Open-mindedness - good or bad?
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Does being open-minded mean opening yourself to sex, violence, and all types of evil things?
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being open-minded ...... does not mean acceptance without principles
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i thoguht open minded means you can accept other pple doing it and do not think its morally wrong but whether you do it yourself is another matter?
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means u can see beyond facts without having emotions interrupting your thinking on certain matters..
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Definition of open-minded: willing to consider new ideas; unprejudiced
This means we must be willing to accept "evil things", e.g unnatural sex, unnatural violence, gay, lesbian, ...etc as normal?
Please correct me if I am wrong.
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No.Originally posted by askxyz:Does being open-minded mean opening yourself to sex, violence, and all types of evil things? -
Sigh. God forbid.Originally posted by askxyz:Definition of open-minded: willing to consider new ideas; unprejudiced
This means we must be willing to accept "evil things", e.g unnatural sex, unnatural violence, gay, lesbian, ...etc as normal?
Please correct me if I am wrong. -
open minded means being able to rethink if some of the old ideas u have are actually wrong. It does not mean acceptance without reason. It means being willing to listen and learn and accept some things which were thought to be 'wrong' or 'unnatural' in the past aren't actually so. Like being gay for example.
An example of this would be: Someone's mother got upset when he told her he's gay. She joined a psychological workshop to learn how to convert her son back to 'straight' At the workshop she learnt that being gay was a normal and natural thing and she opened up to accepting that he son was gay. Now she is supportive of her son, and both mother and son are happy.
Compare this to a family where the parents refuse to accept that being gay is natural and to accept that their son or daughter is gay. End up, they're not happy, their child is not happy, u have one unhappy family. All because the parents refuse to be open-minded and discard some outdated ideas.
So open-mindness in this case, can be a good thing.
Of course there are 2 sides to a coin. In cases where self harm or harm to others is possible, such as tobacco, alcohol, drugs, some times people can be too open minded, esp where drugs are concerned. -
not as normal, but if they are normal within a culture, accept them as their "norm" rather than forcing them to accept your "norm". dun have to change yrself.Originally posted by askxyz:Definition of open-minded: willing to consider new ideas; unprejudiced
This means we must be willing to accept "evil things", e.g unnatural sex, unnatural violence, gay, lesbian, ...etc as normal?
Please correct me if I am wrong. -
open mindedness should come along with proper education of the topic at hand. Taking drugs as an example: People who start taking drugs are unaware at the start about their harmful effects. By the time they find out, they're often hooked on the sort of "high" they can get and don't give a damn about the risks anymore.
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Where did u get this idea from? This is moral relativism. How can a child disobey his parents even if gay or not gay? What psychological workshop is that? Is the psychologist nuts or he just want to destroy your family? Or is he just an imagination in your mind?Originally posted by HENG@:open minded means being able to rethink if some of the old ideas u have are actually wrong. It does not mean acceptance without reason. It means being willing to listen and learn and accept some things which were thought to be 'wrong' or 'unnatural' in the past aren't actually so. Like being gay for example.
An example of this would be: Someone's mother got upset when he told her he's gay. She joined a psychological workshop to learn how to convert her son back to 'straight' At the workshop she learnt that being gay was a normal and natural thing and she opened up to accepting that he son was gay. Now she is supportive of her son, and both mother and son are happy.
Compare this to a family where the parents refuse to accept that being gay is natural and to accept that their son or daughter is gay. End up, they're not happy, their child is not happy, u have one unhappy family. All because the parents refuse to be open-minded and discard some outdated ideas.
So open-mindness in this case, can be a good thing.
Of course there are 2 sides to a coin. In cases where self harm or harm to others is possible, such as tobacco, alcohol, drugs, some times people can be too open minded, esp where drugs are concerned.
How can any normal family accept gays? U have papa, mama to give you & now you want to be gay. U dont want children is it? How outdated can that be when all along even animals copulate b/w male & female? & if you believe in evolution & not creationism, u still need male & female animals. Kong See Mee.
Hello, did u study any biology or science? -
Hello, when u see ppl raping or killing another person, u being open minded just let him do it?Originally posted by hisoka:i thoguht open minded means you can accept other pple doing it and do not think its morally wrong but whether you do it yourself is another matter? -
Are u brainwashed or what?Originally posted by Ito_^:not as normal, but if they are normal within a culture, accept them as their "norm" rather than forcing them to accept your "norm". dun have to change yrself. -
You know what's drugs? It's opium or opiate.Originally posted by HENG@:open mindedness should come along with proper education of the topic at hand. Taking drugs as an example: People who start taking drugs are unaware at the start about their harmful effects. By the time they find out, they're often hooked on the sort of "high" they can get and don't give a damn about the risks anymore. -
wow so u're saying a child should be miserable his whole life just so his parents can live with an illusion of happiness?Originally posted by John The Baptist:Where did u get this idea from? This is moral relativism. How can a child disobey his parents even if gay or not gay? What psychological workshop is that? Is the psychologist nuts or he just want to destroy your family? Or is he just an imagination in your mind?
How can any normal family accept gays? U have papa, mama to give you & now you want to be gay. U dont want children is it? How outdated can that be when all along even animals copulate b/w male & female? & if you believe in evolution & not creationism, u still need male & female animals. Kong See Mee.
Hello, did u study any biology or science?
so its more worth say, the child committing suicide and end up everyone be unhappy, than for the family to end up happy?
What psychological workshop? One held by the NHS. National Health Service of the United Kingdom. The psychologist brought happiness to the family. How is he nuts? I think you're nuts because you're the one who wants to destroy families. U want families to end up unhappy. People are born gay, nobody wants to be gay. So how can any normal family not accpet gays? Only if they want to be unhappy. Be unhappy over something they have no control of. How smart is that. How sane is that. A psychologist has to be crazy to make a family end up unhappy. To begin with, no child is disobeying his parents by being gay. Its like u're saying a child born blind is also disobeying his parents by not being 'normal'. How the hell are u going to help being something u're born?
How about this: If someone is straight but don't want kids anyway? Then what? -
you're the brainwashed one. People brainwashed tend to be very narrow-minded and one tracked minded.Originally posted by John The Baptist:Are u brainwashed or what? -
It means accpeting a clothing-optional lifestyle as the norm.
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all drugs. Cocaine, Marijuana, Ecstacy, Special K, Heroin etcOriginally posted by John The Baptist:You know what's drugs? It's opium or opiate. -
a mother learns more about homosexuality and accepts her son, and the whole family is happy. How is that bad as opposed to a family who refuses to be open minded and end up making everyone miserable?
How is helping the family to be happy, how is keeping the family together considered crazy? considered wrong?
How is teaching a family to remain narrow minded and thus be in misery be considered 'right'?
Do tell.
i think the point i've made is very clear here. Everything else John the Baptist says or anyone else tries to say, won't change a thing. The fact is, They're hoping other families will be miserable because they cannot accept certain things and they hope others won't accept it too, even at the expense of the misery of others. That is plain selfish.
They expect gay people not to be gay, like they expect chinese people not to be chinese. They expect that gay people should live in denial, and never be as close as they can to their families because they are in denial. They expect gay people to be miserable because they themselves cannot accept that homosexuality is natural. Dare I say it perhaps, that they can't accept that homosexuality is natural because if they do, they have to accept that their homosexual feelings deep down, are natural, which means they're gays? U'll never know. Many of these most anti-gay of people are closet gays in deep denial. Not all are, but many are. -
Then we must say biology is our destiny because of some people being born with a predisposition to this?Originally posted by HENG@:a mother learns more about homosexuality and accepts her son, and the whole family is happy. How is that bad as opposed to a family who refuses to be open minded and end up making everyone miserable?
How is helping the family to be happy, how is keeping the family together considered crazy? considered wrong?
Do tell. -
open minded doesn't mean acceptance of "evil", it depends on your judgement, if you feel you should stop them then stop them...........Originally posted by John The Baptist:Hello, when u see ppl raping or killing another person, u being open minded just let him do it?
but i will say i most prob wont stop the person unleess i know the victim(maybe) or i can do so safely. i believe that when we want to help some one we must make sure no added casulty is added to the equation. -
very true.Originally posted by askxyz:Then we must say biology is our destiny because of some people being born with a predisposition to this?
the thing is, some people who are predisposed to be straight for some reason try to be 'gay' and end up hurting themselves and others around them. This lends a false view to everyone else that being gay is 'wrong'
u can't fight what is hardwired into your DNA. if u're hardwired to be straight, dun even think about being gay.
If gay people would just be gay and straight people be straight, a lot of misery would just disappear. -
Some people are born with a greater weakness for alcohol, some people are born with a greater weakness for stealing, or for committing adultery. Should we then say that these are alright? If you said that biology is our destiny, then these people are not responsible for their actions?Originally posted by HENG@:very true.
the thing is, some people who are predisposed to be straight for some reason try to be 'gay' and end up hurting themselves and others around them. This lends a false view to everyone else that being gay is 'wrong'
u can't fight what is hardwired into your DNA. if u're hardwired to be straight, dun even think about being gay.
If gay people would just be gay and straight people be straight, a lot of misery would just disappear. -
weakness for alcohol? never heard of that. one has to be introduced to alcohol b4 one can have a weakness for it. Stealing is less clear cut, because kleptomaniacs exist. But to steal is to take that which belongs to others. That hurts others.Originally posted by askxyz:Some people are born with a greater weakness for alcohol, some people are born with a greater weakness for stealing, or for committing adultery. Should we then say that these are alright? If you said that biology is our destiny, then these people are not responsible for their actions?
To be gay hurts no one in that absolute sense. U might hurt your family but then, I see cases of people who convert to other religions against their family's wishes, such as someone who becomes a Christian against his taoist family's wishes and end up hurting his family. I don't see the hypocritical Christians speak up against that and say it's wrong do I?
As for adultery, same as stealing, it hurts others in the absolute sense.
Unlike alcohol, u don't have to be introduced to a gay lifestyle to know u are gay. Many friends of mine have know since they were young, some as early as when they were 3, that they have no interest in the opposite sex. Whereas u don't see people who have a weakness for alcohol know since young they want alcohol because they don't know what alcohol is. There's that distinct difference about what is biological and what is not.