what about the weights, are they the same? when using barbell does it alr include the weight of the bar itself?Originally posted by Xtrider:wat do u mean? for both machine and barbell? yea..but barbell is harder caz need to balance..
Care to elaborate? Does that mean we need to go lower in bench pressing?Originally posted by OPT:It could be technique
wat do u mean? im sure my technique is correct...elbows open about 45degree from body and shoulder width handgrip...Originally posted by OPT:It could be technique
yes..usually barbell's weight is 20kg..i dun think assisted press's bar is significant..Originally posted by tut4nkh4m3n:what about the weights, are they the same? when using barbell does it alr include the weight of the bar itself?
U use assisted one? Or free barbell...Originally posted by Xtrider:yes..usually barbell's weight is 20kg..i dun think assisted press's bar is significant..
Thats called smith machine, the most i would say is 5kg.CANT be weightless, in science we learn everything has weight.Originally posted by eagle:U use assisted one?
A bench press without the smith machine utilizes more muscles. This is why it is harder. Those muscles are the ones which stablises your barbell; control shaking left and right, up and down.Originally posted by Simon Dean:Thats called smith machine, the most i would say is 5kg.CANT be weightless, in science we learn everything has weight.
There are smith machines that are NOT counter-weighted and feel like the real thing, i have used them in the past before.
I dont use the smith now though.
I beg to differOriginally posted by eagle:But smith machines are safer... I guess...
You should go as far as possible to the chest.Or at least 90%.Originally posted by eagle:Care to elaborate? Does that mean we need to go lower in bench pressing?
I'm rather unsure about this part too...
less swinging by beginners... why not?Originally posted by Simon Dean:I beg to differ
So what if there's less swinging? They'll never learn HOW to control the swinging by engaging the stabilizers if all they do is smith press. There's very limited carryover to the real thing. If you wanna get it right, get it right from the start, even if it means using just a 10kg barbell.Originally posted by eagle:less swinging by beginners... why not?
This is very true...Originally posted by galapogos:So what if there's less swinging? They'll never learn HOW to control the swinging by engaging the stabilizers if all they do is smith press. There's very limited carryover to the real thing. If you wanna get it right, get it right from the start, even if it means using just a 10kg barbell.
Hmmm... new info to me... I don't really like smith machine anyway...Originally posted by galapogos:Besides, the smith machine(and any other non-cable machine) damages your joints over time. This horse has been beaten to death yet now and then people still come in and say the smith is safer...
thanks!Originally posted by OPT:
wat u mean by that? back muscles?Originally posted by manyu882:hey i agree with OPT. try gripping it very hard( using your back muscle to grip). it helps me to break through my Bp record
Your feet should be planted on the floor at all timesOriginally posted by Xtrider:wat they mean by driving urself into the bench? maybe tts my problem...thx!