chin chye till i lost 'who's the hirer' status sometimes. I don't take advantage & i expect others to reciprocate. -
Originally posted by WizQ:
Bri ALws,
He didn't wash the car for 2 weeks. He is trying to hint subtly that he is not interesting to be your partner anymore.
Just give him a call, thank him for being a good mentor to you in the past few months. tell him you got a new relief, and move on.
Our agreement is wash the cab if dirty. Don't have to wash everyday de. Will monitor my new relief 1st. But staying nearby is really shiok. Today i reach home 30 mins earlier.:) -
Originally posted by hammerhammer8888:
Ya cannot be calculative all the time lah. Give and take loh. For me I like OMO not because I dun like to have any conflicts with others. And also the freedom no need think what time handover and the hassle of it. Most hirer are very knn one. Only a few good ones around. I am lucky to have a nice hirer to start with because I only can drive 15 days a month and my schedule is very erratic. He let me practice driving by letting me taking over the midnight shift due to health problems as doctor advise him to rest more. I have the phobia of driving a taxi in the beginning. If he had not given me the chance to start I will still be stuck in my old job now. But we have to part company only after a few months as his health taken a turn for the worst. During those few months I manage to gain confident to becoming an OMO.
Bro, OMO not for me. I tried for 1 mth & i nearly throw keys! Not enough rest, less income & no life at all. -
Originally posted by hammerhammer8888:
Ya cannot be calculative all the time lah. Give and take loh. For me I like OMO not because I dun like to have any conflicts with others. And also the freedom no need think what time handover and the hassle of it. Most hirer are very knn one. Only a few good ones around. I am lucky to have a nice hirer to start with because I only can drive 15 days a month and my schedule is very erratic. He let me practice driving by letting me taking over the midnight shift due to health problems as doctor advise him to rest more. I have the phobia of driving a taxi in the beginning. If he had not given me the chance to start I will still be stuck in my old job now. But we have to part company only after a few months as his health taken a turn for the worst. During those few months I manage to gain confident to becoming an OMO.
Bro, OMO not for me. I tried for 1 mth & i nearly throw keys! Not enough rest, less income & no life at all. -
Originally posted by Just_do_it_lah:
getting a understanding partner is very important and very lucky
Surely, one have to give more than the other.... If the other never gives, always take... then it is only one way traffic... no good for a working relationship.
Both must be having the same frequency as you guys tend to see each other regularly (upon shift changing). Communication comes in and solve the unhappiness.
Bro, frequency or communication is secondary. Fairness to both parties comes 1st. -
Originally posted by bowah:
However, communication can also end up more worst if bad communication is involved. To be frank, all of us are earning a living of more or less of the same trade, relationship alway start with a good bang, then come the storm where differences become apparent, that is the time to determine if you want to carry on the relationship.
Once you are able to overcome the storming period, the spring comes along, both would had a good understanding of each other habituals and style, learnt to live with it and move on happily. To break it into pts
Relationship works in such a way
1. Introduction (lots of smiling and good gesture, courtesy and polite)
2. Storm brewing (found out each other faults and bad habits)
3. Storming (engage in unpleasant words of exchange, shown of dislike thru words and action, showing true color of each other, ego and pride take stage, most dangerous stage in relationship)
4. After the storm, clear weather, nice and cooling effect like spring with rainbow (this only happen if both are able to overcome the storm, if not, the relationship would had stopped at the storming period)
5. Consolidating period, each do some soul searching themselves, change to suit each other in the best possible way
6. Happily move on.
Bro, tat some solid advices!! -
Originally posted by Angwk7118:
partnership is not a simple matter
for party to work well together, some rule and regulation still need to spell out.
of course you can't spell out everything, during partnership process, notice something, highlight, not comment or complain. most people like to keep small matter and wait till cannot loon, then voice out, by time, the kind of voice out tone could be different and result unhappiness to surface.
like i said before, if partnership with who ever person causes many problem, it is always good to break early and still maintain good friendship
Bro, would a black & white agreement letter statement all T&Cs b4 committing partnership be better? Im thinking of drafting it for future relief.. -
Originally posted by JoeRaj:
It's very true what Bowah has said, but sometimes there must also be an ending.
I drove for my hirer for 2 years, the last year hoping he will be less calculative, but it doesn't seem to change. Sure he got help me like yourself, but I also got help him.
But when he finally 'put the straw that broke the camel's back'. I decided enough must be enough and quit. No use driving everyday thinking of how you wanna quit or how to fire the guy. Everyday your stress or frustration increase. Your conscience is clear, you never do anything wrong to him, why must you be the one with the pressure?
He cannot turn around and say you fucked up, if he do you have all the evidence and right to f him back.
As a relief it's easier, just return key and game is over, but maybe as hirer you must ask him to return key, and hope he don't do monkey tricks, but remember always that you are not the owner, the taxi company is, if he do something silly, he is the one they'll go after.
My advice is:
a) You just tell him to return key immediately.
b) You give him 3-7 days notice, you can give some excuse, say your brother just got license and you'll be sharing with him instead, sorry but bo pian.
c) You tell him you're returning the cab, you got other lobang and will quit in a few days. If later he find out you still drive and f you, then you f back and say why you stop him. Most will not bother, this is part and parcel of Tdriving as a relief, hirers come and go, so most probably he'll move on.
d) Or tell the company that you want to stop him, they will contact him and ask him to return the key to them. If he doesn't. They will also tell him not to drive anymore because if he does, he will lose his license and be refered to the police.
Bro, i think i'll tell him honestly if i decided to partner my new relief. No point bluffing, worse come to worse, i tell him my new relief do not wana wait for the 1 week notice. Anyway i will refund current relief all the $$ he give. I don't take advantage of him in this case lo. -
Originally posted by JoeRaj:
It's very true what Bowah has said, but sometimes there must also be an ending.
I drove for my hirer for 2 years, the last year hoping he will be less calculative, but it doesn't seem to change. Sure he got help me like yourself, but I also got help him.
But when he finally 'put the straw that broke the camel's back'. I decided enough must be enough and quit. No use driving everyday thinking of how you wanna quit or how to fire the guy. Everyday your stress or frustration increase. Your conscience is clear, you never do anything wrong to him, why must you be the one with the pressure?
He cannot turn around and say you fucked up, if he do you have all the evidence and right to f him back.
As a relief it's easier, just return key and game is over, but maybe as hirer you must ask him to return key, and hope he don't do monkey tricks, but remember always that you are not the owner, the taxi company is, if he do something silly, he is the one they'll go after.
My advice is:
a) You just tell him to return key immediately.
b) You give him 3-7 days notice, you can give some excuse, say your brother just got license and you'll be sharing with him instead, sorry but bo pian.
c) You tell him you're returning the cab, you got other lobang and will quit in a few days. If later he find out you still drive and f you, then you f back and say why you stop him. Most will not bother, this is part and parcel of Tdriving as a relief, hirers come and go, so most probably he'll move on.
d) Or tell the company that you want to stop him, they will contact him and ask him to return the key to them. If he doesn't. They will also tell him not to drive anymore because if he does, he will lose his license and be refered to the police.
Bro, i think i'll tell him honestly if i decided to partner my new relief. No point bluffing, worse come to worse, i tell him my new relief do not wana wait for the 1 week notice. Anyway i will refund current relief all the $$ he give. I don't take advantage of him in this case lo. -
Originally posted by Angwk7118:
partnership is not a simple matter
for party to work well together, some rule and regulation still need to spell out.
of course you can't spell out everything, during partnership process, notice something, highlight, not comment or complain. most people like to keep small matter and wait till cannot loon, then voice out, by time, the kind of voice out tone could be different and result unhappiness to surface.
like i said before, if partnership with who ever person causes many problem, it is always good to break early and still maintain good friendship
Yes bro, to maintain friendship is my intention too. Like those hokkien term-> 'Ho lai ho key'.