Let's talk movements not muscles

• OPT

  30 Dec 06, 09:40

  When you are looking at selecting exercises don't base it on muscles that are being trained, rather look at movement patterns. If I am talking to a coach or training and they start talking about what muscles they are training and not what movements I know that they don't know much.
  
  here are a list that you should be thinking about.
  
  Horizontal Push
  Horizontal Pull
  Vertical Push
  Vertical Pull
  Quad Dominant
  Hip Dominant
  Accessories (knee/elbow dominant, etc.)
  
  There needs to be a balance between all theses movements.
  
  Think about is then post any questions.
  
  
• Marco_Simone

  30 Dec 06, 09:42

  Which movement pattern do pullovers fall under?
• OPT

  30 Dec 06, 09:45

  I would class the as an accessory but under vertical pull - think about the same action standing....
• Simon Dean

  30 Dec 06, 21:32

  movements like clean and jerk, clean and press a variety of different movements right?
• OPT

  30 Dec 06, 22:54

  Originally posted by Simon Dean:

  movements like clean and jerk, clean and press a variety of different movements right?

  Clean can be regarded ar hip dom - everything else combo like you said.
  
  clean press = hip dom + vertical push
• borntolive

  31 Dec 06, 17:44

  Originally posted by OPT:

  When you are looking at selecting exercises don't base it on muscles that are being trained, rather look at movement patterns. If I am talking to a coach or training and they start talking about what muscles they are training and not what movements I know that they don't know much.
  
  here are a list that you should be thinking about.
  
  Horizontal Push
  Horizontal Pull
  Vertical Push
  Vertical Pull
  Quad Dominant
  Hip Dominant
  Accessories (knee/elbow dominant, etc.)
  
  There needs to be a balance between all theses movements.
  
  Think about is then post any questions.
  
  

  err wad does this means?...for e.g if u do 3 hori push n must to 3 hori pull within the same workout day? that means its hori pull then push then pull then push n so on?
• Marco_Simone

  31 Dec 06, 17:48

  Originally posted by borntolive:

  err wad does this means?...for e.g if u do 3 hori push n must to 3 hori pull within the same workout day? that means its hori pull then push then pull then push n so on?

  i tink 1 horizontal push+1 horizontal pull enough for 1 session.
• Marco_Simone

  31 Dec 06, 17:49

  Vertical push=military press,dips???
• OPT

  31 Dec 06, 17:56

  A few questions to answer here...
  
  You don't have to do all in the same workout....
  
  Lets say you use a 3 day split
  
  Day 1
  Horizontal Push, Vertical Push, Accessories
  
  Day 2
  Quad Dominant, Hip Dominant, Accessories
  
  Day 3
  Horizontal Pull, Vertical Pull, Accessories
  
  Now there should be a balance here - esspecially between movements on the same plane - eg. horizontal.
  
  Now, for Dips.... if you analize the biomechanics it's actually horizontal push, vertical push could be military press.
• Marco_Simone

  31 Dec 06, 17:58

  Originally posted by OPT:
  
  Day 2
  Quad Dominant, Hip Dominant, Accessories
  
  

  Squat and DL in the same workout???
• borntolive

  31 Dec 06, 19:39

  ok some important qns
  
  then is it always necessary to stick for e,g 1 hori pull, push ,pull ,push..can do 2 diff hori pull, 2 diff hori push etc? or even 3?
  
  
• OPT

  31 Dec 06, 19:48

  you can perform more that one exercise for each movement pattern as long as you keep balance...
  
  But the above program - if you do correctly, you will find tough enough and provide more than enough stimulation.
  
  If not come in to my gym - I'll take you through it and see if you are standing at the end!
  
  
• dranoel maxwell

  10 Jan 07, 21:52

  just wanna ask a qns what is donkey calf raises under?
• Marco_Simone

  10 Jan 07, 22:09

  Originally posted by dranoel maxwell:

  just wanna ask a qns what is donkey calf raises under?

  smells like an accessory to me
• OPT

  14 Jan 07, 21:26

  Originally posted by dranoel maxwell:

  just wanna ask a qns what is donkey calf raises under?

  accessory