Arguement of the topic Mary
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I seen so many people arguing. Mary gave birth to Jesus but she is definitely NOT the mother of Jesus. She is just a virgin body accepted and used by God to bring Jesus to the world.
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yes, totally correct!
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MC raise hand.
Sir, then i don't understand the scriptures. Can you help me with these verses?
In KJV
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Luke
1:15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.
1:43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
2:34 And Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother, Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against;
2:43 And when they had fulfilled the days, as they returned, the child Jesus tarried behind in Jerusalem; and Joseph and his mother knew not of it.
2:48 And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing.
2:51 And he went down with them, and came to Nazareth, and was subject unto them: but his mother kept all these sayings in her heart.
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John
2:1 And the third day there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and the mother of Jesus was there:
2:3 And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine.
19:25 Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, F38 and Mary Magdalene.
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Acts
1:14 These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren.
In NIV
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Luke 1:39
At that time Mary got ready and hurried to a town in the hill country of Judea, 40where she entered Zechariah's home and greeted Elizabeth. 41When Elizabeth heard Mary's greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. 42In a loud voice she exclaimed: "Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the child you will bear! 43But why am I so favored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? 44As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy. 45Blessed is she who has believed that what the Lord has said to her will be accomplished!"
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From KJV Strong's concordance:
Strong's Number: 3137
Mariva of Hebrew origin (04813)
Maria None
mar-ee'-ah Noun Feminine
Definition Mary or Miriam = "their rebellion"
Mary the mother of Jesus
Mary Magdalene, a women from Magdala
Mary, the sister of Lazarus and Martha
Mary of Cleophas the mother of James the less
Mary the mother of John Mark, a sister of Barnabas
Mary, a Roman Christian who is greeted by Paul in Rom. 16:6
King James Word Usage - Total: 54
Mary the mother of Jesus 19,
Mary Magdalene 13,
Mary the sister of Martha 11,
Mary the mother of James 9,
Mary the mother of John Mark 1,
Mary of Rome 1
Note: I'm not pro-catholicism. -
easy way to answer
edit Mc's post 
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the bible u use in china has many parts censored frm itOriginally posted by loveholyspirit:I seen so many people arguing. Mary gave birth to Jesus but she is definitely NOT the mother of Jesus. She is just a virgin body accepted and used by God to bring Jesus to the world. -
Originally posted by alexkusu:easy way to answer edit Mc's post
He started first.....i just ask question.....i'm not a troublemaker.
Please don't edit my post. -
siao lor...ke poh ji...Originally posted by alexkusu:the bible u use in china has many parts censored frm it
lim pei bible is made in singapore hor... -
because you singaporean mah.Originally posted by huaqing:siao lor...ke poh ji...
lim pei bible is made in singapore hor...
haha....
My question can answer or not ah Sir? -
ask church leaders la...i am not so pro one mah...Originally posted by M©+square:because you singaporean mah.
haha....
My question can answer or not ah Sir?
btw dun try to create a mess here...this is a Christian forum, not a Catholic forum! -
I'm asking on a Christian's stance.Originally posted by huaqing:ask church leaders la...i am not so pro one mah...
btw dun try to create a mess here...this is a Christian forum, not a Catholic forum!
So what is your stand? -
haiz, not as FREE as you hor...Originally posted by M©+square:I'm asking on a Christian's stance.
So what is your stand?
doing ACEs den can come online... -
go to the other thread.Originally posted by M©+square:I'm asking on a Christian's stance.
So what is your stand? -
You slow is it?Originally posted by huaqing:go to the other thread.
I'm over there liao. -
Not a exemplary way for a young Christian to behaveÂ…. Calling yourself lim peiÂ… and calling others ke poh ji.... Please refrain from name calling because it definitely highlight the fibre of your character.Originally posted by huaqing:siao lor...ke poh ji...
lim pei bible is made in singapore hor...
Discussion of Mary, of for that matter any Bible person, is a Christian topic, therefore, it is correct to have it here. On the flip side, discussion of, say, Prophet Mohammad or Mao Tse Tung or Gautama Buddha will be out of place.Originally posted by huaqing:ask church leaders la...i am not so pro one mah...
btw dun try to create a mess here...this is a Christian forum, not a Catholic forum!
Galatians 1:19 saw none of the other apostles—only James, the Lord's brother. Paul specifically stated that James is Jesus’ brother. Other people around Jesus are called disciples, and in some cases, apostles. Of course you may wish to highlight the actual word in Greek to substantiate your claim.Originally posted by loveholyspirit:According to the Gospels, Jesus was born in Bethlehem to Mary, a virgin, by a miracle of the Holy Spirit. The Gospel of Luke gives an account of the angel Gabriel visiting Mary to tell her that she was chosen to bear the son of God (Luke 1:26-2
. Catholics call this the Annunciation. Joseph, Mary's betrothed husband, appears only in stories of Jesus' childhood. With Jesus commending Mary into the care of John the Apostle during his crucifixion, it is likely that Joseph had died by the time of Jesus' ministry.
Mary remained a perpetual virgin, thus having no biological children.
Its just like Step-Mum and things like that. God used Mary the both to conceive Jesus, so the mother refered is as the person responsible for bring up Jesus.
According to Scripture, at the time of birth of Christ, Mary was indeed a virgin. There is NO record of Mary remaining in the virginal state. Again, if you have any prove showing otherwise, please do so - from the Bible, not from Discovery, CNBC, CNN whatever.
As MC had already said, for some reason, the whole argument has changed from “Doctrine” to “Mindset” – that being so, the mod will have no right to delete or prevent anyone from discussing this issue,. Because mindset is not absolute.Originally posted by loveholyspirit:Notice this, questions keep coming after i provide at least a solution. That is what i mean by there is no absolute doctrine, so i wouldnt say mine is, for it all sets down to the mindset.
Some questions: Do you (huaqing and loveholyspirit - if there is really two of you 
) believe in the Bible - (for argument's sake - your Bible) Please do us all a favour and quote from YOUR BIBLE, what Matthew 1:18-19; Mark 31:31, John 16:25-27 says.
I am only interested in the doctrine of the Scripture - Mary is the mother of Jesus.
Whether James is his cousin, god-brother, close neighbour is not the issue.
Whether Mary has any other children is not the issue.
Whether Mary is the perpetual virgin is not the issue.
Whether Mary is a saint or not is not the issue.
Whether Catholic doctrines is correct or not is not the issue.
One more thing - for huaqingOriginally posted by loveholyspirit:
It is clearly stated that, at least, loveholyspirit acknowledges that Mary is the mother of Jesus - for whatever that is defined above.
Its just like Step-Mum and things like that. God used Mary the both to conceive Jesus, so the mother refered is as the person responsible for bring up Jesus.
For all arguments and intents, huaqing, that is the quite a correct definition which is: Mary is the mother of Jesus - how we define "MOTHER" is a totally different issue. -
Originally posted by loveholyspirit:
I seen so many people arguing. Mary gave birth to Jesus but she is definitely [b]NOT the mother of Jesus. She is just a virgin body accepted and used by God to bring Jesus to the world.
[/b]Originally posted by loveholyspirit:
CONTRADICTORY STATEMENT.
Its just like Step-Mum and things like that. God used Mary the both to conceive Jesus, [b]so the mother refered is as the person responsible for bring up Jesus.
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You would agree that a person performing the role of Mary is a mother but you do not acknowledge her position of mother?
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u r a heretic. watever u jus said is pure rubbishOriginally posted by loveholyspirit:I seen so many people arguing. Mary gave birth to Jesus but she is definitely NOT the mother of Jesus. She is just a virgin body accepted and used by God to bring Jesus to the world. -
Have a look at my post in the other thread...perhaps that's what he meansOriginally posted by NT2:u r a heretic. watever u jus said is pure rubbish -
We'll wait for his reply then.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:Have a look at my post in the other thread...perhaps that's what he means
He have switched a doctrine to mindset.
So let's see if he'll switch this time.
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Mary had a little lamb?
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luke 1:15 was refering to john the baptist. read the whole chapter, you'll see.
for a moment there i was quite startled cuz Jesus did drank wine. -
switch wat mindset...it wontOriginally posted by M©+square:We'll wait for his reply then.
He have switched a doctrine to mindset.
So let's see if he'll switch this time.
Cheers
doctrine and mindset go hand in hand. no mindset = no doctrine. -
ur mother gave birth to you but she is not ur mother? i see....delinquents on the rise nowadays....Originally posted by loveholyspirit:I seen so many people arguing. Mary gave birth to Jesus but she is definitely NOT the mother of Jesus. She is just a virgin body accepted and used by God to bring Jesus to the world. -
Is it important whether Mary is Jesu mother?
