When am I considered an intermediate trainer?
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Some of you may have asked this question...Nope,it is not determined by how long you have been training...
You are considered an intermediate trainer when you can do at least 5 reps of the following exercises in decent form:
Squat: 140kg
Deadlift(off the floor):180kg
Bench press:90kg
Weighted dips:40kg
Bent over row:100kg
Weighted chin up:50kg
Military press:bodyweight
Some of us may really have shi-tty genetics,so you can give and take 10-15kg from the figures...
The average trainer who trains hard and consistently,eats decently and rest adequately should attain these figures in 1.5-2 years...
Even if you have been training for 5 years but your squat is only 60kg,you are still considered a beginner....
Well,using these figures as a gauge,I'm still a beginner! -
wats above intermediate?
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Well I'm way above all those numbers...
So what does that make me?
To be honest this is a load of crap - I personally know many of the worldÂ’s top strength and conditioning coaches and they don't do these numbers.
I think that the "personal trainer" should look that part but remember everyone has different goals.
What makes a good trainer? For the novice gym user this could be very difficult to determine as when someone has no knowledge can be easily taken in by anyone with a good act.
Do certifications mean anything? To be honest, not really, as most of these exams are beyond basic and often taken online with open book. Do get me wrong – there are some good certifications out there, I just don’t think they can be obtained over the internet. -
Bro,"trainer" in this case refers to anyone hitting the weights,it could be you,it could be me.It could be the 16 year old boy next door...aiming for a 200lb deadlift in 3 months time...Originally posted by OPT:Well I'm way above all those numbers...
So what does that make me?
To be honest this is a load of crap - I personally know many of the world’s top strength and conditioning coaches and they don't do these numbers.
I think that the "personal trainer" should look that part but remember everyone has different goals.
What makes a good trainer? For the novice gym user this could be very difficult to determine as when someone has no knowledge can be easily taken in by anyone with a good act.
Do certifications mean anything? To be honest, not really, as most of these exams are beyond basic and often taken online with open book. Do get me wrong – there are some good certifications out there, I just don’t think they can be obtained over the internet.
You misinterprete it as "personal trainer"...I have nothing with regards to personal trainer when I started this thread...
If you are already hitting numbers above this,then you are advanced liao??? -
today i do some bench press, tink oni 40 kg
then when i got up i start to see stars... -
my bad...
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I started with 2 10kg dumbbells for bench press when I first started...Why worry so much???Originally posted by pierre^^:today i do some bench press, tink oni 40 kg
then when i got up i start to see stars...
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im an absolute beginnerOriginally posted by Marco_Simone:Some of you may have asked this question...Nope,it is not determined by how long you have been training...
You are considered an intermediate trainer when you can do at least 5 reps of the following exercises in decent form:
Squat: 140kg
Deadlift(off the floor):180kg
Bench press:90kg
Weighted dips:40kg
Bent over row:100kg
Weighted chin up:50kg
Military press:bodyweight those numbers would be a gd aim 
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Honestly i think that the weighted chinups and dips are a little too far.Because i have seen strong greats like this Japanese bber who struggles with a 70kg dip and hes advanced(at least 500lb in each of the big three).
180kg is also a little bit too much
90kg bench is acheiveable
I belive your gauge is for more heavyweights though. -
today i ask the gym staff to teach me do squats
i do the barbell 20 kg (No weights one just the bar)
later i go down the stairs hor
I got wobbly legs haha
ache like hell sia
almost in a crawling stage when descending from stairs -
Yes,some people can bench a lot but fail to perform on basic moving through space exercises like dips and chin ups...Originally posted by Simon Dean:Honestly i think that the weighted chinups and dips are a little too far.Because i have seen strong greats like this Japanese bber who struggles with a 70kg dip and hes advanced(at least 500lb in each of the big three).
180kg is also a little bit too much
90kg bench is acheiveable
I belive your gauge is for more heavyweights though.
You can gouge yourself to a heart attack on Big Macs 4x a day and yet bench 400lb. But if your bodyfat levels are high,you can forget about doing well in dips and chins,hence I feel that these two exercises are a better gauge of overall fitness and strength.
I am now up to 22.5kg x 5 reps on weighted chin ups...from 10kg on the 2nd day of October...I am aiming for 40kg by New Year's Eve(optimistic target) or Chinese New Year Eve(not so optimistic target)
The trick is to keep your bodyfat levels down and train frequently-I do chins 3X/week... -
Pullups: A Matter of FunctionOriginally posted by Marco_Simone:Yes,some people can bench a lot but fail to perform on basic moving through space exercises like dips and chin ups...
You can gouge yourself to a heart attack on Big Macs 4x a day and yet bench 400lb. But if your bodyfat levels are high,you can forget about doing well in dips and chins,hence I feel that these two exercises are a better gauge of overall fitness and strength.
John Allstadt
Take a look around the majority of gyms in America , and what will you see?
Guys bench pressing. Guys incline pressing. Guys working their chest and arms into a state of non-functional pump. Some of these characters can even bench press decent weights without the aid of support gear (although, if I were they, I wouldn't go bragging to any power lifters). In fact, bench presses above and beyond 300 pounds are almost common in the commercial gyms of today.
You know what I say to that? I say whoopadeedo. Who cares? What can these guys deadlift? What can they squat? What can they clean, or overhead press, or snatch with dumbbells or barbells or, God forbid, kettlebells? What can these guys lift in any of the numerous lifts that require true functional strength? Last but certainly not least, what can these guys pullup or chin?
The unfortunate answer to all of these questions is-diddley squat.
(Please understand that I mean no offense to powerlifters. A big bench press can be an impressive thing in CONJUNCTION with lifts that display all-around power, such as the deadlift or squat. One-trick ponies do not impress me, particularly when it comes to the bench press.)
Let's focus on what are possibly the simplest of the aforementioned lifts: pullups and chins. I have personally witnessed 300+ pound bench pressers failing to do a set of 5 measly pullups. For that matter, I know of one man who can incline press 400 pounds (400!), yet who, on being coaxed into a set of pullups, hit failure at three reps. Three reps! This is a pathetic state of affairs.
It wasn't always this way. Consider the following pullup and chinup performances of some of the strength game's true greats. John Grimek and Olympic lifting legend John Davis could both chin themselves six or seven times with EITHER ARM, at bodyweights of around 200 pounds. Eugene Sandow could perform a one-arm chin with ANY ONE OF HIS TEN FINGERS, at a bodyweight of around 190. Marvin Eder could perform 11 one-arm pullups at a bodyweight of no less than 195, and also do 80 (that's right, 80) consecutive two-arm pullups. For you smaller guys, consider the many gymnasts out there who can perform numerous one-arm pullups, or even more frightening, the rock climbers of today who can chin themselves with as much as 150% of bodyweight.... with ONE arm! And of course, for you really big guys, think about this: Bert Assarti, a strength legend from the early 1940's, could chin himself three times with either arm at a bodyweight of 265 pounds! Mr. Assarti could also do a two-arm pullup with over 200 pounds of additional weight strapped to his body. Keep in mind that all of these performances were done well before anabolic steroids reared their ugly heads. -
Originally posted by Marco_Simone:
fierce.
[b]Pullups: A Matter of Function
John Allstadt
Take a look around the majority of gyms in America , and what will you see?
Guys bench pressing. Guys incline pressing. Guys working their chest and arms into a state of non-functional pump. Some of these characters can even bench press decent weights without the aid of support gear (although, if I were they, I wouldn't go bragging to any power lifters). In fact, bench presses above and beyond 300 pounds are almost common in the commercial gyms of today.
You know what I say to that? I say whoopadeedo. Who cares? What can these guys deadlift? What can they squat? What can they clean, or overhead press, or snatch with dumbbells or barbells or, God forbid, kettlebells? What can these guys lift in any of the numerous lifts that require true functional strength? Last but certainly not least, what can these guys pullup or chin?
The unfortunate answer to all of these questions is-diddley squat.
(Please understand that I mean no offense to powerlifters. A big bench press can be an impressive thing in CONJUNCTION with lifts that display all-around power, such as the deadlift or squat. One-trick ponies do not impress me, particularly when it comes to the bench press.)
Let's focus on what are possibly the simplest of the aforementioned lifts: pullups and chins. I have personally witnessed 300+ pound bench pressers failing to do a set of 5 measly pullups. For that matter, I know of one man who can incline press 400 pounds (400!), yet who, on being coaxed into a set of pullups, hit failure at three reps. Three reps! This is a pathetic state of affairs.
It wasn't always this way. Consider the following pullup and chinup performances of some of the strength game's true greats. John Grimek and Olympic lifting legend John Davis could both chin themselves six or seven times with EITHER ARM, at bodyweights of around 200 pounds. Eugene Sandow could perform a one-arm chin with ANY ONE OF HIS TEN FINGERS, at a bodyweight of around 190. Marvin Eder could perform 11 one-arm pullups at a bodyweight of no less than 195, and also do 80 (that's right, 80) consecutive two-arm pullups. For you smaller guys, consider the many gymnasts out there who can perform numerous one-arm pullups, or even more frightening, the rock climbers of today who can chin themselves with as much as 150% of bodyweight.... with ONE arm! And of course, for you really big guys, think about this: Bert Assarti, a strength legend from the early 1940's, could chin himself three times with either arm at a bodyweight of 265 pounds! Mr. Assarti could also do a two-arm pullup with over 200 pounds of additional weight strapped to his body. Keep in mind that all of these performances were done well before anabolic steroids reared their ugly heads.[/b]
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the basic idea is that 50kg seems a little far fetched ..
look at captnj.blogspot.com
hes a coach, trained for 7 years yet can do 40kg chinups 5 reps only.
but frankly i find some of the numbers thrown there absurb as not everyone is in the same weightclass.Things like diet.. are also not taken into account
Got a friend 60kg who can dead 130kg for reps, trained for 3 years.But according to this gauge, he is considered a beginner? -
My best that I have ever done was a single with 110kg at a bodyweright of 108kg with strict form from a complete hanging start. However i've not done that again since having a serious shoulder injury.
It's somthing that you need to work hard at but it is possible to get some impressive weights.
You are right about those numbers... not everyones goal is to get bigger or stronger. Some just want to look better or perform better in their sport and not all sports require this level of strength however it wouldn't hurt for most. -
Honestly, you don't need to be genetically blessed to be strong...
Some people are stronger in some areas and weaker in others!
THe little post simone gave is a good goal to aim towards! it kind makes you an all rounder! -
I am still a beginner...
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Refer to my first post-I say you can give and take 10-15kg from the figures for the big lifts because people have different bone build,different starting strength levels.Originally posted by Simon Dean:the basic idea is that 50kg seems a little far fetched ..
look at captnj.blogspot.com
hes a coach, trained for 7 years yet can do 40kg chinups 5 reps only.
but frankly i find some of the numbers thrown there absurb as not everyone is in the same weightclass.Things like diet.. are also not taken into account
Got a friend 60kg who can dead 130kg for reps, trained for 3 years.But according to this gauge, he is considered a beginner?
Hence eg deadlift,you need not reach 180kg,if you are small boned with long limbs,maybe you can subtract 15kg from it. 160+kg is still very impressive especially in the local context. -
I only want to train up to have the body-types of soccer players....like drogba or cannavaro...because i often play soccer and if too heavy, can't run that fast also...
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Ave you seen the average Olympic sprinter?Originally posted by JuanRomanRiquelme:I only want to train up to have the body-types of soccer players....like drogba or cannavaro...because i often play soccer and if too heavy, can't run that fast also...