What is your basic philosophy in Life?
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What if the basic philosophy you're having is wrong in the 1st place....?
Then won't you be making alot of mistakes...? -
How can conscience be a good guide if it is so easily over-ridden? How do you know that the terrorist/politician over-rode his own conscience?Originally posted by Short Ninja:Human conscience is a good guide, can you hear that little voice in your head?Only thing is whether you want to listen to it or not. A Terrorist/Politician believes what he is doing is beneficial to himself & therefore correct so his conscience already overruled. As for Parenthood I feel the win-win or win -lose ideology could still apply because we want to teach Children about balance like for every winner there is surely a loser to counter balance or sometimes you lose and sometimes you win ,that sort of thing. How can you give and take if you dont know what is balance? I guess that is my basis.
Does conscience take into account short term or long term good/harm? Is conscience sufficient a guide for complex activities like negotiations for a million dollars contract?
If a boy/girl is brought up in a brothel/war zone/urban slum, will his/her conscience be the same as a boy/girl brought up in a religious home or the home of rich parents?
Is it possible to have a win/win situation like you forgo certain monetary gains (let the other party have a little more than fair share) to settle the matter amicably/for good will/for good relationships; so that the "balance" is between "more money/less money" and "more money/good or bad relationship"?
What should the parent teach the child? Win/win; win/lose in terms of money or in terms of money/relationship for example? -
You mean "bo tio chiong issit? What about "enough"? If you have, but you think you do not have enough than you chase after it or not?Originally posted by pervertboi:wu tio hio....
bo tio chio....
If you have but you want more or you want better or you want are not sure but you want more (just in case) you "chase" or not? -
That is why we need to have a good basic philosophy... and that is why we are discussing this in this thread, to discover a "good basic philosophy" for life and living.Originally posted by Devil1976:What if the basic philosophy you're having is wrong in the 1st place....?
Then won't you be making alot of mistakes...? -
You did not answer my question. If someone/many people thinks that you are wrong/bad/dangerous, and torture you because they think that you deserve it, will you accept it like you expect those you think are wrong and deserves to be tortured should accept it?Originally posted by boka:I want to save 25k in 5years time and by then i'll be out of NS,together with my dad's saving,insurance and some small loan from the bank i want to go to AUS to pursue degree in criminal justice.
After graduating i want to join the interpol. -
Conscience is a good guide unfortunately this little voice is often being drowned by a bigger one which I feel is not part of my conscience but more like a defense mechanism in me.Its so powerful that logically I would rather listen and act on this one.This include excuses ,self denial,egoism,kiasuism,kiasism........etc.Conscience in my opinion is present and identical in everyone regardless of your upbringing and environment,its the other "voice" that would be greatly influence by the upbringing factors.Long term /short term/good /bad....it varies on how each person feels so I cant answer that.There are many ways to teach the minus and plus about life and it doesnt have to be specifically on money or relationship.Here is one of my stories.Last year I bought a very irresistable souvenir for my classroom but instead I gave it to the most selfish boy in class but before that I gave him 2 choices.First one is to share it with the class,he took the easy choice of course and kept in all for himself..after one day....3 days....one week nothing happened but on the 10th day he returned it to me and offered to give it to the class.I told him that what he did was noble and glad that he did the right thing.I gave him another souvenir and said "sometimes you have to lose a little to gain a lot".Conscience was his good guide on that day!!!Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:How can conscience be a good guide if it is so easily over-ridden? How do you know that the terrorist/politician over-rode his own conscience?
Does conscience take into account short term or long term good/harm? Is conscience sufficient a guide for complex activities like negotiations for a million dollars contract?
If a boy/girl is brought up in a brothel/war zone/urban slum, will his/her conscience be the same as a boy/girl brought up in a religious home or the home of rich parents?
Is it possible to have a win/win situation like you forgo certain monetary gains (let the other party have a little more than fair share) to settle the matter amicably/for good will/for good relationships; so that the "balance" is between "more money/less money" and "more money/good or bad relationship"?
What should the parent teach the child? Win/win; win/lose in terms of money or in terms of money/relationship for example?
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You have not answered the question: If conscience is so unreliable:Originally posted by Short Ninja:Conscience is a good guide unfortunately this little voice is often being drowned by a bigger one which I feel is not part of my conscience but more like a defense mechanism in me.Its so powerful that logically I would rather listen and act on this one.This include excuses ,self denial, egoism, kiasuism, kiasism........etc.Conscience in my opinion is present and identical in everyone regardless of your upbringing and environment,its the other "voice" that would be greatly influence by the upbringing factors.Long term /short term/good /bad....it varies on how each person feels so I cant answer that.There are many ways to teach the minus and plus about life and it doesnt have to be specifically on money or relationship.Here is one of my stories.Last year I bought a very irresistable souvenir for my classroom but instead I gave it to the most selfish boy in class but before that I gave him 2 choices.First one is to share it with the class,he took the easy choice of course and kept in all for himself..after one day....3 days....one week nothing happened but on the 10th day he returned it to me and offered to give it to the class.I told him that what he did was noble and glad that he did the right thing.I gave him another souvenir and said "sometimes you have to lose a little to gain a lot".Conscience was his good guide on that day!!!
1. can be "drowned by a bigger one .... include excuses ,self denial, egoism, kiasuism, kiasism........
2. "...it varies on how each person feels so I cant answer that"
How can you use something so undependable as a basis for your philosophy in life?
I do not agree that "Conscience .... is present and identical in everyone regardless of your upbringing and environment" but just agree to disagree.
How do you know that the boy was pricked by his conscience or he got sick and tired of the souvenir or he failed to sell it for a significant amount of money and that is why he returned it? -
Different people have their different philiosophy but there are some philosohpy that forms the fundemental of morals such as the pusnishment of crimes.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:You did not answer my question. If someone/many people thinks that you are wrong/bad/dangerous, and torture you because they think that you deserve it, will you accept it like you expect those you think are wrong and deserves to be tortured should accept it?
To me,when u punish a criminal,that act soley justifies your righteous actions.
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You wrote this:Originally posted by boka:Different people have their different philiosophy but there are some philosohpy that forms the fundemental of morals such as the pusnishment of crimes.
To me,when u punish a criminal,that act soley justifies your righteous actions.
Unless you are tellin me criminals need not be punished?
and this:Originally posted by boka:Guild lines are good but because humans makes mistakes,some of the laws are flawed and i do not abide by flaws
and this:Originally posted by boka:All. To ensure they are forever falling in a endless abyss of pain and anguish
Since you say the Laws are flawed; and somebody believes you and so they forget about the LAW and they think you are an idiot that needs to be tortured and destroyed because your are a menace and danger to society. Surely you will not object to that what! They believe the same things as you! If you say that they are an incorrigible idiot for doing that to you, then you are only describing yourself what! If you say that they have the right and they are right, then you might as well do them a favor and go kill yourself, right? Otherwise they catch you, they will also destroy you and worse... they torture you first.Originally posted by boka:We all know that the punishment most criminal faced are never heavy but yet still the law do not attempt to give them the deem desert.
When that does happen and one day i become a law enforcer,i'll make sure criminals experience torment before handing them over. -
I thought I gave my answer already.Maybe not the kind of answer you would like to hear but more like my own personal opinion and that is why I say I cant answer for anyone.I am trying to say conscience is there and its reliable only thing is that we choose to stay away when we feel shiok.I woudlnt know if the boy did try to sell the souvenirOriginally posted by AndrewPKYap:You have not answered the question: If conscience is so unreliable:
1. can be "drowned by a bigger one .... include excuses ,self denial, egoism, kiasuism, kiasism........
2. "...it varies on how each person feels so I cant answer that"
How can you use something so undependable as a basis for your philosophy in life?
I do not agree that "Conscience .... is present and identical in everyone regardless of your upbringing and environment" but just agree to disagree.
How do you know that the boy was pricked by his conscience or he got sick and tired of the souvenir or he failed to sell it for a significant amount of money and that is why he returned it? but something did make him feel no shiok and I believe it was his conscience.Ok Unker ar what is your own philosophy in life??? -
........and Unker if you disagree we are happy to listen to your argument
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How can you trust your own conscience? How do you know that it is your conscience and you are not (unconsciously, unknowingly): "drowned by a bigger one .... include excuses ,self denial, egoism, kiasuism, kiasism........"?Originally posted by Short Ninja:I thought I gave my answer already.Maybe not the kind of answer you would like to hear but more like my own personal opinion and that is why I say I cant answer for anyone.I am trying to say conscience is there and its reliable only thing is that we choose to stay away when we feel shiok.I woudlnt know if the boy did try to sell the souvenir but something did make him feel no shiok and I believe it was his conscience.Ok Unker ar what is your own philosophy in life???
How do you know that if you follow your conscience it will always result in good and not result in harm? (Need exasmples?)
How can you use something so undependable as a basis for your philosophy in life?Originally posted by Short Ninja:
Please see last post in page 2 of this thread.
[b]Ok Unker ar what is your own philosophy in life??? -
You wrote "CASE CLOSED"Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:Please see last post in page 2 of this thread. -
Whether or not I should declare my own philosophy, that case is closed.Originally posted by Short Ninja:You wrote "CASE CLOSED"
If I were to say, I would have to say something like: "My own philosophy is, I believe, an emergent property and it is influenced by Buddhism, Christianity, physicalism and the scientific method. I would say that it has elements of existentialism and agnosticism."
So I think I should just play referee and help people trying to think about/develop their own philosophy of life.
"CASE CLOSE" is better. -
You cant possbly be good referee so I am going to let you off with a yellow card this timeOriginally posted by AndrewPKYap:Whether or not I should declare my own philosophy, that case is closed.
If I were to say, I would have to say something like: "My own philosophy is, I believe, an emergent property and it is influenced by Buddhism, Christianity, physicalism and the scientific method. I would say that it has elements of existentialism and agnosticism."
So I think I should just play referee and help people trying to think about/develop their own philosophy of life.
"CASE CLOSE" is better. -
wah lao... referee give yellow card one OK, player cannot give referee yellow card one ok?Originally posted by Short Ninja:You cant possbly be good referee so I am going to let you off with a yellow card this time
I am the ref, I give you RED card then you know...
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Like that I can always walk out WAT! dowan to play oreddy cuz i have my soccer rights too........I am a Thai for crying out loudOriginally posted by AndrewPKYap:wah lao... referee give yellow card one OK, player cannot give referee yellow card one ok?
I am the ref, I give you RED card then you know... -
phi·los·o·phy
n., pl. -phies.
1. Love and pursuit of wisdom by intellectual means and moral self-discipline.
2. Investigation of the nature, causes, or principles of reality, knowledge, or values, based on logical reasoning rather than empirical methods.
3. A system of thought based on or involving such inquiry: the philosophy of Hume.
4. The critical analysis of fundamental assumptions or beliefs.
5. The disciplines presented in university curriculums of science and the liberal arts, except medicine, law, and theology.
6. The discipline comprising logic, ethics, aesthetics, metaphysics, and epistemology.
7. A set of ideas or beliefs relating to a particular field or activity; an underlying theory: an original philosophy of advertising.
8. A system of values by which one lives: has an unusual philosophy of life.
[Middle English philosophie, from Old French, from Latin philosophia, from Greek philosophiâ, from philosophos, lover of wisdom, philosopher. See philosopher.]
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
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Pertaining to No.8.:
"Do on to others as you would like others to onto you"
But unfortunately this has been corrupted to:
"Do on to others as others do on to you"
As in: You bomb me, I bomb you.
Most religion espouse the former philosophy.
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You DONT Play?Originally posted by Short Ninja:Like that I can always walk out WAT! dowan to play oreddy cuz i have my soccer rights too........I am a Thai for crying out loud 
You DONT Play? You DONT Play?
Then don't play lor....
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That is pretty profound and is very useful. Unfortunately it is lacking and it does not answer the question, "What if other people do not play by this rule?"Originally posted by mancha:8. A system of values by which one lives: has an unusual philosophy of life.
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Pertaining to No.8.:
"Do on to others as you would like others to onto you"
But unfortunately this has been corrupted to:
"Do on to others as others do on to you"
As in: You bomb me, I bomb you.
Most religion espouse the former philosophy.
Anarchist the later.
There is also the problem of "just because". Just because you think that it is the best course of action does not mean that it IS the best course of action. Like conscience, how RELIABLE is this? Just because you would like others to do this to you goes not mean that Other People wants to be treated like this.
This can also be an escape clause of a sick mind and that is, "I am so miserable I wish someone would kill me and so it is OK for me to kill others."
Or you might want someone to pray for you or send you to hospital but how sure are you that the other person wants this?
Finally this type of "Philosophy" is just too simplistic and it does not help you deal with career advancement, for example.
It does not help you to make many choices. While it might be useful as a mental tool to help you decide in many situations and circumstances, there are just too many unanswered questions in a simple statement like "Do unto others..." -
This is a philosophy of conduct for the individual.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:That is pretty profound and is very useful. Unfortunately it is lacking and it does not answer the question, "What if other people do not play by this rule?"
There is also the problem of "just because". Just because you think that it is the best course of action does not mean that it IS the best course of action. Like conscience, how RELIABLE is this? Just because you would like others to do this to you goes not mean that Other People wants to be treated like this.
This can also be an escape clause of a sick mind and that is, "I am so miserable I wish someone would kill me and so it is OK for me to kill others."
Or you might want someone to pray for you or send you to hospital but how sure are you that the other person wants this?
Finally this type of "Philosophy" is just too simplistic and it does not help you deal with career advancement, for example.
It does not help you to make many choices. While it might be useful as a mental tool to help you decide in many situations and circumstances, there are just too many unanswered questions in a simple statement like "Do unto others..."
People generally want happiness.
Not something as laughing all the time, but generally the avoidance of pain and discomfort would be sufficent.
One can look after oneself. But cannot control the actions others. A person would expect others not to accost him with an annoyance. And vice versa.
And therefore this Do-On-To-Others philosophy, is preached by sages through out the ages of humanity.
And you are right, there are people who do not play by the rules. Or have a "misguided" intrepretation of the philosophy. Thats their choice. They are never happy people to begin with, thats why they spread the discomfort. These people are to be avoided.
As for other aspects of living, like career advancement, this rule still apply as to interpersonal transactions. And this of course is to be weighed against strategy and politics of the work place.
This mantra is to help in getting along with others in society. It is not a magic capsule to a perfect life.
As for accumulating wealth, another philosophy is required.
You need to compile them as they come to you.
Thats er.......
philosophy. -
OOOiii!! how can like that one I thought CASE CLOSED......Referee Kayu!
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my philosophy in life is to, take pleasure in people miserable life
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Mine is
Give love, be compassionate, seek inner peace
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i am going for the 100 post!!!!!!!!