Bullet Train between KL and SG
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I think not all of us need bullet train except those who complains that the next arriving train is long in terms of the timeOriginally posted by allentyb:woohoo
bullet train
do we really need bullet train at all?
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honestly it's a great idea..
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they should build the dual-track from seremban to jb first, instead of talking about a new bullet train line. dual track is more economical.
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But bear in mind, priority is secondary when deciding which project gets the green light first, at least according to DPM Najib. The Rawang-Ipoh and Seremban-JB double-electrified tracks project will be borne by the Federal Government whereas the KL-Singapore bullet train project will be borne completely by the private sector, and in this case YTL Consortium.
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For those who don't go to M'sia often, it doesn't make any different, it's good for those who always travel: SG-KL-SG.
High speed train will need to have standard gauge, similar to the KLIA express. -
i wonder if its a double track (one up and one down track)?
if so, with a travel time of 90 mins or 1.5hrs, i assume the entire railway line bet KL and Singapore - there's only one train from either direction? - then it is relatively low pax load as compared to the vast rail infrastructure.
and with such high infrastructure costs (considering construction and future maintenance costs) - would cost a bomb? and will railway fares be competitive enough against Express Bus and Airline rivals?
and what happens to the existing KTM railway track bet KL and Spore? for goods trains only? -
actually u're right, they could have a single track with a overrun somewhere in the middle. or they could stop at malacca together in their respective platforms before moving off.
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if a bullet train breakdown along the way - gone case already. the entire line will be delayed - probably for hours. and how long does it take for the recovery tow locomotive to reach the faulty bullet train and pull it off the tracks? and can the operators afford to station more recovery teams along the 300++km long route?
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must have bullet tow locomotive
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haha..you must be kidding. how can a faulty train be towed away at high speed? increase its chances of being derailed?Originally posted by SBS9889U:must have bullet tow locomotive -
It will have dual directions if constructed.
The authorities are still working out to use the existing line or construct new lines.
SBS3688Y:
Other then freight train, the existing KTM track will still have normal/express passanger trains on it. There are still many passangers traveling by trains to the various towns between KL & SG. -
Personally I have taken the KTM thrice, one of them got delayed for 4 hours!
Bullet Train might be a good idea though, but considered the service of the current situation. So what if there is a Bullet Train, we might still end up having delay. And I personally hope that the train will be built by Alstom, it is better and the passenger can stand properly even though it is travelling on high speed.
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currently it take 10hrs frm sg-kl
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Get your facts right. Day trains take about 6-7 hours. Only night trains take about 10 hours due to freight and more stations along the route.Originally posted by ifish:currently it take 10hrs frm sg-kl
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It is not suprise that KTM trains get delay because of the single track system. Most of the time they are on time.
Getting the type of train set depends largely on YTL company's project investment.
The system in KLIA Express Siemens' trains are very good.
Hopfully they can apply the same or better system to the proposed KL~SG line. -
Hopefully from what I observed this is the things they can improved on.
1. Double Tracks on all system
2. Electrification
3. Newer trains from the Europe, if it is Alstom than the best. (Yes I know I am Alstom Dude
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4. Improve Signalling System
5. Refurbished some stations and upgrade the platforms to the train level
6. Run on default gauge so that trains can run faster
If they really want to introduce Bullet Train than maybe this is what I wished to have:
1. Double Tracks
2. Trains from Alstom not Siemens!
3. Standard Gauge (1435mm)
4. Uses newest generation bridge -
High-speed train offer from Siemens
CopyrightThe Star. Apr 23rd 2007.
YTL Corp Bhd managing director Tan Sri Francis Yeoh raised the buzz on high-speed rail service when he proposed the service to link Kuala Lumpur and Singapore last July.
Until now, no decision has been made as the Malaysian government is still studying the proposal.
However, Siemens is ready to share its expertise in high-speed rail technology if the project gets the approval.
Siemens Malaysia Sdn Bhd transportation systems head Tim Hunter said the company was likely to work with YTL Corp if the latter was awarded the project.
The Velaro E has a top speed of 350km an hour
YTL Corp had conducted a study, which found the project feasible.
“The Government is identifying the political, economic and environmental impact and all issues relating to the existing transportation network,” he told Malaysian reporters during an international media tour of the new Velaro E in Madrid, Spain, recently.
The Velaro E is the latest in the high-speed trains platform developed by Siemens.
Hunter said there was no deadline on when the Government would conclude the study but he anticipated “soon”.
The interior of the Club Class
“The topography of Peninsular Malaysia is appropriate for high-speed rail.
“As for challenges, it will be to cross the straits into Singapore and integration with existing rail system,” he said, adding that the route could possibly begin at KL Sentral station, linking the KL International Airport (KLIA), Johor Baru and end at Singapore's Changi Airport.
“That will make more sense because inter-modal exchanges are important. It has to be linked to existing transport modes.
“The service may probably link Malacca and Putrajaya, although nothing is confirmed yet,” he said.
The distance between Kuala Lumpur and Singapore City is 325km. If the Velaro E is used, which has a top speed of 350km/h; travel time will be reduced to 90 minutes.
Hunter said the train's proposed seating capacity was between 400 and 500 people on a single trip.
YTL Corp has previously drawn the expertise of Siemens to develop the Express Rail Link, which connects KL Sentral and KLIA.
Siemens has also managed the Ipoh-Rawang double-tracking electrification project, hence, it feels it could offer its latest technology should the high-speed rail project receive the green light.
Besides Siemens, other players that provide high-speed rail technology include France's Alstom, Kawasaki Heavy Industries and Hitachi from Japan and Spain's Construccionesy Auxiliar de Ferrocarriles S. A.
Although Hunter did not reveal the project's actual cost, he said it would run into billions of ringgit as factors such as land acquisition, route, civil engineering and system costs, speed and density had to be considered.
According to published reports, the high-speed rail was expected to cost RM8bil.
“Land acquisition cost will be significant. Funding will be another main challenge and it is unsure at the moment who will bear the cost.
“Private finance initiative is one of the options. The project could be completed between two and five years, but that will depend on the engineering issues that may crop up,” he explained.
Hunter said an agreement between Malaysia and Singapore was highly important before the project could even proceed. -
relax la.. I only ask about the 10pm train..Originally posted by NickL_C151:Get your facts right. Day trains take about 6-7 hours. Only night trains take about 10 hours due to freight and more stations along the route.
didnt know that morning and night different -
Yes, it's not easy to construct a new line especially land acquisition in M'sia covers a very big area which will costs a BOMB...
More important, S'pore has different view of overhead system.
Our authority does not allow overhead system hanging around, they think it looks ugly.
My view is that usually a high speed train will use overhead instead of 3rd rail, that will have a problem between both parties.
SBStransport,
why you like Alstom so much?
Actually our Alstom train cost much lower then those of Siemens or Kawasaki brand. The quality is also not as good as the 2 mention above. -
Spore does not allow overhead electrical system because:Originally posted by stanley tan:More important, S'pore has different view of overhead system.
Our authority does not allow overhead system hanging around, they think it looks ugly.
My view is that usually a high speed train will use overhead instead of 3rd rail, that will have a problem between both parties.
- its a hazard esp during maintenance or construction wks nearby - may get electrocuted accidentally
- heard also partly because of feng shui - these cables are bad luck and emit negative forces and so on
- even if sg approves the use of overhead cables, i think the railway would be limited to woodlands only and terminate there.
- overhead cables are unsightly as what you've mentioned -
is it going to profitable
why not, build a railway, connecting from thailand then KL then final destination - singapore
no point, building bullet train, i rather take budget airline
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Ya sounds a good idea... Build a bullet train from thailand to singapore?
BUT! who is gonna control it? Singapore Malaysia or Thailand? -
another alternative i'd pick - hire a car, then zoom all the way to KL via NS Highway - can reach within ~3hrs. never mind the toll charges, petrol charges. i think some car rental co. do offer one-way offer - collect car in sg, return at KL branch. or else - budget airline you mentioned. and i'd not choose to travel by rail .Originally posted by allentyb:is it going to profitable
why not, build a railway, connecting from thailand then KL then final destination - singapore
no point, building bullet train, i rather take budget airline
it will be cheaper...... -
Singapore build fast and cost-effective, Malaysia will do the "regular" maintenance and Thailand will start operating the system before it's even ready. Good idea?Originally posted by TheVistaAero:Ya sounds a good idea... Build a bullet train from thailand to singapore?
BUT! who is gonna control it? Singapore Malaysia or Thailand? -
What about giving the train 2 ways of power supply?Originally posted by SBS3688Y:Spore does not allow overhead electrical system because:
- its a hazard esp during maintenance or construction wks nearby - may get electrocuted accidentally
- heard also partly because of feng shui - these cables are bad luck and emit negative forces and so on
- even if sg approves the use of overhead cables, i think the railway would be limited to woodlands only and terminate there.
- overhead cables are unsightly as what you've mentioned
On the Singapore part they can use the third rail and once they reach M'sia they can use overhead wire. In Singapore they will not drive so fast anyway.
That's not a major problem. The next train (I mean the train that comes after the broken down train) can cross over to the opposite track, then bypass the broken down train and then go back to actual platform again. Just need to give train enough chances to cross over to other track. So no big delay, maybe only 15 minutes or so.
if a bullet train breakdown along the way - gone case already. the entire line will be delayed - probably for hours. and how long does it take for the recovery tow locomotive to reach the faulty bullet train and pull it off the tracks? and can the operators afford to station more recovery teams along the 300++km long route?