The Rapture... False Teaching?
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With so many christian's believing in this... there is actually no support for a teaching of being taken to heaven to live there forever...
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i thought there is? in revelations.
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where in the Book of Revelations is it stated that we will be raptured?Originally posted by popmynutsy:i thought there is? in revelations. -
Any christian willing to take this up?
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there are many views to revelations.... rapture is just one of them. not all Christians believe in rapture.... or post and pre-tribulation.Originally posted by breytonhartge:Any christian willing to take this up?
having said that, I'd respectfully NOT post any arguments in Deeper Truth anymore.... we all know where it's going to go.
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really? because when I first became a christian, that is what I was taught. So, how many christians do not believe in the rapture and if they do not believe in the rapture, then what do they believe in??Originally posted by Chin Eng:there are many views to revelations.... rapture is just one of them. not all Christians believe in rapture.... or post and pre-tribulation.
having said that, I'd respectfully NOT post any arguments in Deeper Truth anymore.... we all know where it's going to go. -
Are you asking questions you already know the answer to bait responses?
Your question is so general, and I think it's unreasonable to ask one school of thought to speak for all others. But if it needs to be broken down, no, not all Christians believe in the Rapture anymore then all believe in the speaking of tounges, and no the Rapture is not explictly stated in the bible but is a teaching that is inferred by those schools who believe in it from certain verses.
And more importantly, the Rapture is treated probably more as an interesting fact or speculation then a key tenet of end-times thought, not any more remarkable then in which order things are going to take place and the like. Believing in the Rapture or not does not qualify or disqualify you from being a Christian in most schools of thought, and level-headed Christians are supposed to do what they are supposed to do instead of becoming hermits and waiting for the end-times.
That's all I'm gonna say, I am certainly not going to be involved in a potential discussion or argument that has been repeated ad nauseum since the whole idea started, for more information on the views regarding to rapture, please visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapture, but I think you have already known about all this and it is my opinion are just trying to find people ignorant enough to bait into and take apart in an argument. -
we were all taught many things when we were growing up. does not necessary mean that everyone teaches the same thing, and neither does it mean that we will continue to hold on to those teachings.Originally posted by breytonhartge:really? because when I first became a christian, that is what I was taught. So, how many christians do not believe in the rapture and if they do not believe in the rapture, then what do they believe in??
my church had a speaker once conducting a seminar on Revelations and the speaker did not even subscribe to an individual called the "anti-Christ".
I cannot comment on "what do they believe in" because like yourself, you have your own opinion as to what to believe and continue to hold that as the truth. -
sigh.... can't help but to agree with these couple of points.....Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:Are you asking questions you already know the answer to bait responses?
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That's all I'm gonna say, I am certainly not going to be involved in a potential discussion or argument that has been repeated ad nauseum since the whole idea started, for more information on the views regarding to rapture, please visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapture, but I think you have already known about all this and it is my opinion are just trying to find people ignorant enough to bait into and take apart in an argument.
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I am not trying to bait anyone into an arguement, just want a lively discussion of the pros and cons, but seeing as it is that no on eis interested, then, no point going on from here. I was taught that I would be raptured, but the more I read and understand, it seems we might not be... so there you go.Originally posted by Chin Eng:sigh.... can't help but to agree with these couple of points..... 
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so far, in Deeper Truth, there is NO such thing as lively discussion of pros and cons, just what you consider to be biblical and what is not. At the end of the day, when Christians attempt to offer their opinions, you'd just challenge it by saying that what you know is the TRUTH, so no way can there be any lively discussion.... just go ask anyone coming here... 'cept for maybe Jaffa...Originally posted by breytonhartge:I am not trying to bait anyone into an arguement, just want a lively discussion of the pros and cons, but seeing as it is that no on eis interested, then, no point going on from here. I was taught that I would be raptured, but the more I read and understand, it seems we might not be... so there you go. 
seriously, why do you think folks typically avoid posting here....? it's not the discussion itself, but the climate of discussion. -
you mean Yaffa.Originally posted by Chin Eng:so far, in Deeper Truth, there is NO such thing as lively discussion of pros and cons, just what you consider to be biblical and what is not. At the end of the day, when Christians attempt to offer their opinions, you'd just challenge it by saying that what you know is the TRUTH, so no way can there be any lively discussion.... just go ask anyone coming here... 'cept for maybe Jaffa...
seriously, why do you think folks typically avoid posting here....? it's not the discussion itself, but the climate of discussion. -
my bad.... I was thinking of the Jaffa oranges.... from Israel.... seriously...Originally posted by breytonhartge:you mean Yaffa. -
every forum is about putting forward an opinion, I say what I want to say and others may say different, and you know what?Originally posted by Chin Eng:so far, in Deeper Truth, there is NO such thing as lively discussion of pros and cons, just what you consider to be biblical and what is not. At the end of the day, when Christians attempt to offer their opinions, you'd just challenge it by saying that what you know is the TRUTH, so no way can there be any lively discussion.... just go ask anyone coming here... 'cept for maybe Jaffa...
seriously, why do you think folks typically avoid posting here....? it's not the discussion itself, but the climate of discussion.
I can only share what I know, whether you agree with me or not, then its up to you as to whether it gives you pause to go searching... -
i thought deeper truth about christianity? anyway, like what some1 upstair said, not every1 believe in rapture. maybe the raptured 1 will just be protected during the trials and tribulations.
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it is about Yeshua, and challenging conventional christianity...Originally posted by popmynutsy:i thought deeper truth about christianity? anyway, like what some1 upstair said, not every1 believe in rapture. maybe the raptured 1 will just be protected during the trials and tribulations. -
Not every forum is about putting forward an opinion.Originally posted by breytonhartge:every forum is about putting forward an opinion, I say what I want to say and others may say different, and you know what?
I can only share what I know, whether you agree with me or not, then its up to you as to whether it gives you pause to go searching...
"I think it's like that..." is an opinion
"I know it's like that because I read the Bible more, and I know I am right..." is not an opinion.
Let's just say that many people's opinion of Deeper Truth can be summarised by what T-rex has said..... and we all know that T-rex do not post much. -
Since when did I say I know its llike that because I read the bible more? don't put words in my mouth. Just because I have a very strong opinion about something, does not mean that it is anything more than that...Originally posted by Chin Eng:Not every forum is about putting forward an opinion.
"I think it's like that..." is an opinion
"I know it's like that because I read the Bible more, and I know I am right..." is not an opinion.
Let's just say that many people's opinion of Deeper Truth can be summarised by what T-rex has said..... and we all know that T-rex do not post much.
I have put forward that opinion as a point of difference to coventional christianity that is all.
CE, I don't want to argue with you any more... bye. -
no problem, just don't ask for other opinions when at the end of the day, the result is still the same - your forum your strong opinions prevail.Originally posted by breytonhartge:CE, I don't want to argue with you any more... bye. -
No offense taken, though it wouldn't be a bad thing if I owned the orchards of Jaffa oranges!!Originally posted by Chin Eng:my bad.... I was thinking of the Jaffa oranges.... from Israel.... seriously...
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I was always of the impression that this forum was to delve deeper into the Word regardless of popular Christian opinion. There are many of us out there who have gone down the whole Christian route, found out that some biblical truths are lacking, distorted or misunderstood by the church and have progressed further.Originally posted by Chin Eng:so far, in Deeper Truth, there is NO such thing as lively discussion of pros and cons, just what you consider to be biblical and what is not. At the end of the day, when Christians attempt to offer their opinions, you'd just challenge it by saying that what you know is the TRUTH, so no way can there be any lively discussion.... just go ask anyone coming here... 'cept for maybe Jaffa...
seriously, why do you think folks typically avoid posting here....? it's not the discussion itself, but the climate of discussion.
We should use this forum to share a different opinion from mainstream Christianity which I believe to a great extent has strayed from the Truth and the Word. Let's edify one another and not tear each other down. Whoever wants to know about mainstream Christianity is able to do so easily, but the converse is not so.
In order for lively discussions to be held, everyone has to post respectfully and in the right spirit.
There are people who are seeking more from our Father and really want to hear this point of view, so please let us not put them off by contributing to the "climate" of discussion.