Uber, GrabCar drivers to have PDVL, background checks
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Originally posted by decent02:
Very simple plan. Brilliant. Step 1. Make use of TD to gain client Base. Step 2. Base large enough. Step 3 Taxi biz not so good in making profit Step 4 Since got client Base then promote own pte car n driver fleet. Step 5 Easily control Juz use pricing to entice client Economy increase...tthese apps co will come back again and offer prostitute more incentive haha.. the cycle continues......Step 4 and 5 cannot happen if gov regulate everything to the same level as taxi, same fare level as taxi. Put in all the rules that taxi have to private car app then allow them to run, or else ban it. Like other countries have already banned uber.
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If you look closely at the bonus payment in 2014, it does not make sense. They make 30 cents per booking but end of the month gives you more than the money you made for them. So losing business. Of course there are TD whom did not meet the target and also generate income for them. So in the long run issit profitable for them? They must already has a plan to do something else in future once they meet certain objectives. TD who chiong for them did not realized their sinous plans. Since TD cannot think for themselves then is important we have a union or association that really takes care of TD welfare. I dun see any now.
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Originally posted by sg11:
Step 4 and 5 cannot happen if gov regulate everything to the same level as taxi, same fare level as taxi. Put in all the rules that taxi have to private car app then allow them to run, or else ban it. Like other countries have already banned uber.
Step 4 happened already. Step 5 is easy. If I got 100 client and 2 fleets of car say type A and Type B. I can easily shift my clients preference by using fare structuring. -
No la. Dont think too much. Best is kill off taxi trade and render these buggers jobless. Let them go be janitors or cardboard collectors.
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Is the regulator know wat they r doing.
Taxi can use 7 yrs. Private car 10 yrs.
Taxi company need to meet availability, booking, hotline, 250km, etc standard. Cannot meet kena fine.
Private car nobody care.
Tdvl 25 hrs. Pdvl 10 hrs.
Taxi for singaporean. Private car open to international.
Insurance taxi campany. Private car dont know who.
Maintainence taxi company. Private car who cares. Driver n pax problem. No incentive for private car to do proper maintence.
Like that who still want to operate taxi company can close shop slowly.
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Originally posted by peterpan212:
Is the regulator know wat they r doing.
Taxi can use 7 yrs. Private car 10 yrs.
Taxi company need to meet availability, booking, hotline, 250km, etc standard. Cannot meet kena fine.
Private car nobody care.
Tdvl 25 hrs. Pdvl 10 hrs.
Taxi for singaporean. Private car open to international.
Insurance taxi campany. Private car dont know who.
Maintainence taxi company. Private car who cares. Driver n pax problem. No incentive for private car to do proper maintence.
8000- 10000 cars. Use 9000. 50% split between uber n grab. Avg each car contribute $200 fares per day.
20% of $200*4500 = $180k per day.
Like that who still want to operate taxi company can close shop slowly.
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Originally posted by peterpan212:
Is the regulator know wat they r doing.
Taxi can use 7 yrs. Private car 10 yrs.
Taxi company need to meet availability, booking, hotline, 250km, etc standard. Cannot meet kena fine.
Private car nobody care.
Tdvl 25 hrs. Pdvl 10 hrs.
Taxi for singaporean. Private car open to international.
Insurance taxi campany. Private car dont know who care. Uber n grab car not responsible of insurance.
Maintainence taxi company. Private car who cares. Driver n pax problem. No incentive for private car to do proper maintence. Uber n grab also not responsible of maintence.
Taxi fares follow published rates private car fares can anyhow change cause got demand. can 乘�打劫。no regulation.
8000 - 10000 private car. Say 9000. Avg car per day $200 fares. 50% split between uber n grab car.
20% * $200 *4500= $180k per day or 5.4 million per month. Private car growing. More money can be see.
Very good money no neex to invest car just middle man.
Like that compare who still want to operate taxi company can close shop slowly.
It is obvious that the million dollar minister is killing the taxi industrial.
Worst is taxi company going downhill still keep quiet. Pls learn property developer. Kpkb.
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Taxi trades will definitely die. But today surprisingly I follow mentor pool strategy. 11 trips in cbd.....not bad. Work 3 and a half hours .... got $143. Then drink beer .... close shop.
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Taxi drivers not stupid lah..They know from day one the incentives won't last one. Grabtaxi oso not stupid.
1. Grab start with grabtaxi. Build up taxi drivers base with huge incentives and customer base with huge discounts. You need these two hands to clap.
2. Then slowly reduce incentives. They know some TDs will run road on them.
3. No need to build customer base again cos they already have grabtaxi customer base. Then introduce grabcar lor...the number of new grabcar drivers far exceeds the number of TDs lost.
4. Now got grabcar and grabtaxi. No need worry customer got no taxi or car.
5. Grab has merged the two booking platforms into one - grabtaxi and grabcar. it's called Flash. Seamless and more efficient use of available taxis or cars. Pax just press a flash button. The booking goes to both taxis and cars to bid. Grabtaxi and grabcar drivers go fight it out amongst yourselves.
Why they succeed? Cos taxi drivers are not united. Now they kpkb oso no use cos many are addicted to grab liao, esp non-CDG drivers.
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I dun see much impact on the regulations on training but the backdoor to increasing pool of drivers may come from available foreign quotas for limo companies to hire PRs and work permit holders who should not be put off by the presence of car decals, and they are more hungry than TDs for pax, cheaper than TD's ride for pax, better responses than TDs and hence a boon for consumers.
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A paradigm shift to change the way structured-taxi companies operated from simply renting and increase rents, managing demand and increasing fares?
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More options for consumers as a result of TDs who keep choosing and rejecting pax, and maybe more options for TDs to choose taxi, car or join buses
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I read fb ppl post say smrt n TC goin to come out wit pte limo service
Anyone got info?
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For taxis to challenge apps, they must go back and revisit the basic fundamental of taxi industrial, and not expect to up their earning KPI year by year. It is time for them to lower the rental, so that cabbies will agree to lower fares to challenge the apps, and at the same time, re create a model of calls job that not only provide incentive to loyalty for pax, but also for drivers. But if taxi companies is still thinking of how to take more from rental and taxi drivers, instead of working hand with hand as partner, then I only say that it will become a down stream business. And drivers will naturally leave the company and seek better pasture..a term known as natural attrition.
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Taxi co to lower rental? tan kuku la
Tis will never happen
Ppl still can afford to takeover/drive bluetec leh
Gd luck to those omo lol
2 man operation still can survive at the moment
Does the 250km rule still being applied?
I also goin to enroll the PDVL soon
time to play double agent lol
No complaints fm me bcoz I didn't vote for them lol
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Originally posted by bowah:
For taxis to challenge apps, they must go back and revisit the basic fundamental of taxi industrial, and not expect to up their earning KPI year by year. It is time for them to lower the rental, so that cabbies will agree to lower fares to challenge the apps, and at the same time, re create a model of calls job that not only provide incentive to loyalty for pax, but also for drivers.
But if taxi companies is still thinking of how to take more from rental and taxi drivers, instead of working hand with hand as partner, then I only say that it will become a down stream business. And drivers will naturally leave the company and seek better pasture..a term known as natural attrition.
Taxi industry players noted that unlike cab companies, the newcomers are not required to meet service standards, their fleet expansion will not be restricted, they do not need to buy insurance policies that cover passengers, there is no restriction on vehicle age, and their cars attract far lower road taxes than cabs.
these are the key points that i already mentioned. taxi industry is going sunset. no company will invest in taxi now.
the huge money making part is the apps. uber n grab. u will see more such kind of company setup.
uber servers n back office r not in sg. just small office here. very little investment here but making good money here. gov attact such investment but few jobs creation here. if tis is the way to go, how to grow population to 6.9 mil. where are the job created? build infra, build property, build t4, where to find ppl to take these if not enough job for them. one way is to replace singaporean. private hired car welcome pr n wp holders. open to international. no need singaporean. wat future can u see?
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Sunset or not, depend on govt policies, like when japan start Uber, taxi was also deem to be sunset till their govt banned Uber, the taxi trade is back and serving much better. This is followed by Korean, who suspended Uber operation, and Taiwan, who also ban it, but still got illegal one doing it. These countries understood what is preservation of culture and holding of national integrity but our govt who insist on a open economy base on meritocracy values without much thought of the nation and its people who build this nation, we therefore, see many foreigners with real or fake certificates entering our shores (base on merit) and eroded our local culture which we all had been happily use to it. However, in recent debate, Govt do a U turn and proclaimed a Singapore Core policy base on lean manpower, this could be a political tool to win the heart of an already disheartened Locals.
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And these countries, japan, korea, german (partial ban), Holland (partial ban), Taiwan, and part of USA etc who banned Uber are also an open economy countries under the UN and OEDC membership, which Singapore is also part of it. If they can ban Uber to save job for their locals taxi drivers, why Singapore can't do it? the issue here is therefore, because of Grab, an investment arm of our Govt temasek, if you allow Grab, you must also allow Uber, otherwise, you cannot proclaim yourselve a free market city. So, I see it is double edge sword govt is doing here, on one hand trying to help TDs, on the other hand, promoting and legalizing apps rides and expect all to drive on the road complimenting each other. Japan who is going into driverless understood the needs of their taxi drivers, they already start training their driver on handling driverless technology, the programming, the road, the repair and the value chains. That is an upgrade for their drivers. But in Singapore, apps rides is still around, and when driverless come into the picture, foreigners may be operating it, and given skilfuture to individual, they expect Taxi driver to upgrade themselves...WTH.
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Dear Leaders
Just to further clarify on the Foreigners (PR n WP) can drive Uber n Grab Car issue
There are 3 types of Private Hire Car market:
1. Grab n Uber X
2. Traditional Pte Limo (individually owned like many ex taxi drivers who buy their own Viano n operate limo services on their own)
3. Traditional Limo Companies like San Tours, RMG Travel, etc... - these companies limo drivers are "Employed" on salary.
What MOT announced is for 1 n 2 services, drivers must set up sole proprietor transport company. Before the regulation, PR also can set up.
With this NEW regulations, ONLY SINGAPOREAN can set up.Sole Proprietor company PR and WP CANNOT.
So technically, they can't be uber or Grab driver.
Now when MOT said foreigner can also drive Pte Hire Vehicle - it is meant to be if you are "Employed - paid a salary by a transport Limo company".
So like San Tours or RMG, they may employed a PR to drive because their business already existed for more than 20 years.
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Once a taxi driver, forever a taxi driver!!!
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Originally posted by bowah:
Once a taxi driver, forever a taxi driver!!!
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Originally posted by Ct2220:
Dear Leaders
Just to further clarify on the Foreigners (PR n WP) can drive Uber n Grab Car issue
There are 3 types of Private Hire Car market:
1. Grab n Uber X
2. Traditional Pte Limo (individually owned like many ex taxi drivers who buy their own Viano n operate limo services on their own)
3. Traditional Limo Companies like San Tours, RMG Travel, etc... - these companies limo drivers are "Employed" on salary.
What MOT announced is for 1 n 2 services, drivers must set up sole proprietor transport company. Before the regulation, PR also can set up.
With this NEW regulations, ONLY SINGAPOREAN can set up.Sole Proprietor company PR and WP CANNOT.
So technically, they can't be uber or Grab driver.
Now when MOT said foreigner can also drive Pte Hire Vehicle - it is meant to be if you are "Employed - paid a salary by a transport Limo company".
So like San Tours or RMG, they may employed a PR to drive because their business already existed for more than 20 years.
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Imagine 1000 PR is driving 1000 Uber cars on the road now, there will be 1000 lesser passengers for Singaporean driver driving Taxi/Uber. Eventually Singaporean driver harder to find passenger and Singaporean driver still suffer. -
A funny remark from one of my friend driving Grabcar today.......
To put a decal telling people he is a Grabcar is the main concern by him.......
As he own his own car, a egolistism mentality still apply lor........
So, don't just think that only you all kpkb only......
Many are ex TD turn private car drivers.......
They also watching closely on all the "new development"........