Do you like big hook??
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what's power bowling?
when i first bought my ball, it shocked me coz from rightmost arrow it went into the left gutter 3/4 of the way there... had to control it.. then dunno why, maybe the lane wasn't oiled properly that day, now it hooks normally
mostly, i have a "pariah" method...
sometimes a normal sedate hook which sometimes i have difficulty controlling.. sometimes when it works, it's fun
if it gets too erratic, i go pick up a 9lb or 10lb house ball and spin the ball.. more consistent and just as fun
i don't post high scores at all.. but when things come together (rarely) it's around the 200 region... but it's not consistent coz i'd rather be clowning around and having fun rather than concentrate
i think for casual bowlers like myself, it's more about company and fun -
power bowling is like cranking la, but it has a slightly different technique that involves breaking the wrist when releasing the ball, which uses gravity to increase the RPM instead of the traditional lifting of fingers. It is a relatively new term that came into the bowling world for mayb 2 3 years back.Originally posted by the Bear:what's power bowling?
when i first bought my ball, it shocked me coz from rightmost arrow it went into the left gutter 3/4 of the way there... had to control it.. then dunno why, maybe the lane wasn't oiled properly that day, now it hooks normally
mostly, i have a "pariah" method...
sometimes a normal sedate hook which sometimes i have difficulty controlling.. sometimes when it works, it's fun
if it gets too erratic, i go pick up a 9lb or 10lb house ball and spin the ball.. more consistent and just as fun
i don't post high scores at all.. but when things come together (rarely) it's around the 200 region... but it's not consistent coz i'd rather be clowning around and having fun rather than concentrate
i think for casual bowlers like myself, it's more about company and fun
anyway the erratic behavior is usually due to different oil condition on the lanes. Balls behave differently on different oil condition, some balls are for light oil, some are for heavy oil. If you use a strong heavy oil ball on a light oil condition, and with some decent release, the ball will hook like nobody's business. -
... it has a slightly different technique that involves breaking the wrist when releasing the ball ...
This is termed "Loading and Unloading".
Loosely, loading means that prior to entering the leverage position at the bottom of the swing, the bowler cups their wrist to position their hand under the ball.
The unloading action is executed during and throughout the entire release. From a fully (or partially, depending on how much hook is required) cupped position, the wrist flattens to a straight position and proceeds smoothly to a broken position. This entire action is very quick in real-time.... which uses gravity to increase the RPM instead of the traditional lifting of fingers ...
I'm not sure about gravity effects, but unloading at any time during a release is generally a method to increase the amount of leverage one can get onto the ball.
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This method defies the widely-held notion that "broken wrists = weak release; cupped wrist = big hook" that many regular bowlers have. While that may be true, the action of unloading mid-release imparts more action to the ball; similar to the way an animal trainer cracks a whip (after whippping, the arm always returns like a recoiling motion).
If you can't picture this, don't worry - its normal. The loading and unloading method is very difficult to understand and harder to learn, let alone master. That is why its generally acknowledged as an advanced technique.
For those who wish, try to get your hands on some video clips of the PBA bowler Chris Barnes. He's widely known as the most famous / accomplished practitioner of this technique in the professional leagues. He uses this method on ALL his first shots, and breaks his wrist all the way for spare or fuller shots.
In Singapore, Shaun Ng is the best in the business, in my opinion. If he's still bowling, you can watch him.
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ya, it is actually not easy to understand, let alone to do or perfect it. When i started learning, even after demo by my coach, i stil did not quite get it. it is like totally different from conventional hook bowling. Anyway, this so called unloading is wat some people would name as "hitting" the ball.Originally posted by harmzuay:I'm not sure about gravity effects, but unloading at any time during a release is generally a method to increase the amount of leverage one can get onto the ball.
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In conventional hook bowling, we rely on cupped wrist, then as we release, our fingers will lift the ball, creating revolutions. In power bowling, after about 9 months of learning looking and asking, this is wat i have comprehend. From a cupped position, when approaching the lowest point, you will "hit" the ball, or break your wrist, this will impart a sudden impulse to the ball, causing it to fall from the hand real fast due to gravity. at the same time your hand will follow through, causing the ball to come off the fingers, and this action will impart tremendous amount of revolutions on the ball. this is slightly different from lifting the fingering, instead, here is letting the ball slip off from the fingers. Anyway to do this you need to have forward pitch for your thumb, which will cause the thumb to exit before the fingers do. I say again, this is not easy to visualise. And only a few coach in Singapore know how to teach this technique. -
Hi enginboi,
Can you recommend those few coaches who can teach the technique well.
Perhaps, we could organise a mini gathering and have some fun together ya?
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hmm....not really nice to quote coaches directly, i will pm youOriginally posted by Spook:Hi enginboi,
Can you recommend those few coaches who can teach the technique well.
Perhaps, we could organise a mini gathering and have some fun together ya? -
sorry , i think this is a bit out of the initial discussion, but
do u guys think that it'll be a good idea to have a mini gathering, or get a very good coach to give us bowlers a refreshment course, eg. to update us of the game, correction of mistakes etc? then maybe like a 1 or 2 days session etc? -
feels so good to read (and imagine) about bowling stuff again....
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huh a bowling forum? Good. I sometimes release the ball high and far and it drops with a big bang on the runway.... hmmm is that considered rude? Will it damage the runway? Do onlookers look at me with disgust?
I bowl like a couple of times a decade. -
talking about hook, it was hilarious the last 2 times i went bowling...
i went to a bowling alley where the lanes were almost bone dry... my bloody ball went from the rightmost dot on the lane, to the rightmost arrow and then the ball bit and thundered into the left gutter, had to adjust like mad...
then, a few days ago, in my org bowling league, the bloody lanes were so impregnated with oil, the ball just kept going straight.. you could see the ball rotating in the axis and direction it was supposed to go but it kept going straight!
finally, released ball one spot right of the 1-pin and the ball hit the 1-3 pocket consistently
we were all laughing like mad and having a great time there
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It's called lofting (or loafing? loafting?) Bad for the lanes, may offend other bowlers. But some says it helps get the ball down dry heads.Originally posted by casino_king:huh a bowling forum? Good. I sometimes release the ball high and far and it drops with a big bang on the runway.... hmmm is that considered rude? Will it damage the runway? Do onlookers look at me with disgust?
I bowl like a couple of times a decade.
Had seem people who throw the ball so high that it lands on the lane about midway down. -
Generally I prefer oily lanes.Originally posted by the Bear:talking about hook, .... my org bowling league, the bloody lanes were so impregnated with oil, the ball just kept going straight.. .....
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basically lofting is not style of bowling.... to loft means that u want the ball to go straighter... by the law of physics u have already converted part of your energy imparted to the ball to sound energy that is the reason y when ppl loft there is always a loud thud, at times u may offend another bowler but if the person understand y u do that i tink he will not be angry anymore....secondly modern bowling A.K.A power bowling.. it is to make use of the gravity and comfort zones of your body to bowl... if u r in a position that u r most comfortable with u wun stray off this increase consistency and accuracy. modern release is taught known as "turn and lift" it is a modern release which help in increasing RPM and the reason y we need RPM is because it can increase the chances of strikes. with enough RPM Pin actions and cover the Pin deck area twice thus it increases the chances of strike conventional release is lift and turn this release had been stopped for many years because it caused many injuries and it actually ended some ppl's bowling career... lastly why pearlised ball pick up roll later is because a pearlise ball is hardern and shiny it has more rolling resistance. lastly a pin in ball does not hook less than a pin out ball... in fact a pin in ball can hook more than a pin out ball....the reason engniboi got that ball that hook less is because it might be a beginners ball like a tornado(ebonite) it has no core and a weak coverstock thus it is a ball that do not hook that much. if not then i tink they have given u the wrong drilling that actually reduces the potential of the ball....
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wow, thats pretty impressive!! really glad to have you sharing your views and info. Anyway the "pin in" ball i got is "The Rock Pearl" from columbia, suppose to be a high performance ball. Anyway the pin is positioned 1 inch directly below my ring finger, which is very very close to my PAP. I do know that the biggest influence on drilling is dist of pin fr PAP, in this case this pin is very close to my PAP, so mayb that explains why it hooks less. Dunno if it is really wrong drilling anot thou..Originally posted by mah:basically lofting is not style of bowling.... to loft means that u want the ball to go straighter... by the law of physics u have already converted part of your energy imparted to the ball to sound energy that is the reason y when ppl loft there is always a loud thud, at times u may offend another bowler but if the person understand y u do that i tink he will not be angry anymore....secondly modern bowling A.K.A power bowling.. it is to make use of the gravity and comfort zones of your body to bowl... if u r in a position that u r most comfortable with u wun stray off this increase consistency and accuracy. modern release is taught known as "turn and lift" it is a modern release which help in increasing RPM and the reason y we need RPM is because it can increase the chances of strikes. with enough RPM Pin actions and cover the Pin deck area twice thus it increases the chances of strike conventional release is lift and turn this release had been stopped for many years because it caused many injuries and it actually ended some ppl's bowling career... lastly why pearlised ball pick up roll later is because a pearlise ball is hardern and shiny it has more rolling resistance. lastly a pin in ball does not hook less than a pin out ball... in fact a pin in ball can hook more than a pin out ball....the reason engniboi got that ball that hook less is because it might be a beginners ball like a tornado(ebonite) it has no core and a weak coverstock thus it is a ball that do not hook that much. if not then i tink they have given u the wrong drilling that actually reduces the potential of the ball.... -
i want to make some ammendments to wad i have written the other time... LOFTING IS A STYLE OF BOWLING....but anywae i cannot judge ur drilling by the looks of the pin and cg...but i dare to say many pro shops in singapore still give the drilling that actually reduces the potential of the ball... if u all are able to hold of a drilling instructions by ebonite (esp The One drilling instructions) there will be a section that states a wrong drilling and tell proshops not to follow that drilling....but anywae i'm a ebonite user...tried hammer but didn't quite like the ball... others are not so trustworthy....
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his son got 4 or 5 perfect game under his belt, and he is only 19. envy envy...haha....he used to play conventional hook when he was young, then change to spinner during sec and finally power bowling at poly.
he got 1 perfect recently and that adds to his personal data and in total he got 5 perfect games... 2 from spinner and 3 from hook... it onli took him 2 years to master hook lah... btw enginboi are u a student under him and his father... if u are pls PM mi.... -
ok i'll pm you.Originally posted by mah:he got 1 perfect recently and that adds to his personal data and in total he got 5 perfect games... 2 from spinner and 3 from hook... it onli took him 2 years to master hook lah... btw enginboi are u a student under him and his father... if u are pls PM mi....