yeah... you could be right.. it's hard to compare actually. Anyway, there's not much description about Du Gu Qiu Bai and Xiao Yao Zi..Originally posted by hisoka:cannot say lah cos of the other 3 i mentinoed 2 of them can suck him dry so might win + duan yu i think at the end if he really fight can win qiao feng easily le(qiao feng say one he can't win duan yu and that was b4 duan yu sucked the foreign monk)
then of course dugu seek defeat is dunno lah but from description he should be very li hai bah
Yang Guo's Sorrow Palm can only works when he's in sorrow.Originally posted by Nikar:a few issues to bring out......
1) anyone knows more about that "monk in the library"? that one so powerful until he's like God man! very exaggerated......what skill is he using?
2) also, Zhang Wuji has this JiuYang ShenGong......it's like more of a healing art than an offensive technique, is it? because with this skill, his inner strength seems to have surpassed everyone and his JiuYang ShenGong can auto-heal him everytime he gets injured......like that no need to fight liao!!!
3) also, it seems that according to u guys, TianLongBaBu is before the Condor Heroes is it? and Qiao Feng really got the full XiangLong meh? i thought he only knows 1 or 2 skills from the XiangLong?(according to a chinese forum on JinYong's novels)
in the recent TianLongBaBu show that just ended weeks ago, i only got see QiaoFeng use the xianglong 2 times throughout whole show leh......somemore sp pathetic one. he's the least impressive hero loh.somemore TianLongBaBu ending so poor and the story also quite lame.....
and i thought GuoJing learnt the full xianglong already? throughout the story, he got display all 18 skills of the xianglong leh, unless u guys are saying some of the xianglong skills he learnt is not original one?
4) not to forget Yang Guo also got the Sorrow Palm or something. that one is his signature finisher leh.
nothing is mentioned on that monkOriginally posted by Nikar:a few issues to bring out......
1) anyone knows more about that "monk in the library"? that one so powerful until he's like God man! very exaggerated......what skill is he using?
2) also, Zhang Wuji has this JiuYang ShenGong......it's like more of a healing art than an offensive technique, is it? because with this skill, his inner strength seems to have surpassed everyone and his JiuYang ShenGong can auto-heal him everytime he gets injured......like that no need to fight liao!!!
3) also, it seems that according to u guys, TianLongBaBu is before the Condor Heroes is it? and Qiao Feng really got the full XiangLong meh? i thought he only knows 1 or 2 skills from the XiangLong?(according to a chinese forum on JinYong's novels)
in the recent TianLongBaBu show that just ended weeks ago, i only got see QiaoFeng use the xianglong 2 times throughout whole show leh......somemore sp pathetic one. he's the least impressive hero loh.somemore TianLongBaBu ending so poor and the story also quite lame.....
and i thought GuoJing learnt the full xianglong already? throughout the story, he got display all 18 skills of the xianglong leh, unless u guys are saying some of the xianglong skills he learnt is not original one?
4) not to forget Yang Guo also got the Sorrow Palm or something. that one is his signature finisher leh.
to add confirm tian long is b4 shoot bird cos in the novel got write about the liumai shen jian lost when reach the nan di if i not wrong or else is that the xianglong 18 palm partly lost. hehe i also blur cos itw as a long time since i read the novelsOriginally posted by Mao x 2:Yang Guo's Sorrow Palm can only works when he's in sorrow.
As for the janitor monk, i think he basically mastered all the skills from Shaolin.
I'm not too sure if the xianglong 18 palm is partly lost, but if i'm not wrong, i think that Guo Jing's xiang long already surpassed Hong Qi Gong's in Shen Diao...Originally posted by hisoka:to add confirm tian long is b4 shoot bird cos in the novel got write about the liumai shen jian lost when reach the nan di if i not wrong or else is that the xianglong 18 palm partly lost. hehe i also blur cos itw as a long time since i read the novels
There's some informations on Du Gu Qiu Bai and the creator of 9Yin zhen jing, Huang Shan.whoa.......Huang Shan so powerful meh? then Dugu QiuBai still wants to be defeated although he's been defeated already? bad loser?
Du Gu Qiu Bai was defeated by Huang Shan before he could mastered the 9th stance of his Dugu 9 Swords, which require the use of great internal strength.
It's because Huangshan was outnumbered during the fight with Dugu when the rest of the elite fighters from Ming Cult join hands to fight him.Originally posted by Nikar:whoa.......Huang Shan so powerful meh? then Dugu QiuBai still wants to be defeated although he's been defeated already? bad loser?
if Dugu is the inventor of the Dugu 9 Swords and he hasn't master the skill himself, then why Feng QingYang and Ling Hu Cong can?
also, i remember that Huang Shan is the "Greatest Evil", the evil of all evils.
anyone knows who created the JiuYang ShenGong anot? is it priest Damo/Dharma from Shaolin? dunno whether JiuYang or JiuYing is more powerful.
ermm according to the webbie,Huang Shan used his first volume of jiu yin zhen jin to fight against qiu bai's 8 sword stroke.Originally posted by Nikar:whoa.......Huang Shan so powerful meh? then Dugu QiuBai still wants to be defeated although he's been defeated already? bad loser?
if Dugu is the inventor of the Dugu 9 Swords and he hasn't master the skill himself, then why Feng QingYang and Ling Hu Cong can?
also, i remember that Huang Shan is the "Greatest Evil", the evil of all evils.
anyone knows who created the JiuYang ShenGong anot? is it priest Damo/Dharma from Shaolin? dunno whether JiuYang or JiuYing is more powerful.
Ling Hu Cong didn't manage to mastered the final stance, except for Yang Guo.really? but what is the final stance in the Dugu 9 swords?
Good Summary.Originally posted by GenX:ermm according to the webbie,Huang Shan used his first volume of jiu yin zhen jin to fight against qiu bai's 8 sword stroke.
In this fight qiu bai lost cos his stroke can't deal with one who has great internal strength.
He knew that he need good internal strength with a new stroke to defeat huang shan so he trained hard his internal strength and developed the last 9th stroke.It took him a long time to do this,when he finished training,he was already over 40 plus.Thus now he came out to try out his new found skill and attempt to be defeated with it to show that no one can defeat him.He can't find Huang Shan by then.Huang Shan after that duel with Qiu Bai got orders from the emperor to lead a attk on the Ming Sect.He managed to kill lots of highly skilled ming sect members before he is not able to take it and retreated.Pursued by enemies who subsequently killed huang shan's family.
Huang Shan vowed to avenge his family by destroying Ming Sect.So he went into solitary confirment somewhere to train.This is where he came up with the second volume of the Jiu Ying Zhen Jin thus completing it.During all this time Du Gu QiuBai was looking all around for him but cannot find Huang Shan.The search for Huang Shan proved so futile that he thought Huang Shan was dead already.So with his then present skills,he could not find anyone who can defeat him,with that he went into retirement.
By the time Huang Shan came up with the complete volume of the Jyjz,Qiu Bai was already deep into retirement and never attempted to look for huang shan anymore nor did huang shan looked for qiu bai.
Huang Shan's Ming sect enemies had also by that time have all died,so huang shan himself have nothing to do.So he just wrote out the 2 full volume of the JYJZ and go into retirement.
Ermm Dugu did master the 9th stroke.But it is actually feng Ching yang and lin hu chong that did not master it cos they did not have that high enough internal strength.
The only other person mentioned who mastered it was Yang Guo.
Well it seems that no one know who created Jiu Yang Sheng Gong.Speculation is that it is from the founder of Shaolinharma since Jiu Yang Sheng Gong was only made known to the world at either the end of return of the condor hero or start of Heavenly sword,dragon sabre when someone sneaked into Shaolin to steal it out.
Hmm remember that Janitor monk from Tian Long Ba Bu,maybe he know Jiu Yang shen gong since the manuel is all the way kept inside the area he is in charge of.
Can't say JiuYing or JiuYang more powerful since there is no clash btw the 2 skills,Only Zhou Zhi Ruo managed to learn the fast to learn but not full version of JiuYing (JiuYing Bai Gu Zua)and thus much lesser powerful than what it could be and had a clash with Zhang Wu Ji who had the full version of JiuYang.
From there Zhi ruo is the loser.
Lol i din summarized anything,just typed whatever i remembered and let it carry on from there.After that did i see that i typed so much out.Originally posted by Mao x 2:Good Summary.![]()
well the 9th stroke,the person need a very good internal strength base b4 he can master it.Originally posted by Nikar:really? but what is the final stance in the Dugu 9 swords?
i thought Dugu 9 swords is like free-form one? as long as u got the foundation and understand the essence, it's all there is?
i think JiuYing ZhengJing is the most powerful skill leh. look at West Venom. after he learnt JiuYing ZJ, he can avoid and counter Hong Qi Gong's xianglong palm!!!!!
got 2 issues lah.
1) why Mei Chao Feng and Yang Guo know JiuYing ZJ, but their skills so poor one?
2) u all got watch the most recent episode of the Legend of the Condor Heroes on Channel 8, Sat 9.00 pm anot? that Mei ChaoFeng darn chio right?
KNN.......even prettier than BoA and Ayumi sia!!!!!!!
Yes.. Dugu 9 swords is free form, however the 9th stance require great internal strength to counter against internal strength.Originally posted by Nikar:really? but what is the final stance in the Dugu 9 swords?
i thought Dugu 9 swords is like free-form one? as long as u got the foundation and understand the essence, it's all there is?
i think JiuYing ZhengJing is the most powerful skill leh. look at West Venom. after he learnt JiuYing ZJ, he can avoid and counter Hong Qi Gong's xianglong palm!!!!!
got 2 issues lah.
1) why Mei Chao Feng and Yang Guo know JiuYing ZJ, but their skills so poor one?
2) u all got watch the most recent episode of the Legend of the Condor Heroes on Channel 8, Sat 9.00 pm anot? that Mei ChaoFeng darn chio right?
KNN.......even prettier than BoA and Ayumi sia!!!!!!!
i)Any novel detailing the lives of Huang Shan and Du Gu Jiu Bai? I am still quite mesmerized by these two characters, possibly the strongest in JY novels.The white maiden is the descendant of Xiao Long Nv and Yang Guo.
ii)The "white maiden" who appeared at the end of the Heavenly Sword, Dragon Sabre drama and defeated Zhou Zhiruo.....is she for real? Who is she? I have some idea but would like some confirmation. It is damn zai to suddenly see her appear, defeat Zhou Zhiruo and then recite the Condor Heroes poem(of course, that's the Tony Leung version).Does she appear in the novel?
Just my 2 cents.
i)Regarding the "library" monk, it is of my opinion that it's Dharma himself. After all, I seem to recall that the monk said that in order to learn all the skills in the library, one must have a high level of Buddhist enlightenment. The higher of enlightenment, the more skills the person can learn due to the skills themselves having the ability to "pollute" the mind of the learner. Who has the highest enlightenment level in Shaolin. Dharma, of course! Reaching Nirvana is a step, but does that mean the person will go to Heaven? I myself don't think so. Maybe Dharma "yin xing mai ming" stay in library.yah lah! very logical! Dharma is like on god's level already loh, so must be him.
ii)Jiu Yang Shen Gong is more like a skill designed to improve the nei li(internal strength) etc of the person. In typical RPG-talk, it helps to increase his stats but he does not really learn any new attack or magic spell.i agree.......Jiu Yang Shen Gong is more like increase your "stats" and kinds of auto-heals you......but.......if that's the case, does that mean that Zhang Wuji doesn't have any real skills?
but Guo Jing is seemingly the only one who, with the foundation of Jiu Ying Zhen Jing, is about to have the internal strength needed to use the 18 strokes masterfully.but Guo Jing never fully mastered the full Jiu Ying Zhen Zing right? does Guo Jing know Jiu Yang Shen Gong also?
iv)Du Gu 9 Jian, as the name suggests, has 9 strokes. I once saw a Taiwanese Jin Yong game show where every question is based on Jin Yong's novels. One of the final round questions in one of the episodes was "Name all the 9 strokes". I remembered the following:i see now.......so the first 8 strokes has to do with countering weapons.....and the last stroke is to counter/break the opponent's internal strength, and that's the most critical and powerful, because......the internal strength is the foundation for martial arts......if there's no internal strength(qi), the opponent is even more harmless than a mouse.
Po Jian Si, Po Dao Si, Po Qiang Si, Po Kun Si, Po Bian Si.....basically the 8 common weapons used then. (Paiseh..... :lolSmile I believe these are the 8 strokes Du Gu Jiu Bai initally mastered. The last stroke is called "Po Qi Si", essentially, "breaking the opponent's internal strength" and what I believed to be the 9th stroke. Makes sense, right? To be able to break the opponent's qi, you must have a lot of qi to do that.
The 9 StancesOriginally posted by Nikar:i see now.......so the first 8 strokes has to do with countering weapons.....and the last stroke is to counter/break the opponent's internal strength, and that's the most critical and powerful, because......the internal strength is the foundation for martial arts......if there's no internal strength(qi), the opponent is even more harmless than a mouse.
is there a "Po quan si" and "Po tui si"?(to counter the fist and leg)
why no break huang shan or break du gu stance?Originally posted by Mao x 2:The 9 Stances
1. General Index Stance
2. Sword-breaking Stance
3. Knife-breaking Stance
4. Spear-breaking Stance
5. Mace-breaking Stance
6. Whip-breaking Stance
7. Palm-breaking Stance
8. Missile-breaking Stance
9. Energy-breaking Stance
The seventh move, Palm-breaking Stance overcomes martial arts which uses one's fists, legs, fingers, and palms. If the opponent were brave enough to fight against a sword with bare hands, he had to have really good martial arts and that the use of weapons no longer made any difference to him any more. The Palm-breaking Stance included techniques to overcome boxing and grappling, joint manipulation and point sealing, demon claw and tiger claw hands, iron sand divine palm, and the type of barehanded martial arts skills
Originally posted by hisoka:why no break huang shan or break du gu stance?