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Frequently discontinued exercise plan due to boredomOriginally posted by Simon Dean:I was talking on the effect of the heart not on the joints.
This is already a clear indicator that those under their tests are not jogging consistently.
From the website you list:
"The cardiovascular system becomes adept at handling a 30-, 45-, or 60-minute jog, but it loses its ability to rapidly provide you with big bursts of energy for short periods. So instead of protecting your heart, you actually become more vulnerable to a heart attack."
'Intensity: Build Your Heart Capacity
How hard you exercise refers to intensity. It goes hand-in-hand with acceleration because it involves challenging your body to go a little faster and work a little hard each time you exercise. This is how you build your heart capacity. Most people believe that exercising longer increases the cardiovascular challenge. But the key is to exercise harder, not longer."
This research shows only that pure slow jogging that does not give enough intensity on the heart is not good. Jog faster! Open up your stride for a higher cardio challenge!
Even in the article,
"To reverse heart aging and disease and build cardiovascular vigor, you need entirely different strategies."
"You can restore youthful heart and lung capacity with the right exercise challenge. But it doesn't mean pounding out the miles on a treadmill or spinning your wheels for an hour on an exercise bike. Instead, you need short bursts of challenges with rests in between to restore and preserve heart capacity. "
Yes, you need to challenge your heart, because the heart is like a muscle. However, that does not mean jogging is not good! It is just that "your body responds by making the exertion more efficient." But how about jogging along with interval training and gym?
The main thing about your article is challenging the heart. It all depends on the person jogging, how much intensity he puts on his pace. I certainly do not advocate slow jogging because it is a waste of time and trains nothing much. Jogging right at the right intensity do gives you benefits. -
All the causes of heart failure at marathons are related to the research if you bother to find out actually.
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so you are talking about marathons and not jogging?
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exactly. This is what I'm saying. Furthermore, his article does not mention anything related to higher intensity jogging. He's only understanding what he wants to understand because it fits his excuse of not going to jog.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:so you are talking about marathons and not jogging? -
The heck should i jog for, it does not even fit my goal.Originally posted by eagle:exactly. This is what I'm saying. Furthermore, his article does not mention anything related to higher intensity jogging. He's only understanding what he wants to understand because it fits his excuse of not going to jog.
1)My sport has several rounds which lasts for 2 minutes.Does not even fit the bill.
2)Not planning to join a marathon
3)Limited time- i actually have to work to earn my allowance. -
Doesn't fit your goal and jogging being bad for health are two totally different things. You are claiming the 2nd, not the 1st. I will have nothing to say if you would just say it doesn't fit your goals because everyone is entitled to his/her own goals. As I have already pointed out, you had given everyone a misleading summary of the article at hand.Originally posted by Simon Dean:The heck should i jog for, it does not even fit my goal.
1)My sport has several rounds which lasts for 2 minutes.Does not even fit the bill.
2)Not planning to join a marathon
3)Limited time- i actually have to work to earn my allowance.
Not planning to join a marathon and limited time does not constitutes as an excuse. Your time wouldn't be more limited than mine if you have seen my schedule. Seriously, I can only sleep 6 hrs or more on fridays/weekends because of too much work, and yet manage the need/want of exercising.
May I know what is your sport? I make a guess, boxing (several short rounds)? -
Hmm..I did burpees, HIIT, etc, it all helps in my 2.4km run
I am an endormorph, and I think there are different ways in handling different body types.
I must say that if I did not go and physically run, and just did burpees HIIT all they way, I dont think I could pass the test.. -
This is simple - humans are not designed to jog - or run at mild pace.
Look at gait
Walking
Jogging
Running
Sprinting
Jogging and running and just the transition from walking to sprinting.
Look at biomechanics involved and the muscle makeup involved. I don't know why people are still holding to these beliefs?
Regarding people having heart attacks jogging compared to a marathon - the only reason you hear more about marathon runners dropping dead in reports is because these are major evens with the media present... think about it! If someone is jogging down the road and drops dead do you think the media cares.... but if someone drops dead during a marathon then it news.
I was involved in cardiac medicine and there were many cases that you would never even hear about - many non fatal. But if this information was tracked internationally you will see the trend. -
Jogging right at the right intensity do gives you benefits.[/b]
Name one... -
Why would you say that humans are not designed to jog?
http://www.newstarget.com/002497.html
http://discovermagazine.com/2006/may/tramps-like-us/article_view?b_start:int=0&-C=
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/11/1117_041117_running_humans.html
http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/running.htm
Or are you emphasizing on the 2 words mild pace?
Regarding the biomechanics, there are so much research that shows that humans are indeed born to jog.
There may be a multitude of reasons why some people drop dead during jogging, but there was never concrete evidence/research linking the two together. Following your argument, if someone were to die because of HIIT by the side of the road, would the media report it too? -
Mental endurance and concentration on the movements of your jogging style. Your heart is also more adept at beating at a higher, yet constant, intensity, rather than fast, then slow, as in interval training. It is a just a different type of training.Originally posted by OPT:Name one... -
Originally posted by eagle:
All the links are opinions and does not provide any actual peer reviewed studies to back up their claims.
Why would you say that humans are not designed to jog?
http://www.newstarget.com/002497.html
http://discovermagazine.com/2006/may/tramps-like-us/article_view?b_start:int=0&-C=
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/11/1117_041117_running_humans.html
http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/running.htm
Or are you emphasizing on the 2 words [b]mild pace?
Regarding the biomechanics, there are so much research that shows that humans are indeed born to jog.
There may be a multitude of reasons why some people drop dead during jogging, but there was never concrete evidence/research linking the two together. Following your argument, if someone were to die because of HIIT by the side of the road, would the media report it too?[/b]
We need to sprint (or run at fast pace) to hunt - the claim the we able able to run long distance so that or prey will eventually either drop dead or tire to the point we we can kill it is so stupid that it has to be funny and if you really need me to explain this then you need to do a lot more research.
you regards to the media reporting HIIT (or should we say short spints of exertion) - well lets take a look at media worthy events involving HIIT..... 100m Spint, 200m spint, actually most track and field events excluding the longer distance running (shotput, javelin, long jump...), gymnastics, well the list goes on but I'm sure you get my point.
I actually have the statics for the past 40 years of endurance sports Vs power sports in the Olympics and its relationship to health (in particular heart health) and one guess what these shows.... (if you want these stats then buy my new book). -
read my question - so what benefit does this provide.Originally posted by eagle:Mental endurance and concentration on the movements of your jogging style. Your heart is also more adept at beating at a higher, yet constant, intensity, rather than fast, then slow, as in interval training. It is a just a different type of training. -
Ok, I shall agree with you that endurance sports are not as good. But would you really call jogging for 4-6km an endurance event? For a jog of distance 4km that takes 20 mins or less?Originally posted by OPT:All the links are opinions and does not provide any actual peer reviewed studies to back up their claims.
We need to sprint (or run at fast pace) to hunt - the claim the we able able to run long distance so that or prey will eventually either drop dead or tire to the point we we can kill it is so stupid that it has to be funny and if you really need me to explain this then you need to do a lot more research.
you regards to the media reporting HIIT (or should we say short spints of exertion) - well lets take a look at media worthy events involving HIIT..... 100m Spint, 200m spint, actually most track and field events excluding the longer distance running (shotput, javelin, long jump...), gymnastics, well the list goes on but I'm sure you get my point.
I actually have the statics for the past 40 years of endurance sports Vs power sports in the Olympics and its relationship to health (in particular heart health) and one guess what these shows.... (if you want these stats then buy my new book).
if you want these stats then buy my new book
What's your book about? You sound like AndrewPKYap now -
with regards to the mental and heart side, i will put back the same question to you. What benefits does training muscles provide that jogging cannot provide?Originally posted by OPT:read my question - so what benefit does this provide.
Finally, I shall repeat this: I'm not saying that jogging should be the only form of exercise in an exercise program/schedule. I'm saying that it is good to fit it into an exercise schedule. Running slowly for long distances is useless (unless probably when just starting out). One must run at a higher intensity so as to challenge the body in a different manner. I would say <25 mins of higher intensity jogging, a time that many aerobics pple would claim is too short a time. Also, jogging along with HIIT would help immensely in the training for IPPT, and not just HIIT alone. -
Ok I will name one (I have a list a mile long)Originally posted by eagle:with regards to the mental and heart side, i will put back the same question to you. What benefits does training muscles provide that jogging cannot provide?
Increase pump volume -
Originally posted by eagle:
These stats takes up 11 pages..... not something I am going to post.
Ok, I shall agree with you that endurance sports are not as good. But would you really call jogging for 4-6km an endurance event? For a jog of distance 4km that takes 20 mins or less?
[b]if you want these stats then buy my new book What's your book about? You sound like AndrewPKYap now [/b] -
pump volume with regards to the mental and heart side? hmmm.... Muscles building wise, of course jogging wouldn't have much of an effect...Originally posted by OPT:Ok I will name one (I have a list a mile long)
Increase pump volume -
Increased pump volume of the heart.... btw this is a good thing.Originally posted by eagle:pump volume with regards to the mental and heart side? hmmm.... Muscles building wise, of course jogging wouldn't have much of an effect... -
Well, jogging can regulate pump volume of the heart.Originally posted by OPT:Increased pump volume of the heart.... btw this is a good thing.
In addition, it helps you in your understanding of your body's centre of gravity.
add one more:
http://www.medicinenet.com/running/page3.htm
"As you get more aerobically fit, your heart will pump more blood and oxygen with each beat (this is called "stroke volume") and your muscles will extract (or consume) more oxygen."
Perhaps the pump volume would be less, that I wouldn't know. However, it will still increase. -
No point being smart ass about terms - if you want me to use technical terms then you wouldn't understand this is why I always water down my posts or if you prefer I could post like that in the future - just don't expect me to spend time explaining.Originally posted by eagle:Well, jogging can regulate pump volume of the heart.
In addition, it helps you in your understanding of your body's centre of gravity.
add one more:
http://www.medicinenet.com/running/page3.htm
"As you get more aerobically fit, your heart will pump more blood and oxygen with each beat (this is called "stroke volume") and your muscles will extract (or consume) more oxygen."
Perhaps the pump volume would be less, that I wouldn't know. However, it will still increase.
This increases has been shown at intensity of 62% MHR to be an only 11% increaese where intensity at 87% shown an increase of 38%.
Now when it comes to resistance training we did a test (only small group) and we increased "stroke volume" by 53% over an 7% increase in the aerobic group. -
About the technical terms, I had just copied and paste, forgetting that others may not understand it. I apologize for that.Originally posted by OPT:No point being smart ass about terms - if you want me to use technical terms then you wouldn't understand this is why I always water down my posts or if you prefer I could post like that in the future - just don't expect me to spend time explaining.
This increases has been shown at intensity of 62% MHR to be an only 11% increaese where intensity at 87% shown an increase of 38%.
Now when it comes to resistance training we did a test (only small group) and we increased "stroke volume" by 53% over an 7% increase in the aerobic group.
Well, the difference you mentioned is in terms of amount. It is not as if aerobics do not provide such benefits, but rather, a lower amount.
Just a question of yes and no. Do you agree that jogging trains the body in a different manner as compared to interval? If yes, there's no need for us to continue because that is what I want to mean. -
biomechanics yes that is simple but also the point because the difference is too many - and no + so whats the point.
I have seen it mess so many people up as far as biomechanics are concerned.
I trains differently but in a bad way so how can you even compare. -
Regarding the biomechanics part, it is sadly true, especially for people who goes for quick-fix solution and thus tends to not put more focus on the technique. However, the same goes for bad form while lifting weights right?Originally posted by OPT:biomechanics yes that is simple but also the point because the difference is too many - and no + so whats the point.
I have seen it mess so many people up as far as biomechanics are concerned.
I trains differently but in a bad way so how can you even compare.
This was why I said about chi running in an earlier post. It is a form of running which you utilise your body mass to run more efficiently, and to put less stress on your joints by not landing as hard on your feet. -
Do you really want me to start on CHI running....???