testing god and ghost existence experiment
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Originally posted by Daisuke-kun:
dunno leh.
i is learn from scary movies 1.
nvr try before.
lol.. the jian gui 10 is it? :P *throw basketball at daisuke
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Originally posted by ivebeenhad:
hello january, i am a partial aetist. i have some questions, who do you think created the universe? the begining of time, the big bang all that, i believe it happened but i just cant justify how matter can spontaneously appear from nothing. I would asume that you have done extensive reading on these subjects and would apreciate your reply. cheers.
hello baby... at least a thread down here where i can answer something instead of arguing.
Seriously, why dun you read up on quantum physics, and astronomy physics. Those physicists talks about existence, matter and time in a professional way unlike we general public, aka the laymen.
sentences like "how can something appear from nothing" is a laymen logic which i have gone through myself last time when i am thinking of such questions.... Basically, from my little knowledge, the 2 word ... 'something' and 'nothing' are english words that is not so useful when we talk about physics....
big bang is a very smal big, before which could be some situations. one situation is that our universe are born from another universe, you gotta to read more about this thing, through the big bang. and big band are actually common stuff in multi universe.
Point is this. I will refrain from saying ' this is beyond the scope of human understanding ' . i will encourage people to continue discussing. OKay. First, you have to read about one thing. which is called anti-matter... it has been found that anti matter is much more than matter in our universe, so such stuff actually is more detailed than our concept of something and nothing.
Is vaccum nothing? such is the question you have to ask, think and research. Some people will delve into saying that everything is form from energy. However, even if it is the case, there are actually many detailed scientific analysis. oh ya... some say that energy creates the 'something' which you mention. any way .. there is much science behind all these theories...
Philosophy will lead you to question like.. what is before big bang then.. or the thing that causes big bang.... it leads to a situation called infinite regression.. which is a logic issue.
Personally, I have some knwoledge of what is the answer of this questions... or what is error in the way human understand certain english words... but i will stop here. good luck on your journey of intelligence.
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geroge carlin once said....
" i was a christian until i reach the age of reason"
anyway..... ghost festival is coming... i am probably going to be harassed, possessed or killed by them.. yeh!!
about 4 months since i ask ghost to possess me
BTW: I would like to pay tribute to randy pausch.... professor who died on 25 july... farewell...
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thank you for reopening my interests in physics beyond what is thought in school. I do have basic understanding of particle physics and some of einsteins theories, limited but much more that my friends call me crazy. I find your points helpfull in answering my questions and ill do some reading on these. thing is, all the while i thought of science purely as science and never would have thought it could be fully utilised to explain god. haha.
i personally have thought of many things like how some people persistently try to attack the validity of darwinism and hold on relentlessly to what the scientists have tried to disprove, also things like how when you look deep at cellular level or even deeper at molecular level, you just cant find your consciousness physically in any part of your brain.
seeing whats going on here, seems like the aethist community is rather small and unwelcomed generally and i feel that its good actually to have at least some people thinking beyond what their parents have thought them, people who learn to think for themselves and think beyond their comfort zone, i no longer feel like im the only one thinking too much, hehe. I will check out the online scientific comunities soon for more brain food.
so my search for god continues, thanks for your points on this matter.
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atheists .. they are not like religious people... religious people seem very good at forming assoications and meeting up regularly and creating events....
atheists basically just believe there is no god or ghost..we humans just evolve and earth is a super small thing in universe that is likely to dissappear or get burn off some billions or millions years later.
there is really no strong motivation for atheists to meet because there is no strong cause... and i guess atheists are generally intellectuals who are lazy
secondly... there atheism is minority issue in singapore as compared to religious groups... there is a perceived potential threat to religion and hence atheist would rather remained mum about being too expressive. HAHA.. cos govt always say be religious sensitive...
imagine atheist speaking on national television that there is no god ... it would probably lead to public outcry ....
Lastly.. perhaps atheist would form assoications only when they settle their own bread and butter issue first... as the saying goes...
"no money no talking"
I believe most atheists are earning money religiously now... haha....
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmology_(physics)
i found this stuff which is relevant to the question of beginning of the universe.
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What's the metaphysics answer?
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i dunno what u mean by metaphysics answer... actually the answer to the beginning of universe is not really out yet...
to general public, they want a simple answer...a simple concept..
but in quantum physics or comsology, the question is a physics question, with mathematics thrown in it like dimensions....
firstly, they have generally found 11 dimensions... not some nonsense down here.. in reality in physics..
Our 4 dimension we experience is smaller world. additional dimensions, however, is not the the supernatural realms which non scientists like to hijack and attach to superconsciousness, ghost and heavens.
SO called addition dimensions can be descirbed and talked about by scientists in physical formula, and maths proving here and there and using current physics concepts.
anyway, beginning of universe can be understood if one studies in this field and they are still tracing the puzzle backward to find more and more... about the fabric of space, time and reality
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by the way, i read that if one travel faster and faster, his time becomes slower for him. this theory, states that actually, spacetime is a together entity just like eletromagnetic.
when we dun move in space, being stationary, our motion in time is 100 percent... if we move lets say in fast speed, we will experience time slower.. but out speed in daily life does not reduce our time differences alot...
if you move in speed of light, you will not move in time at all.. cos you have use all the spacetime motion for space.
This theory is real.. though i have not relaly grapsed it alot. its found in the book called fabric of the cosmo...
the author is bloody physics professor in US who have graced HARvard, Cornell and columbia university.
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Originally posted by ivebeenhad:
hello january, i am a partial aetist. i have some questions, who do you think created the universe? the begining of time, the big bang all that, i believe it happened but i just cant justify how matter can spontaneously appear from nothing. I would asume that you have done extensive reading on these subjects and would apreciate your reply. cheers.
Hmm... no matter what religion you believe in or dun believe in, you have to come into terms with the fact that the universe did at one point did appear out of nothing... Same as ur gods, there mus be a precursor of god, therefore something must come from nothing, and it cant be explained away using God. Even for a cyclic universe, where time is a cycle instead of a straight line, there has to be a point where everything is initiated.
I guess this is the ultimate answer to be answered, how did we get from nothing to something. -
Originally posted by january:
i dunno what u mean by metaphysics answer... actually the answer to the beginning of universe is not really out yet...
to general public, they want a simple answer...a simple concept..
but in quantum physics or comsology, the question is a physics question, with mathematics thrown in it like dimensions....
firstly, they have generally found 11 dimensions... not some nonsense down here.. in reality in physics..
Our 4 dimension we experience is smaller world. additional dimensions, however, is not the the supernatural realms which non scientists like to hijack and attach to superconsciousness, ghost and heavens.
SO called addition dimensions can be descirbed and talked about by scientists in physical formula, and maths proving here and there and using current physics concepts.
anyway, beginning of universe can be understood if one studies in this field and they are still tracing the puzzle backward to find more and more... about the fabric of space, time and reality
I think you are talking about string theory here.. where there is 11 dimensions.... These theory maybe very elegant on mathematical formula, but in real world you are not able to observe it... so we should read it with a grain of salt.
Yes talking about physics... some of u guys here might be interested in this[http://www.lhcountdown.com/] in a few days time, we could get a peek of the subtle "glue" that holds the universe together. -
Originally posted by whiskers:
Hmm... no matter what religion you believe in or dun believe in, you have to come into terms with the fact that the universe did at one point did appear out of nothing... Same as ur gods, there mus be a precursor of god, therefore something must come from nothing, and it cant be explained away using God. Even for a cyclic universe, where time is a cycle instead of a straight line, there has to be a point where everything is initiated.
I guess this is the ultimate answer to be answered, how did we get from nothing to something.
actually.. i was thinking about this question and so called paradox of few of this questions recently.. and i have mostly solved it ... what i mean is that i have solved the paradox and its not that i know what is the beginning of time or universe.however, i shall not reveal the insights for private reasons. there is nothing illogical at all, although humans seems to find that there is a illogical point about nothing to something.
all i can say its that the problem lies in human logic. the logic is wrong. well, you all can read up on logical fallacy. it will give you some hints.
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Originally posted by whiskers:
Hmm... no matter what religion you believe in or dun believe in, you have to come into terms with the fact that the universe did at one point did appear out of nothing... Same as ur gods, there mus be a precursor of god, therefore something must come from nothing, and it cant be explained away using God. Even for a cyclic universe, where time is a cycle instead of a straight line, there has to be a point where everything is initiated.
I guess this is the ultimate answer to be answered, how did we get from nothing to something.Not necessary, according to Buddhism.
http://www.mahindarama.com/e-library/whybuddhism2.html
To those who talked about the first cause of this world, the Buddha responded by saying that it is impossible to find a first cause since everything is changing, interdependent and conditioned by other things. Something that acts as the cause in the present may become the effect in the future. Later that same effect may again become the cause. Such phenomenon continues ad infinitum. It is called the universal law of Anicca or impermanency.
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http://www.sgforums.com/forums/1728/topics/265277
In the eyes of Buddhism,the doctrine of dependent arising solves all
metaphysical philosophical problems.Etiology is solved because there is,
not an absolute beginning, but an temporally indeterminate welling up of
mutually-conditioned factors.Since no factor is temporally prior, as such,
the discussions of genesis manage to avoid positing an absolute beginning
without recourse either to a metaphysical entity like a transcendent
God or to causal priority ad infinitum. Eschatology is solved because,
since the ultimate end of existence is merely the appeasement of arising
through appeasement of ignorant dispositions, there is no need to predict
apocalypses or nihilistic destruction of existence. Things arose, but there
was no ultimate cause, and things will cease, but there is no ultimate fate.
Soteriology is likewise solved; one need not face either a final Judgment
Day nor mere annihilation, but rather one will just face the self-caused
abandonment of equally self-caused afflicted existence.When ignorance
ceases, birth ceases, and death ceases. Karma, metempsychosis, and the
nature of the soul are also all solved without recourse to abstract soul-
theories. Karma is neither an adventitious elemental defilement, like it is
for the Jains, nor a subtle and transcendental deterministic fate, like for
certain schools of Hinduism. Karma is simply the correlation between
cause and effect. Karma is determined by oneÂ’s actions and dispositions,
and when one appeases oneÂ’s dispositions then, when eventually the lingering effects of prior causes have come to fruition, existence will be no
more. The simple conditioning of one link by another link enables the
Buddhist karma to be determined without being deterministic,and subtle
without being transcendental -
Originally posted by january:
does not make sense your reasoning.Anyway, five minutes have passed and i have seen a single ghost or acts of god. So quiet. Perhaps they are busy and did not see this message. Busy? did not see? I wonder what happen to their super power . Also, I thought that they are many ghosts in the world.
like as if yours is resonable?
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Originally posted by An Eternal Now:
Not necessary, according to Buddhism.
http://www.mahindarama.com/e-library/whybuddhism2.html
To those who talked about the first cause of this world, the Buddha responded by saying that it is impossible to find a first cause since everything is changing, interdependent and conditioned by other things. Something that acts as the cause in the present may become the effect in the future. Later that same effect may again become the cause. Such phenomenon continues ad infinitum. It is called the universal law of Anicca or impermanency.
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http://www.sgforums.com/forums/1728/topics/265277
In the eyes of Buddhism,the doctrine of dependent arising solves all
metaphysical philosophical problems.Etiology is solved because there is,
not an absolute beginning, but an temporally indeterminate welling up of
mutually-conditioned factors.Since no factor is temporally prior, as such,
the discussions of genesis manage to avoid positing an absolute beginning
without recourse either to a metaphysical entity like a transcendent
God or to causal priority ad infinitum. Eschatology is solved because,
since the ultimate end of existence is merely the appeasement of arising
through appeasement of ignorant dispositions, there is no need to predict
apocalypses or nihilistic destruction of existence. Things arose, but there
was no ultimate cause, and things will cease, but there is no ultimate fate.
Soteriology is likewise solved; one need not face either a final Judgment
Day nor mere annihilation, but rather one will just face the self-caused
abandonment of equally self-caused afflicted existence.When ignorance
ceases, birth ceases, and death ceases. Karma, metempsychosis, and the
nature of the soul are also all solved without recourse to abstract soul-
theories. Karma is neither an adventitious elemental defilement, like it is
for the Jains, nor a subtle and transcendental deterministic fate, like for
certain schools of Hinduism. Karma is simply the correlation between
cause and effect. Karma is determined by oneÂ’s actions and dispositions,
and when one appeases oneÂ’s dispositions then, when eventually the lingering effects of prior causes have come to fruition, existence will be no
more. The simple conditioning of one link by another link enables the
Buddhist karma to be determined without being deterministic,and subtle
without being transcendentalso ure saying, 1+1 cannot be solved because 2 is actually also 0.5 x 4, and subsequently 0.25 x 8, then 0.125 x 16? im a little confused here, do we really have to go to a x b = 2 whereby a is the smallest possible number and b is the largest possible number (which is impossible) just to understand the number 2?
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went to outfield recently in lim chu kang forest... saw many cemetery on the way to my camp. during outfield training... was hoping to see some ghost.. but alas... i can feel only the stupid weight of the machine gun shagging me out.
looks like i will never get to see any ghost liao....
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Talk about science but don't leave out the Jews. Some Jewish scientists may be atheists too but cannot ignore the fact that they are the descendents of Abraham.
TS's experiments are ineffective. He will not see a ghost with his naked eye but things will improve if he signs a pact with Satan, in blood. Try it.
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what experiment?? ghost and god wanna appear just appear and confront me lah.. still must do this do that before they can appear.
Must i burn ezlink card for them so that they can take bus and mrt to my place... wa kow.. half a year liao still never show any signs...
damn lousy they all. ROger out. Bye . I will be back.
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Originally posted by january:
what experiment?? ghost and god wanna appear just appear and confront me lah.. still must do this do that before they can appear.
Must i burn ezlink card for them so that they can take bus and mrt to my place... wa kow.. half a year liao still never show any signs...
damn lousy they all. ROger out. Bye . I will be back.
wah jan, u really want to die isitghosts are real leh. dont pray pray
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Originally posted by january:
what experiment?? ghost and god wanna appear just appear and confront me lah.. still must do this do that before they can appear.
Must i burn ezlink card for them so that they can take bus and mrt to my place... wa kow.. half a year liao still never show any signs...
damn lousy they all. ROger out. Bye . I will be back.
Believe what you want. I don't really care. However, those who have met the supernatural can vouch for its truth. Maybe you are not sensitive to the spiritual world. And that is a blessing. It is not good to see ghosts.
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january
Going by your logic, there is god and ghosts.
Because there are people who wish you well, and others who make offerings to ghost not to harm people. Their calls are heard by god and ghosts.
So we will see you continuing typing.
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Originally posted by HyperionDCZ:
wah jan, u really want to die isitghosts are real leh. dont pray pray
aiyoh.. u people are so timid. I am a man of REASON..i think before i talk...
i reason properly and realize that there is no ghost/god.
so dun be afraid.
just say they are all faked. Nothing will happen to u.
If you or I die tomolo, its just coincidence.
That is just mathematics. Coincidental things always happen.
Of course supertitious people like to find and create meanings in
coincidental things. That is just the way they do things. haha.
You can say god/ghost are real, but still you may still die tomolo. So dun be a scardy cat.
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Originally posted by january:
aiyoh.. u people are so timid. I am a man of REASON..i think before i talk...
i reason properly and realize that there is no ghost/god.
so dun be afraid.
just say they are all faked. Nothing will happen to u.
If you or I die tomolo, its just coincidence.
That is just mathematics. Coincidental things always happen.
Of course supertitious people like to find and create meanings in
coincidental things. That is just the way they do things. haha.
You can say god/ghost are real, but still you may still die tomolo. So dun be a scardy cat.
I hope your reason serves you well. I may not have reason but I do not find all ways and means to prove myself right. In such a place as the internet, how do I know if you are telling the truth? You say you went to a graveyard. Can you prove that part?
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Originally posted by mancha:
january
Going by your logic, there is god and ghosts.
Because there are people who wish you well, and others who make offerings to ghost not to harm people. Their calls are heard by god and ghosts.
So we will see you continuing typing.
Good effort of reasoning (laughing now)
This is not proof, but conjecture.
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to the thread above me beautiful 951:
i did not go the graveyard.