What is your basic philosophy in Life?
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I see that you have simply gloss over the issues of "people who do not play by the rules. Or have a "misguided" intrepretation of the philosophy."Originally posted by mancha:This is a philosophy of conduct for the individual.
People generally want happiness.
Not something as laughing all the time, but generally the avoidance of pain and discomfort would be sufficent.
One can look after oneself. But cannot control the actions others. A person would expect others not to accost him with an annoyance. And vice versa.
And therefore this Do-On-To-Others philosophy, is preached by sages through out the ages of humanity.
And you are right, there are people who do not play by the rules. Or have a "misguided" intrepretation of the philosophy. Thats their choice. They are never happy people to begin with, thats why they spread the discomfort. These people are to be avoided.
As for other aspects of living, like career advancement, this rule still apply as to interpersonal transactions. And this of course is to be weighed against strategy and politics of the work place.
This mantra is to help in getting along with others in society. It is not a magic capsule to a perfect life.
As for accumulating wealth, another philosophy is required.
You need to compile them as they come to you.
Thats er....... philosophy.
I guess that is one way to do it, simply gloss over it... that is how delusions starts in people's mind, IMHO
It is better to confront issues head on, and find the answers.
Another thing about this "philosophy" of doing unto others....
If I would like others to give me a million dollars to me for no reasons (that would make me really happy), then I should give a million dollars to others? Therefore if I do not want to give away a million dollars, I should also not want people to give me a million dollars?
This type of "philosophy" is too lose to be of use. There are too many unanswered questions and too many open interpretations. Try again bah.... -
huh? what are you talking about? Which case is CLOSED and why is closing that case Ref Kayu??Originally posted by Short Ninja:OOOiii!! how can like that one I thought CASE CLOSED......Referee Kayu! -
What about nasty people? Is Love "good"? Is it possible to do more harm giving "love"? Is punishing someone "love"? What happens when you have to choose between two people and when they want you to take sides (separated father vs mother, for example)?Originally posted by Delphian:Mine is
Give love, be compassionate, seek inner peace
It keeps me happy...
How do you find inner peace? Seek is one thing but how do you and how can you help another to find it? -
I suppose my basic philospphy in life is work hard and at time work smart to get a decent standard of living....not necessarily in Sillypore but anywhere your heart desires...have children and have at least a faith to guide you in life ....simple enuf huhOriginally posted by AndrewPKYap:continued from here:
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locked by Aunt Agony, so bo bian... continue here.... hopefully Uncle Agony not so intolerant... -
Yes this type of philosophy is hard to criticize but I will try to anyway for discussion sake.Originally posted by Coquitlam:I suppose my basic philospphy in life is work hard and at time work smart to get a decent standard of living....not necessarily in Sillypore but anywhere your heart desires...have children and have at least a faith to guide you in life ....simple enuf huh -
Sure...be my guest.....actually....after years of criticism...I've toned down and only restrict my criticism to the follies of this gahmen.....Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:Yes this type of philosophy is hard to criticize but I will try to anyway for discussion sake.
Just the other day....this minister commented about overseas Sillyporeans coming to the SG day in NY.....and he suspected it was more for the food than anything else...and commented further that Sillyporeans are generally...once a glut, always a glut....
The thing I could not stand was his volume toned down upon uttering that statement....want to say it but yet was shy in saying it...imagine...a minister who cannot put where his mouth is...thank God I am an ex-Sillyporean who do not have to identify with gluts...as reinforced by a full minister.
Can someone pls tell who this dumb ass of a minister is....no wonder we are paying peanuts to keep them in office -
You keep asking people about what is going on in their heads and then you simply disagree at every reply so now people also want to know how Unker PK Yap mind function but your answer to that is 'Case Closed?' You call yourself a referee in this discussion so i call you Kayu lah>Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:huh? what are you talking about? Which case is CLOSED and why is closing that case Ref Kayu?? 
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simply disagree at every reply for discussions sake... you can always find something to disagree/criticize... because we live in an imperfect world... and we can only learn if we look at and consider all the criticisms/errors/fallacies in our own heads....Originally posted by Short Ninja:You keep asking people about what is going on in their heads and then you simply disagree at every reply so now people also want to know how Unker PK Yap mind function but your answer to that is 'Case Closed?' You call yourself a referee in this discussion so i call you Kayu lah>
Otherwise we live with the delusion that our philosophy is perfect.
The point is to criticize logically or rationally, not criticize fallaciously. You may criticize me for criticizing fallaciously (that is, talking rubbish) but you cannot criticize me for criticizing.... because as I said, that is how people, humans learn.
Like your case... you said "conscience" and I said "conscience" is unreliable (lead to wrong actions) and different people have different conscience (like Osama probably is not doing anything against his own conscience).
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Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:
I disagree with what you just wrote and I critisize you for critisizing but I wont tell you anything because I want you to think for yourself- to reason.....I want to stimulate your mind and let it nurture into an intellectual thinking brain.I can be just as irritating to say these sweet words back to you and hope you turn diabetic soon can ar not? Unker>
[b]simply disagree at every reply for discussions sake... you can always find something to disagree/criticize... because we live in an imperfect world... and we can only learn if we look at and consider all the criticisms/errors/fallacies in our own heads....
Otherwise we live with the delusion that our philosophy is perfect.
The point is to criticize logically or rationally, not criticize fallaciously. You may criticize me for criticizing fallaciously (that is, talking rubbish) but you cannot criticize me for criticizing.... because as I said, that is how people, humans learn.
Like your case... you said "conscience" and I said "conscience" is unreliable (lead to wrong actions) and different people have different conscience (like Osama probably is not doing anything against his own conscience).
What was your reply to that? [/b] -
OK thanks to you I am thinking right now... in fact I am thinking very hard right now and my brain is very stimulated... all thanks to you...Originally posted by Short Ninja:I disagree with what you just wrote and I critisize you for critisizing but I wont tell you anything because I want you to think for yourself- to reason.....I want to stimulate your mind and let it nurture into an intellectual thinking brain.I can be just as irritating to say these sweet words back to you and hope you turn diabetic soon can ar not? Unker> -
Yes this type of philosophy is hard to criticize but I will try to anyway for discussion sake.Originally posted by Coquitlam:I suppose my basic philospphy in life is work hard and at time work smart to get a decent standard of living....not necessarily in Sillypore but anywhere your heart desires...have children and have at least a faith to guide you in life ....simple enuf huh Originally posted by Coquitlam:Sure...be my guest.....actually....after years of criticism...I've toned down and only restrict my criticism to the follies of this gahmen.....
What do you say to people that says "having a Faith" is just putting yourself under a system of beliefs and restrict your personal freedom for dubious rewards?
What happens when your Faith comes in conflict with reality? What happens when your faith comes into conflict with "work smart"?
For example, when you are asked to negotiate on behalf of the company and you "manage" your boss as well as "manage the other party". By manage I mean, you might for example hide certain things from your own boss and "lie" to your opposite party that your boss said somethings when it was you that said it so that both parties come to an agreement and both think that they won!
Actually it was all your doing and you were simply working smart.
Many "Faiths" frown at this type of "sheninigans" and expect "honesty" "openness" and the like. Whereas if you do not put yourself under any beliefs, you can do the necessary according to your rational analysis of how best you should handle the situation (work smart).
So basically two questions: Why put yourself under certain beliefs system for dubious gains and what do you do when your faith comes into conflict with "work smart"? -
Happy Go Lucky counted?
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Your philosophy must help you live life successfully... successful in your relationships (friends, relative, spouse, gf/bf, lovers, children), career, personal well-being...Originally posted by sand king:Happy Go Lucky counted? -
okay, im thinking.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:Your philosophy must help you live life successfully... successful in your relationships (friends, relative, spouse, gf/bf, lovers, children), career, personal well-being...
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I hope you seriously think and think harder... the reason people have so many problems in their lives... so unhappy all the time... is that they live life without thinking about important things like that.Originally posted by sand king:okay, im thinking. -
After seeing so many kinds of 'Philosophy's in Life'
Some i really wanna peng.... some talk like its the only true way....
My philosophy in life.. or philosophies... if there is the word.. changes and adapts to my surroundings. I have a few CORE principles but debatable Philosophy's.
If i find true happiness in life.. i will tell you what was my philosophy.
If i am rich n powerful before i die , i will ALSO tell you what was my philosophy.
If i ruled the world under my benevolent despotism to bring about world peace , i will also tell you what was my philosophy in life.
If i decided to forsake all wordly things and commit myself and serve mankind and those in need , then i will also tell you what my philosophy was.
But to have everyone adopt the same one is just impossible.
And Andrew,
Know that no philosophy is perfect, no goverment is perfect , no law is perfect, no work place is perfect and no way life is perfect . You can keep on finding flaws and counter this with another counter point , this black with that white. But hopefully you will find the MOST optimum one in life. But who is to decide which one or what is the most optimum one, before u go insane. Just like a genius , bordering on insanity. -
Philoshophy is a belief, but may be put into action according to circumstances... In some situations, my belief may not be the best way to do things...Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:What about nasty people? Is Love "good"? Is it possible to do more harm giving "love"? Is punishing someone "love"? What happens when you have to choose between two people and when they want you to take sides (separated father vs mother, for example)?
How do you find inner peace? Seek is one thing but how do you and how can you help another to find it?
Inner peace to me is when i seek self-forgiveness for my mistakes, reflect and repent... and when i learn to forgive those who hurt me in ways big or small in everyday life... When i don't hold on to anger, resentments and regrets, i feel peaceful...
However, i will alter my beliefs according to situations:
For example, i know stealing is wrong and a thief ought to be punished, but if what i see is a trembling father stealing food for his hungry children, i will let him go, but that doesn't mean i think stealing is alright... If you get what i mean
But this is me, everyone has their own sets... -
There is no "perfection" but there are "very bad", bad, OK, good, better and best. Best is not necessarily perfect.Originally posted by BadzMaro:After seeing so many kinds of 'Philosophy's in Life'
Some i really wanna peng.... some talk like its the only true way....
My philosophy in life.. or philosophies... if there is the word.. changes and adapts to my surroundings. I have a few CORE principles but debatable Philosophy's.
If i find true happiness in life.. i will tell you what was my philosophy.
If i am rich n powerful before i die , i will ALSO tell you what was my philosophy.
If i ruled the world under my benevolent despotism to bring about world peace , i will also tell you what was my philosophy in life.
If i decided to forsake all wordly things and commit myself and serve mankind and those in need , then i will also tell you what my philosophy was.
But to have everyone adopt the same one is just impossible.
And Andrew,
Know that no philosophy is perfect, no goverment is perfect , no law is perfect, no work place is perfect and no way life is perfect . You can keep on finding flaws and counter this with another counter point , this black with that white. But hopefully you will find the MOST optimum one in life. But who is to decide which one or what is the most optimum one, before u go insane. Just like a genius , bordering on insanity.
If you are not interested to improve yourself constantly, I hope that you do not discourage others from doing so. -
Did my post mean in any context of discouraging others?How could you come to think that perhaps i am not interested in improving myself constantly when i stated clearly of my adaptation to my surrounding environment in terms of philosphy. Do we not adapt for the better ? But i sure did not discourage others. If i did , i wouldve said so. They are entitled to their own. Only Time will tell.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:There is no "perfection" but there are "very bad", bad, OK, good, better and best. Best is not necessarily perfect.
If you are not interested to improve yourself constantly, I hope that you do not discourage others from doing so.
I try to improve on a daily basis , every hour , every minute and every second. Well enough said. Perhaps u do not really read in context of my thread. -
Philosophy is not "just" a set of beliefs that you hold on to. Philosophy includes knowing why you hold on to those beliefs. It includes rational, well thought out reasons and good arguments for the beliefs.Originally posted by Delphian:Philoshophy is a belief, but may be put into action according to circumstances... In some situations, my belief may not be the best way to do things...
Inner peace to me is when i seek self-forgiveness for my mistakes, reflect and repent... and when i learn to forgive those who hurt me in ways big or small in everyday life... When i don't hold on to anger, resentments and regrets, i feel peaceful...
However, i will alter my beliefs according to situations:
For example, i know stealing is wrong and a thief ought to be punished, but if what i see is a trembling father stealing food for his hungry children, i will let him go, but that doesn't mean i think stealing is alright... If you get what i mean
But this is me, everyone has their own sets...
People have subjective views. They believe that they are right. That is only natural.
People need objective views and critical 3rd party views to help them see their blind spots.
This is why having discussions is so important. When there is a discussion and someone provides a dissenting view, you have to evaluate whether or not the dissenting views are valid and good.
There are many examples in this thread. Someone said that he goes with his conscience. I pointed out that Osama bin Laden probably does not think that he is going against his own conscience. I pointed out that "conscience" is very unreliable.
You can see the dissenting views in this thread.
If people are wise, they will evaluate if the dissenting views are based on good arguments. If they are based on good arguments, shouldn't that person then rethink his position? Isn't it only wise and rational to modify or junk their philosophy and come up with a better one?
For you it is obvious that you think it important to come to terms with your own mistakes.
Do you have a philosophy on why people make mistakes and how to prevent yourself from making the mistakes in the first place? Maybe you do not think that it is possible to have some philosophy that helps prevent you from making mistakes? Or maybe you have not even thought of that possibility? -
It was because you said this: "But who is to decide which one or what is the most optimum one, before u go insane. Just like a genius , bordering on insanity."Originally posted by BadzMaro:Did my post mean in any context of discouraging others?How could you come to think that perhaps i am not interested in improving myself constantly when i stated clearly of my adaptation to my surrounding environment in terms of philosphy. Do we not adapt for the better ? But i sure did not discourage others. If i did , i wouldve said so. They are entitled to their own. Only Time will tell.
I try to improve on a daily basis , every hour , every minute and every second. Well enough said. Perhaps u do not really read in context of my thread.
I read it as, you think that people that tries to improve themselves constantly, and try to work out a good philosophy of life for themselves will go insane.
Which is why I said you should not discourage others from seeking to improve their life's philosophy. -
Close enough , but arent we always trying to improve ourselves ? Be able to control.. maybe we are not yet able to totally comprehend it. Thats why , dont you want to go there ? If you are able to. But normally we are too busy with our lives , living it away chasing things.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:It was because you said this: "But who is to decide which one or what is the most optimum one, before u go insane. Just like a genius , bordering on insanity."
I read it as, you think that people that tries to improve themselves constantly, and try to work out a good philosophy of life for themselves will go insane.
Which is why I said you should not discourage others from seeking to improve their life's philosophy. -
When we fight temptations and win, then we prevent a mistake... Everyday we fight temptations to live right and that's essential...Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:Philosophy is not "just" a set of beliefs that you hold on to. Philosophy includes knowing why you hold on to those beliefs. It includes rational, well thought out reasons and good arguments for the beliefs.
People have subjective views. They believe that they are right. That is only natural.
People need objective views and critical 3rd party views to help them see their blind spots.
This is why having discussions is so important. When there is a discussion and someone provides a dissenting view, you have to evaluate whether or not the dissenting views are valid and good.
There are many examples in this thread. Someone said that he goes with his conscience. I pointed out that Osama bin Laden probably does not think that he is going against his own conscience. I pointed out that "conscience" is very unreliable.
You can see the dissenting views in this thread.
If people are wise, they will evaluate if the dissenting views are based on good arguments. If they are based on good arguments, shouldn't that person then rethink his position? Isn't it only wise and rational to modify or junk their philosophy and come up with a better one?
For you it is obvious that you think it important to come to terms with your own mistakes.
Do you have a philosophy on why people make mistakes and how to prevent yourself from making the mistakes in the first place? Maybe you do not think that it is possible to have some philosophy that helps prevent you from making mistakes? Or maybe you have not even thought of that possibility?
What i'm coming to terms with are mistakes that i commited when i fell weak... Human are fallible and all human err.. no matter if you have a set of values or not... Everyone knows lying is wrong, but who doesn't?
So while i win in some cases against the evil thoughts in my mind, i want to repent on those i fell weak to and remember the lesson throughout my life, this is a way to prevention of future mistakes... -
Oh I see, are you talking about "mistakes" that have roots in religion? You talk about "right living", "repentance" and "fighting temptations".Originally posted by Delphian:When we fight temptations and win, then we prevent a mistake... Everyday we fight temptations to live right and that's essential...
What i'm coming to terms with are mistakes that i commited when i fell weak... Human are fallible and all human err.. no matter if you have a set of values or not... Everyone knows lying is wrong, but who doesn't?
So while i win in some cases against the evil thoughts in my mind, i want to repent on those i fell weak to and remember the lesson throughout my life, this is a way to prevention of future mistakes...
In which case maybe you can answer this question I asked in response to another post.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:What do you say to people that says "having a Faith" is just putting yourself under a system of beliefs and restrict your personal freedom for dubious rewards?
What happens when your Faith comes in conflict with reality? What happens when your faith comes into conflict with "work smart"?
For example, when you are asked to negotiate on behalf of the company and you "manage" your boss as well as "manage the other party". By manage I mean, you might for example hide certain things from your own boss and "lie" to your opposite party that your boss said somethings when it was you that said it so that both parties come to an agreement and both think that they won!
Actually it was all your doing and you were simply working smart.
Many "Faiths" frown at this type of "sheninigans" and expect "honesty" "openness" and the like. Whereas if you do not put yourself under any beliefs, you can do the necessary according to your rational analysis of how best you should handle the situation (work smart).
So basically two questions: Why put yourself under certain beliefs system for dubious gains and what do you do when your faith comes into conflict with "work smart"?