Jogging is not as good as you think it is
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You choose to bury your face in the sand?What health benefits?Shrinkage of heart?Originally posted by eagle:As I have said, it is not about intervals. Intervals and jogging are 2 different things.
There's no need to meet up. Give yourself a year just on interval, then tell me how fast you run 4km by that time. I will do the same for myself, interval + 4km jogs.
But that's not the point! The point is that jogging do provide health benefits. Try to keep to your no jogging regime for another 30-40 yrs. Then you will see.
I can run 2.4km 11 mins flat and that was in april. -
I'm not talking about pathetically short distances like 2.4km. 11 mins isn't exactly fast. I did 10 mins 19 seconds, yet I consider myself slow. But take note, speed isn't the matter here. We are talking about health benefits.Originally posted by Simon Dean:You choose to bury your face in the sand?What health benefits?Shrinkage of heart?
I can run 2.4km 11 mins flat and that was in april.
Shrinkage of heart? Show me the statistics. Lots of bads? There are much more research and statistics that show that it is good!
Fact is, you are just plain lazy to jog, and you don't know the correct way of jogging, thus saying that it is bad. It's just like someone who is lazy to go to the gym, and do movements in the gym wrongly, then tell you gym is bad. I'm not advocating pure jogging, but rather, a multitude of exercises; jogging in conjunction with going to the gym, swimming, and interval training. -
Research from which year?Originally posted by eagle:I'm not talking about pathetically short distances like 2.4km. 11 mins isn't exactly fast. I did 10 mins 19 seconds, yet I consider myself slow. But take note, speed isn't the matter here. We are talking about health benefits.
Shrinkage of heart? Show me the statistics. Lots of bads? There are much more research and statistics that show that it is good!
Fact is, you are just plain lazy to jog, and you don't know the correct way of jogging, thus saying that it is bad. It's just like someone who is lazy to go to the gym, and do movements in the gym wrongly, then tell you gym is bad. I'm not advocating pure jogging, but rather, a multitude of exercises; jogging in conjunction with going to the gym, swimming, and interval training.
Just look at the death rates.You refuse to believe, wait for the next few marathons!
Fact is you can train your heart up without jogging for long distances like a dumbass. -
see the difference? I advocate 4km-6km and you want to list marathons as examples.Originally posted by Simon Dean:Research from which year?
Just look at the death rates.You refuse to believe, wait for the next few marathons!
Fact is you can train your heart up without jogging for long distances like a dumbass.
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eh, jogging has other benefits besides, "train your heart up"...Originally posted by Simon Dean:Research from which year?
Just look at the death rates.You refuse to believe, wait for the next few marathons!
Fact is you can train your heart up without jogging for long distances like a dumbass. -
Pyschological benefits i understand.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:eh, jogging has other benefits besides, "train your heart up"... -
still moreOriginally posted by Simon Dean:Pyschological benefits i understand. -
Its still accumulative over the years isn't it?Originally posted by eagle:see the difference? I advocate 4km-6km and you want to list marathons as examples.
Let's continue in the other thread. No point having 2 parallel threads
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You still don't understand, do you? There are so many professional bodybuilders who do jog too. The thing to note is, jogging is not their main form of exercise. It isn't yours, not mine too.Originally posted by Simon Dean:Its still accumulative over the years isn't it?
Again, I would just like to emphasize that it is how you jog that matters. Just like the way you managed to build your body successfully while others can go to the gym for years and looking no better. The way you train is effective. -
then, any ways to lose weight?
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What Simon wants to say, and what the article wants to say, is..... it is hard to lose fats by purely jogging alone. Interval training and training of movements are also important and helps you burn more efficiently.Originally posted by gigabyte14:then, any ways to lose weight?
The difference between our views is whether we should even jog at all. I believe when jogging correctly, it trains and benefits your body in a different way as compared to all the gym and interval training. He believes otherwise. -
They are also on IGF, MGF and other crap not saying no hard work is needed but bodies response differently.Originally posted by eagle:You still don't understand, do you? There are so many professional bodybuilders who do jog too. The thing to note is, jogging is not their main form of exercise. It isn't yours, not mine too.
Again, I would just like to emphasize that it is how you jog that matters. Just like the way you managed to build your body successfully while others can go to the gym for years and looking no better. The way you train is effective. -
Originally posted by Simon Dean:They are also on IGF, MGF and other crap not saying no hard work is needed but bodies response differently.
You saying no hard work is needed in jogging or? -
I love jogging and rope jumping and i do them almost ever week. I never once hitted the gym.
Might purely be based on perception but, when i compare myself with my friends (gym gooers), i am fitter (not stronger definitely).
I tried 2.4 and was able to do a 10 mins flat, but both my gym crazy friends gave up after 500 metres.
I cant do more weights, chin ups and strength intensive stuffs as much as them, but both failed their NAFA due to jogging, whereas i am able to hit a gold.
As much as both of them are fit in terms of strength, they were overweight, and have thick layers of fats below their muscles. they do grow in size, but still with the fats above their muscles.
One of them weighs 90 KG standing at around 1.75 and has around 22 body fats percentage
Another weighs 80+ KG and i heard that he has over 20 body fats percentage
I stand 170 and has around 11 body fats percentage
I feel very unfair for people who wants to lose weight by jogging and rope jumping.
IMO, rope jumping is the best exercise, followed by jogging.
Rope jumping not only helped me slimmed down, also gave me tonned arms, chest and it gave me my 6 pacs, which was not there before.
All kinds of exercises, esp for people who want to slim down, jogging and rope jumping will certainly bring them into a better condition for hitting the gyms. -
From my experience:
1. Jogging super long disance pains my knees
2. Running(not jogging) improves my 2.4 timing
3. HIIT, calisthenics, squats etc improves my 2.4 timing
4. I am not able to lose FATS doing calisthenics, HIIT alone, as effectively as with running
5. Gym really is a superb tool for weight loss, seriously, i swear by this.
Just from my experience only.
I also think that with different body types i.e endo, ecto, comes different training. -
Name one...Originally posted by eagle:You still don't understand, do you? There are so many professional bodybuilders who do jog too. The thing to note is, jogging is not their main form of exercise. It isn't yours, not mine too.
Again, I would just like to emphasize that it is how you jog that matters. Just like the way you managed to build your body successfully while others can go to the gym for years and looking no better. The way you train is effective. -
I will just list one article http://bodybuilding.com/fun/mahler37.htmOriginally posted by OPT:Name one... -
I have severely flat feet and I injured my knees before in my teens (went to physical therapy, though it didn't help that much).
All I know is that - for me - jogging still HURTS my knees, shins, feet and waist.
Squats, deadlifts, and other compund movements DO NOT. -
that's interesting. Just a few questionsOriginally posted by comberbache:I have severely flat feet and I injured my knees before in my teens (went to physical therapy, though it didn't help that much).
All I know is that - for me - jogging still HURTS my knees, shins, feet and waist.
Squats, deadlifts, and other compund movements DO NOT.
1) Which part of your feet do you land while jogging?
2) How high do you "bounce" up while jogging?
3) What's your speed when jogging?
Btw, the original point of the thread is interval vs normal jogging, not compound movements vs jogging. -
oops. my bad - sorry about the compund movement part. hehe.Originally posted by eagle:that's interesting. Just a few questions
1) Which part of your feet do you land while jogging?
2) How high do you "bounce" up while jogging?
3) What's your speed when jogging?
Btw, the original point of the thread is interval vs normal jogging, not compound movements vs jogging.
1) I try to land on the outside of my feet, but since I have very flat feet the tendency is to pronate inwards. I wear flat feet inserts in my shoes, and they help alot, but it's not a perfect solution. (Whether that's the shoes' fault, or the insert's fault, or my fault - I don't know).
2) I never measured the "bounce" before.
3) Actually, I haven't seriously jogged in a while (running to catch the subway doesn't count, right?). Back when I was in the Army, the speed varied considerably. -
If ever you would want to try jogging again, you can start first on a treadmill. What you can do is to consciously try to land on the whole foot. Try not to "bounce" too high, for it is inefficient, and put lots of strain on your joints. Try instead to "stride". Lean slightly forward so that you utilise gravity to help you jog.Originally posted by comberbache:oops. my bad - sorry about the compund movement part. hehe.
1) I try to land on the outside of my feet, but since I have very flat feet the tendency is to pronate inwards. I wear flat feet inserts in my shoes, and they help alot, but it's not a perfect solution. (Whether that's the shoes' fault, or the insert's fault, or my fault - I don't know).
2) I never measured the "bounce" before.
3) Actually, I haven't seriously jogged in a while (running to catch the subway doesn't count, right?). Back when I was in the Army, the speed varied considerably.
Start slow to get a feel of the technique. Not that I'm very good at it, but I do consciously try to do these when I jog. -
Dont ever do the treadmill, biomechanics of running is totally different.
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agree biomechanics is differentOriginally posted by Simon Dean:Dont ever do the treadmill, biomechanics of running is totally different. -
Well, I'm aiming for hypertrophy now, so I don't think I'll be doing ANY cardio at all for a good, long while.Originally posted by eagle:If ever you would want to try jogging again, you can start first on a treadmill. What you can do is to consciously try to land on the whole foot. Try not to "bounce" too high, for it is inefficient, and put lots of strain on your joints. Try instead to "stride". Lean slightly forward so that you utilise gravity to help you jog.
Start slow to get a feel of the technique. Not that I'm very good at it, but I do consciously try to do these when I jog.
I have a naturally high metabolism (been skin and bones for most of my life) and when I begin cutting I'll probably be trying out HIIT in order to preserve muscle mass. Thanks for the advice, though. If I jog again, I'll keep that in mind. -
actually i forgot what 5bx is like
1) starjump
2) situp/crunch
3) pushup
What were the other exercises? I forgot haha, can't believe it, to think 5bx was the most siong part of basic training too, do until giddy.
Anyone remember ?
Btw SImon Dean, thanks for posting this training method up, i will try it, I am trying really hard to lose weight 29 atm, so like 10years since NS.Always been a big fan of low intensity cycling/running for long durations like 1 hour running, 2 hour cyclling.
Lately i notice there is no improvement at all, no wieght loss, and i am training like 5 times a week. Got me really worried in the fight against flab