Why don't you believe in God?
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Believe in God is good what. Whether God exists or not, as long as you believe you will reap the benefits and the rewards for believing.
Every time anything good happens you can point to God
Every time anything bad happens you can point to Satan or you can say "It is the Will of God"
Like that you will always have a good reason for everything that ever happens to you or whatever that happens to the world.
So nice, no need to take responsibilities for anything, right? Right? Please comment. -
Not all the bad things that happen in your life, its an act of god, and its the doing of the devil
i have read the bible to come to a understand of this
i don't blame god for what misfortune that has happen in my life -
Then when do you blame god and the devil and when do you blame yourself?!Originally posted by allentyb:Not all the bad things that happen in your life, its an act of god, and its the doing of the devil
i have read the bible to come to a understand of this
i don't blame god for what misfortune that has happen in my life
When do you thank god or the devil and when do you congratulate yourself?! -
i learn how to self reflect on my own mistake and not to commit the same old mistake again.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:Then when do you blame god and the devil and when do you blame yourself?!
When do you thank god or the devil and when do you congratulate yourself?!
If i go and cry out to god, each time, waiting for him to show me the way or the solution, why did he give us, the gift - free will, in the first place?
i thank god for his grace that his word has kept me in place each time, i feel lonely or worry or sad - thats what the bible is for
and i don't worship Lucifer so i don't thank him
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So it is your own effort after all, because god has given you free will?Originally posted by allentyb:i learn how to self reflect on my own mistake and not to commit the same old mistake again.
If i go and cry out to god, each time, waiting for him to show me the way or the solution, why did he give us, the gift - free will, in the first place?
i thank god for his grace that his word has kept me in place each time, i feel lonely or worry or sad - thats what the bible is for
and i don't worship Lucifer so i don't thank him
What is "his word has kept me in place each time"? -
his words give me the wisdom, what do you think?Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:So it is your own effort after all, because god has given you free will?
What is "his word has kept me in place each time"?
What is "his word has kept me in place each time"
have you read the bible before, do i have to simplify my words so that you could understand? i don't know -
i don't wish to flip to the bible verse in order to support my sentence, as i see no need in doing so, as your topic, is very much a general question, and we can debate whole day, and if you have make up your mind, about what kind of answer, you wishes to hear, then right now, what you are doing, is twisting my words around,
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Probably if you type your topic, why should i choose to believe in God?
As god give us the gift - free will, the ablility to choose, the ability to think freely, or should we blame adam and eve for eating the forbidden fruit,( which i still wonder, today, what is the type of fruit), since we now, possess the gift, to able to judge - let those who never sin, throw the first stone, then why is it, we as human being, still unable to determine, what is right, or wrong, at this very moment of time.
I could think of endless topic that lead to this very question - why should we put our faith in God?
Your question is a very general, and could even lead into flame war
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I am trying to understand what you are trying to say...
so it is
"his word has kept me in place each time, i feel lonely or worry or sad - thats what the bible is for "
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"his words give me the wisdom"
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you are a believer... obviously you also believe that your belief did you some good...
so why is it some people do not want to believe in God? Believing in God can help when you "feel lonely or worry or sad "!
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"his words give me the wisdom" -
i am apalled by what you say. if you try to explain think in terms of god and satan, then you are straying away from self accountability.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:
Believe in God is good what. Whether God exists or not, as long as you believe you will reap the benefits and the rewards for believing.
Every time anything good happens you can point to God
Every time anything bad happens you can point to Satan or you can say "It is the Will of God"
Like that you will always have a good reason for everything that ever happens to you or whatever that happens to the world.
So nice, no need to take responsibilities for anything, right? Right? Please comment.
a child fares badly for his exam, he should look at how he can improve and be more studious for the next test. he does not think: "god must have a reason for making me fare badly in test" or "satan make me get poor result"
its always easy for people to give reasons. If you are satisifed when you have many reasons but none of it is right, the truth will eventually catch up with you.
In working world, people make decisions, and there are explanation and reasons. wrong reason will lead to bad decision.
i would like to emphasie that there is no God, Satan or heaven in reality. i would do my part to educate god-believers. -
the reasons why i dun believe in god is because it waste my precious time. atheist believe that with the information and evidence we have so far, there is no clue that points to us that there are more than a single life you or me have.
therefore, we know that life is limited and precious. praying to God or going to sunday churchs does not change the fact that there is no life after death and there is no god. therefore, it is a waste of time.
a sunday morning will be therefore better used to spend time with you friends/ family, to read a book, to prepare a nice cup of coffee or any other hobbies you like. -
are you not looking at "reality". Sure, pure reasoning is good, but how many can many do that? How many can many achieve that?Originally posted by january:i am apalled by what you say. if you try to explain think in terms of god and satan, then you are straying away from self accountability.
a child fares badly for his exam, he should look at how he can improve and be more studious for the next test. he does not think: "god must have a reason for making me fare badly in test" or "satan make me get poor result"
its always easy for people to give reasons. If you are satisifed when you have many reasons but none of it is right, the truth will eventually catch up with you.
In working world, people make decisions, and there are explanation and reasons. wrong reason will lead to bad decision.
i would like to emphasie that there is no God, Satan or heaven in reality. i would do my part to educate god-believers.
If you tell children, you must behave like adults... aren't you the one delusional then?
Children will be children. When they are children, you give them some rules to follow and you don't expect them to use pure reasoning do you?
Sure, the belief might be false, but if the beliefs lead to good, why do you care? Why don't you encourage it even? -
That is your opinion, that "FOR YOU" it is a waste of time... sure, if you think that it is a waste of time, don't go. If is it helpful and even affirming for believers to attend and believe, why would you want to stop them? You need to come up with better reasons why they should not go.Originally posted by january:the reasons why i dun believe in god is because it waste my precious time. atheist believe that with the information and evidence we have so far, there is no clue that points to us that there are more than a single life you or me have.
therefore, we know that life is limited and precious. praying to God or going to sunday churchs does not change the fact that there is no life after death and there is no god. therefore, it is a waste of time.
a sunday morning will be therefore better used to spend time with you friends/ family, to read a book, to prepare a nice cup of coffee or any other hobbies you like. -
I want them to know that it is pointless to pray and go church because there is no heaven and no one is going heaven or hell. Of course, they can go church every sunday, meet friends and sing songs in praise and be happy for the rest of their life.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:That is your opinion, that "FOR YOU" it is a waste of time... sure, if you think that it is a waste of time, don't go. If is it helpful and even affirming for believers to attend and believe, why would you want to stop them? You need to come up with better reasons why they should not go.
but i want them to know that if they think that doing this will land a place in heaven, they are wrong. -
My point is, so what if they are wrong? I am sure that you are wrong about many things as well except that you do not know about it.Originally posted by january:I want them to know that it is pointless to pray and go church because there is no heaven and no one is going heaven or hell. Of course, they can go church every sunday, meet friends and sing songs in praise and be happy for the rest of their life.
but i want them to know that if they think that doing this will land a place in heaven, they are wrong.
You have to give people an alternative. You have to explain why even though it is good for them to believe, there is a better way. Otherwise they will feel so lost. They give up their beliefs and end up with "nothing". It can be very scary for them.
So what is it that you offer? -
You dun need religion to be a good person. If you convince them that there is god and there is no god, then they will have to waste them seeking for truth and realizing that actually his belief are wrong and have to rectify them.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:are you not looking at "reality". Sure, pure reasoning is good, but how many can many do that? How many can many achieve that?
If you tell children, you must behave like adults... aren't you the one delusional then?
Children will be children. When they are children, you give them some rules to follow and you don't expect them to use pure reasoning do you?
Sure, the belief might be false, but if the beliefs lead to good, why do you care? Why don't you encourage it even?
You must teach people the true and right reason why we should not harm or kill or create violent because of the true reason and the real repercusion of this acts in society, not because God will dislike you and punish you. -
well, changes usually is done in steps. not in abrupt manner. they can start by first reading books on philosophy and try to see how a no-God world might be reasoable after all.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:My point is, so what if they are wrong? I am sure that you are wrong about many things as well except that you do not know about it.
You have to give people an alternative. You have to explain why even though it is good for them to believe, there is a better way. Otherwise they will feel so lost. They give up their beliefs and end up with "nothing". It can be very scary for them.
So what is it that you offer?
You said, "so what if they are wrong?" if you have wrong beliefs, it means your actions and behavior are wrong, because actions and behavior stems from our attitude and beliefs. if your behavior and actions are wrong, they they will not work in reality and you will not achieve the correct things for yourself.
For example, if people attend church because they want to got to heaven but the truth is that there is no heaven, then they could have done other things if they realize that their belief is wrong. their action may then change to going out with friends to orchard road or talking with family or plan any other things they like and want. Their sunday will therefore not be restrict to having to go to church. their option are wider. They are free. -
sorry I have to go... I will come back
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You might want to teach, but do they want to learn?Originally posted by january:You dun need religion to be a good person. If you convince them that there is god and there is no god, then they will have to waste them seeking for truth and realizing that actually his belief are wrong and have to rectify them.
You must teach people the true and right reason why we should not harm or kill or create violent because of the true reason and the real repercusion of this acts in society, not because God will dislike you and punish you.
They rather take the easy way out and think that they will receive lots of goodies as long as they believe... and be punished if they "sin"
so easy... just follow law...
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results still the same... so why not? -
Why change at all? Let them be... let them think that there is a God that is a Police Officer that is constantly out to catch them... good for the rest of us right?Originally posted by january:well, changes usually is done in steps. not in abrupt manner. they can start by first reading books on philosophy and try to see how a no-God world might be reasoable after all.
You said, "so what if they are wrong?" if you have wrong beliefs, it means your actions and behavior are wrong, because actions and behavior stems from our attitude and beliefs. if your behavior and actions are wrong, they they will not work in reality and you will not achieve the correct things for yourself.
For example, if people attend church because they want to got to heaven but the truth is that there is no heaven, then they could have done other things if they realize that their belief is wrong. their action may then change to going out with friends to orchard road or talking with family or plan any other things they like and want. Their sunday will therefore not be restrict to having to go to church. their option are wider. They are free.
Just because they have the wrong beliefs does not necessarily lead to wrong actions... it could very well lead to right actions... it only they really believe and love others as much as themselves... which all the main religions teach... -
Well, i throw back a question to TS - Why would we want to indulge in delusion(s)?
A nice analogy is the movie Matrix. Some people wants to go back inside the false world of the Matrix, but most people - if awakened to the truth - will want 'out'. Ask yourself if you know what u believed to be false, would you still follow it blindly just for the sake of following? Blue pill or red pill?
Well, for starters, the world will be a much more peaceful place if there were no religions. Less reasons for terrorist activities, much less conflicts, less people suffering.
take for example: Astrology.
[Please dont confuse astrology with Astronomy which is real science]
Astrology is really alot of nonsense that you think may not affect us. but the truth is - alot of money is involved - for e.g. your newspapers, magazines, alot of them have astrology articles. If something is nonsensical, why do we have to pay for it? Alot of 'believers' might go even further and perhaps get their life jeopardized or influenced becoz of astrology.
I'm sure i don't need to point out the astronomical amounts of money involved in religion. Not to mention the influence religion and its powerful leaders has on its believers.
Another example of how religion has caused great problems in the progress of mankind - education.
In the past, becoz of religion, american schools have taught creationism as part of science as opposed to the real science of evolution. It was only after alot of debate that evolution finally got what it deserved and creationism get kicked out of school textbooks. However, creationism and its various branches of 'false sciences' (intelligent design etc) are still trying to force its way back into school textbooks. Not only are they trying to teach false sciences, they are causing alot of unnecessary waste of resources. -
Free thinker here.
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Sure, delusions cause problems... but does good as well. Sure, there are terrorists trying to kill people because of their religious beliefs... but there are religious people out there trying to save "the beaten, the broken and the damned" My Chemical RomanceOriginally posted by sgquitter:Well, i throw back a question to TS - Why would we want to indulge in delusion(s)?
A nice analogy is the movie Matrix. Some people wants to go back inside the false world of the Matrix, but most people - if awakened to the truth - will want 'out'. Ask yourself if you know what u believed to be false, would you still follow it blindly just for the sake of following? Blue pill or red pill?
Well, for starters, the world will be a much more peaceful place if there were no religions. Less reasons for terrorist activities, much less conflicts, less people suffering.
take for example: Astrology.
[Please dont confuse astrology with Astronomy which is real science]
Astrology is really alot of nonsense that you think may not affect us. but the truth is - alot of money is involved - for e.g. your newspapers, magazines, alot of them have astrology articles. If something is nonsensical, why do we have to pay for it? Alot of 'believers' might go even further and perhaps get their life jeopardized or influenced becoz of astrology.
I'm sure i don't need to point out the astronomical amounts of money involved in religion. Not to mention the influence religion and its powerful leaders has on its believers.
Another example of how religion has caused great problems in the progress of mankind - education.
In the past, becoz of religion, american schools have taught creationism as part of science as opposed to the real science of evolution. It was only after alot of debate that evolution finally got what it deserved and creationism get kicked out of school textbooks. However, creationism and its various branches of 'false sciences' (intelligent design etc) are still trying to force its way back into school textbooks. Not only are they trying to teach false sciences, they are causing alot of unnecessary waste of resources.
Sure, rationality is better than delusions... but can people handle the truth? A Few Good Men
Astrology is mostly harmless. Like taking vitamin supplement. If you do not lack, take the vitamin for what? It only comes out with the urine... Comfort! Comfort food! Those that believe in Astrology continues to work and put in the effort.
Just like there is the law to stop the religious extremists, there is an educational board of governors to weed out "stupidity" from textbooks.
We do not live in a perfect world and we do not have perfect knowledge... so why not just let people needlessly take their vitamin pills and worship their god/gods as long as they are comforted by it? -
Since you claim to be a "thinker"... let me test you, if you don't mind...Originally posted by Darkness_hacker99:Free thinker here.
Did you make the decision to make the post or did the chemicals that you are made up of make the decision?
Did you make the decision to make the post or did your brain make the decision for you and you had the delusion that you made the decision? -
You ask my brain lor.. dont ask me..Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:Since you claim to be a "thinker"... let me test you, if you don't mind...
Did you make the decision to make the post or did the chemicals that you are made up of make the decision?
Did you make the decision to make the post or did your brain make the decision for you and you had the delusion that you made the decision?