Is suicide selfish?
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well forgive me, but if i may say, this is a very subjective thing. Sure maybe its your choice ultimately, but nobody enjoys losing a friend or family member in this way, so they will try to keep u alive. its only natural isn't it? If your friend encourages u to die, they're not true friends.Originally posted by The man who was death:It's also a lot of emotional baggage if u selfishly keep a person alive, u might drive him insane. -
sigh~Originally posted by stellazio:Same,i lost a good bud due to a very unlikely/unfortunate freak accident..And its sorta me and my friends fault,cuz afterall we were the one's who got him interested in soccer and to be a goalkeeper,sad that he died saving a ball.. -
I wouldn't totally say that also. if u're hoping to galvanize someone who's depressed and suicidal, he's not going to care that u think he's a coward and hence not kill himself. indeed if anything u're more likely to make him do it to show he dun give a damn what u think.Originally posted by stellazio:Suicide is just an escape route,basically people who are cowards and dare not face up to reality.. -
wtf?! died saving a ball??? how the heck did THAT happen?Originally posted by stellazio:Same,i lost a good bud due to a very unlikely/unfortunate freak accident..And its sorta me and my friends fault,cuz afterall we were the one's who got him interested in soccer and to be a goalkeeper,sad that he died saving a ball..
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I won't call him a coward,but i'll have him know that running away from problems is not gonna solved it..Originally posted by HENG@:I wouldn't totally say that also. if u're hoping to galvanize someone who's depressed and suicidal, he's not going to care that u think he's a coward and hence not kill himself. indeed if anything u're more likely to make him do it to show he dun give a damn what u think. -
DId you read the newspaper article last year about a 17 yr old boy studying in sp died in a soccer tournament held in school?Originally posted by HENG@:wtf?! died saving a ball??? how the heck did THAT happen? -
I think, you, and many other people's problems are that all of u don't understand that a suicidal person is NOT interested in solving any problems. He/she is just interested in making the problem no longer theirs.Originally posted by stellazio:I won't call him a coward,but i'll have him know that running away from problems is not gonna solved it..
once they die, its not their problem anymore. THATs the real attraction. -
nope. not in sgOriginally posted by stellazio:DId you read the newspaper article last year about a 17 yr old boy studying in sp died in a soccer tournament held in school? -
Well sometimes religions comes into place here.A suicidal person is not interested in solving problems,half correct.Cause when people around him/her starts to help them,they'll lighten up..Originally posted by HENG@:I think, you, and many other people's problems are that all of u don't understand that a suicidal person is NOT interested in solving any problems. He/she is just interested in making the problem no longer theirs.
once they die, its not their problem anymore. THATs the real attraction. -
i think religion can only help so much la. ultimately its up to the person to not kill himself. meaning has to be sought by oneself. im speaking from previous experience as a suicidal and sometimes still suicidal person.Originally posted by stellazio:Well sometimes religions comes into place here.A suicidal person is not interested in solving problems,half correct.Cause when people around him/her starts to help them,they'll lighten up.. -
Well my actions are pretty suicidal and drastic sometimes too,but thankfully only my actions and not thoughts..Originally posted by HENG@:i think religion can only help so much la. ultimately its up to the person to not kill himself. meaning has to be sought by oneself. im speaking from previous experience as a suicidal and sometimes still suicidal person. -
har i thought its better to have suicidal thoughts than to have suicidal actions? because, actions.... what if u succeed?Originally posted by stellazio:Well my actions are pretty suicidal and drastic sometimes too,but thankfully only my actions and not thoughts.. -
Choice
Circumstances
Culture
Ethics
Morality Issues
Religion
Law
Have to be taken into consideration.
Personally? The reason to suicide is important.
Jump from building
A person decided suicide because one cannot take the pressure in life anymore.
:::Background: Breadwinner of a family with four kids age ranging 4 - 10
Stock plunged and suffered Loss.Jump from building
A person decided suicide because of cancer and did not want family to worry.
:::Background: Staying with Parents without relatives at all, three siblings trying to make ends meet. Three siblings have own families. Unable to think of any way to get money. Very poor.
Looking at extremes could be a better guide to see this situation and issue.
Each are different. Then it'll all depend on the few points stated above.
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Is suicide selfish?
Let me see,
I want to die. I think I am unable to face the world. I hate the world. My bf/gf doesnÂ’t love me anymore. I failed in my exam. My parents shouted at me. I felt neglected. I think that nobody loves me. I want them to pay for what they have done/said to me. I feel useless. Life to me is meaningless. I am lonely. I am sad. Nobody understands me. I, I, I, I Â…
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If you have the time, do read this wonderful poem by Grace Paley
This Life
My friend tells me
a man in my house jumped off the roof
the roof is the eighth floor of this building
the roof door was locked how did he manage?
his girlfriend had said goodbye I'm leaving
he was 22
his mother and father were hurrying
at that very moment
from upstate to help him move out of Brooklyn
they had heard about the girl
the people who usually look up
and call jump jump did not see him
the life savers who creep around the back staircases
and reach the roof's edge just in time
never got their chance he meant it he wanted
only one person to know
did he imagine that she would grieve
all her young life away tell everyone
this boy I kind of lived with last year
he died on account of me
my friend was not interested he said you're always
inventing stuff what I want to know how could he throw
his life away how do these guys do it
just like that and here I am fighting this
ferocious insane vindictive virus day and
night day and night and for what? for only
one thing this life this life
By Grace Paley -
Actions not as in suicide actions but rather crazy stuff la..That can have a real impact on people..Originally posted by HENG@:har i thought its better to have suicidal thoughts than to have suicidal actions? because, actions.... what if u succeed? -
The motivation itself is self centered. But in some cases, it is not.Originally posted by DeadPoet:Is suicide selfish?
Let me see,
I want to die. I think I am unable to face the world. I hate the world. My bf/gf doesnÂ’t love me anymore. I failed in my exam. My parents shouted at me. I felt neglected. I think that nobody loves me. I want them to pay for what they have done/said to me. I feel useless. Life to me is meaningless. I am lonely. I am sad. Nobody understands me. I, I, I, I Â…
Did I answer your question?
But for most. It is self centered.
Haha....morning sickness....haha -
yah. well i bleed myself sometimes.Originally posted by stellazio:Actions not as in suicide actions but rather crazy stuff la..That can have a real impact on people.. -
I don't feel it's as simple as this. Each person deals with pain/pressure differently and each person's tolerance level is different. Some people drink, some turn to friends, religion or family. For a person to even contemplate suicide I would think the problem he's facing, to him, might be so insurmountable at that point of time that there is no other way he can deal with it. It could also be that his problems have plagued him for a very, very long time.Originally posted by stellazio:Well sometimes religions comes into place here.A suicidal person is not interested in solving problems,half correct.Cause when people around him/her starts to help them,they'll lighten up..
True, it's a selfish thing to do to the ones he leaves behind - they won't understand why he's done that, why he's left them behind, why he didn't turn to them for help, why they didn't see the problem till it was too late. But that in itself is a form of selfishness - wanting the person to stay alive, existing each day with the pain inside of him, pretending to be happy, pretending that everything's ok ... so they themselves don't feel pain or guilt?
It's complex, emotions. How does one just brush off suicide with selfishness or cowardliness without fully understanding the reason behind a person's actions?
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its not complex. its simple! he who dies, the problem is no longer his problem!Originally posted by miss_soojung:I don't feel it's as simple as this. Each person deals with pain/pressure differently and each person's tolerance level is different. Some people drink, some turn to friends, religion or family. For a person to even contemplate suicide I would think the problem he's facing, to him, might be so insurmountable at that point of time that there is no other way he can deal with it. It could also be that his problems have plagued him for a very, very long time.
True, it's a selfish thing to do to the ones he leaves behind - they won't understand why he's done that, why he's left them behind, why he didn't turn to them for help, why they didn't see the problem till it was too late. But that in itself is a form of selfishness - wanting the person to stay alive, existing each day with the pain inside of him, pretending to be happy, pretending that everything's ok ... so they themselves don't feel pain or guilt?
It's complex, emotions. How does one just brush off suicide with selfishness or cowardliness without fully understanding the reason behind a person's actions? -
heh. Short and pricky. Ouch!Originally posted by HENG@:its not complex. its simple! he who dies, the problem is no longer his problem! -
Because I was there.Originally posted by miss_soojung:How does one just brush off suicide with selfishness or cowardliness without fully understanding the reason behind a person's actions? -
but concise and clear.Originally posted by M©+square:heh. Short and pricky. Ouch!
and accurate too. -
Yah horOriginally posted by HENG@:its not complex. its simple! he who dies, the problem is no longer his problem! Sad, upset, off yourself ... no pain, just leave everyone else to whine and cry. Then after you're gone, who cares if people say you're a fool, selfish or cowardly, who cares of no one saw the pain and struggles you were going through before the big release 
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but thats the point! who cares, because u're dead and past caring anymore.Originally posted by miss_soojung:Yah hor Sad, upset, off yourself ... no pain, just leave everyone else to whine and cry. Then after you're gone, who cares if people say you're a fool, selfish or cowardly, who cares of no one saw the pain and struggles you were going through before the big release