views on taxi surcharges
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Surcharges to me can be re-done as in integrated into the main fare system w/ technology today
As for taxi, to me it's part of the multi model nature of public tpt.. there'll always ppl who needs e taxi because MRT & buses aren't suitable and ppl can ditch driving for cabs
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Originally posted by sbst275:
Surcharges to me can be re-done as in integrated into the main fare system w/ technology today
As for taxi, to me it's part of the multi model nature of public tpt.. there'll always ppl who needs e taxi because MRT & buses aren't suitable and ppl can ditch driving for cabs
Yes!!! Integrate into the fare system.
Yes, there will always be commuters who wants taxis over buses and mrts, but at what ratio. Encourage ppl to ditch cars for cabs, increase the service standards and balance the economics for owning a car and taking cabs. Taxi ride from west to east or vice versa per working day can costs more than instalment payments for a car. People will buy car.
Go back to the PARF system instead of COEs and have better control of car population? Lower taxi rentals so everyone can afford taxi rides. Man, we are retrogressing, we need something forward to solve this problem....................
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Originally posted by Poolman:
why taxi demand low ? Why isn't there a problem before they implement the new fare structure ?
there was a problem, that's why the implementation of the new fare structure. taxi drivers had not have a pay raise for umpteen years. but the re-adjustment was okay until these crises. tweakings of timings and surcharges are needed to balance fares. peak hours, people siam, non peak hours taxi drivers make too little. BALANCE is needed. -
Surcharges are to help Temasek show a profit after losing tens of billions to foreigners.
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Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:
Surcharges are to help Temasek show a profit after losing tens of billions to foreigners.
Er, Andrew say something to progress instead of hendak kaki or POINTING. Thanks.
Discuss and draw a solution if possible. -
Somebody must have brains out there. He who has owns the world.
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Originally posted by thelionsleepstonight:
Yes!!! Integrate into the fare system.
Yes, there will always be commuters who wants taxis over buses and mrts, but at what ratio. Encourage ppl to ditch cars for cabs, increase the service standards and balance the economics for owning a car and taking cabs. Taxi ride from west to east or vice versa per working day can costs more than instalment payments for a car. People will buy car.
Go back to the PARF system instead of COEs and have better control of car population? Lower taxi rentals so everyone can afford taxi rides. Man, we are retrogressing, we need something forward to solve this problem....................
well at e end of e day, it's control over price of ownership of cars as well. you make it expensive to own a car at e start, it'll help as well being a deter factor (Of course at e same time, possibly encourage OPC more since ppl would or might need a car for leisure i.e. going to M'sia)
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day shift no diff , u try night shift .
if night shift from 5pm to 8pm , normally without 35% peak hour charge average collection is $90 - $110 , that night should be a ok night . Now if $65-$80 , then that whole evening consider gone case . Cos after 10.30pm is about how near are you from town .
Day shift every hdb area got chance , night shift only town , or near town .
How to compare ?
If the 35% peak hour surcharge is a problem , main problem , without it , taxi drivers are a happy lot .
Poolie...so with or without is better now?
35% surcharges if that is the probelm. so let say they withdraw th surcharges back to normal like as sat, sun and public holidays.
So which is which? Than.
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i think poolie's got a point. now if the 35% surcharge is reduced to 15%-20%, i think the impact on cabbies is not that great but is likely to draw more people to take taxis. and the increased number of trips should be able to make up for the reduction in surcharge. my own experience...working the same hours on a saturday as a weekday, collection is about the same (or sometimes slightly more), despite not having the 35% surcharge on saturday mornings.
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I think LTA is not going to do anything since it's alrdy 'de-regulated' and e attitude seems taxis are needed when they're, while treated like private cars when not needed i.e. only needed during F1 or ad hoc events
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Originally posted by kinwashi:
day shift no diff , u try night shift .
if night shift from 5pm to 8pm , normally without 35% peak hour charge average collection is $90 - $110 , that night should be a ok night . Now if $65-$80 , then that whole evening consider gone case . Cos after 10.30pm is about how near are you from town .
Day shift every hdb area got chance , night shift only town , or near town .
How to compare ?
If the 35% peak hour surcharge is a problem , main problem , without it , taxi drivers are a happy lot .
Poolie...so with or without is better now?
35% surcharges if that is the probelm. so let say they withdraw th surcharges back to normal like as sat, sun and public holidays.
So which is which? Than.
I did not said peak hour surcharge must be wirhdrawn , i suggested a balance , reduction , to bring in the crowd back . Some will come back , some will remain with MRT and buses ( those who used to it ) .
Earlier i said 20% is the win win situation .
If u are saying totally 0 peak hour like those of Sunday and PH , then i would not agree on it .
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Originally posted by Poolman:
I did not said peak hour surcharge must be wirhdrawn , i suggested a balance , reduction , to bring in the crowd back . Some will come back , some will remain with MRT and buses ( those who used to it ) .
Earlier i said 20% is the win win situation .
If u are saying totally 0 peak hour like those of Sunday and PH , then i would not agree on it .
get rid of all the surcharges lar, then a lot of people will start taking cabs le.
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Originally posted by Poolman:
Current flag down $2.80 - $3.20 , absolutely justifiable .
Peak hour surcharge , must be lowered , to match the demand & supply theory !!! There must be a break point , where everything is in a balance situation , not so much , not so little , MRT happy , taxi happy ..... commuters happy .
20% is the most ideal !!!!
$10 fare , peak hour $2 , fair !!!
This is what i mentioned earlier , i didn't suggested a total zero surcharge . Then i can dilly dally each morning or evening , since no rush . Who care about those rushing to airport ? I make sense here ?This is what peak hour is for , to motivate drivers to work on time .
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Originally posted by marcteng:
get rid of all the surcharges lar, then a lot of people will start taking cabs le.
Then if no surcharge motivation , why should i rush to Airport from Tampines ?Why should i reach the button for bookings ?
Why should i rush into IR resort ?
Why should i support the rush period from 9pm to 10.30pm ?
What will u do if you are a guest in Sentosa , any hotel , and u need to go home , but no buses available , but u got lot of cash ..... can afford take cab , so u ring for a cab , 6552-1111 , which cab driver would want to dash from say Harbourtfront into Sentosa , to serve you , FOR FREE ????
Especially Harbourfront Centre and Vivo City has got ready commuters at taxi stand ??? Pick and Go , not trouble ?
Go think about it .
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without airport surcharge , airport tourist are in deep trouble trying to get a cab .
Which driver would want to waste diesel to travel to Airport , for the same flag down of $2.80 fare where he can get at Tampines Mall or White Sand SC ????
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Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:
Surcharges are to help Temasek show a profit after losing tens of billions to foreigners.
surcharges is 100% meant for cabbies , taxi companies get nothing from those surcharges . -
Originally posted by sbst275:
Surcharges to me can be re-done as in integrated into the main fare system w/ technology today
As for taxi, to me it's part of the multi model nature of public tpt.. there'll always ppl who needs e taxi because MRT & buses aren't suitable and ppl can ditch driving for cabs
Back in 2007 , when the old fare was running , taxi was said to be insufficient in Sgp .So for a change , Comfort re-construct the whole fare system @ near 2008, main change 35% peak hour surcharge instead of that just $1 .
It's a big change .... expensive and inbalance change for me .
Some rather be late for work rather than catching a cab to work .
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Originally posted by Poolman:
Back in 2007 , when the old fare was running , taxi was said to be insufficient in Sgp .So for a change , Comfort re-construct the whole fare system @ near 2008, main change 35% peak hour surcharge instead of that just $1 .
It's a big change .... expensive and inbalance change for me .
Some rather be late for work rather than catching a cab to work .
I still remember tis issue back then. to me, 15% surcharge would be better -
went to the airport today.
was near the taxi stand and i saw..
to city : S$18 - S$38
wide range wor.
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alot of pax told me the $3 CBD make no sense,I told them if LTA take away the $3, 8/10 cabby will choose not to enter town & you then have to on-call $3.50 LPPL
just like wat pool said abt airport,y should i go in town & very likely kena traffic jam where I pick people outside also $2.80
but then again with the $3, pax at places like vivo,scotts rd,great world city,tekka all suffer,seeing empty taxi like see gold after 8pm,only to see 1 by 1 zoom past them as though they r invisible,this really pose a major problem i feel
Another point to mention is pay day time,just like last night pay day plus garment give $$$,all taxi bros huat,I start 5pm by 11pm already hit $220 wash car go home early koon
Even smart & prime taxi also on-call like mad WoW
That set me to think are people really so poor can't afford to take taxi during normal day & rush to take taxi when pay day etc?
what peak hr 35%? CBD $3? on-call $3.50? 1hr alone I got 2 calls in town during peak hr last evening,I'm with SMRT you know not comfort
but if it's not pay day,during peak hr I can even switch off my MDT
So conclusion,people don't take taxi bcos no $$$ or becos surcharges?
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sincerely...till today.
never encounter any probelm with the 35% surcharges with paxs.
so far so good...if going back to 20% surcharges, will there be an increase of ridership.
Look ...like those ERPs at CTE morning peak, in the morning you can paid as much as $6.50 for the 2 gantries. Still many are using it. Can say peoples over here just KPKB than they forget it.
Just an example during morning peak this pax from hougang ave 7 to changi general hospital.
distance 10.1km. 7.32am to 7.49am
fare 9.00. peak hour 35% ...$3.15. total $12.15.
If 20% surcharges he can save only $1.80.
My question.
Like this pax heading for medical checkup...so the other mean of transport will be MRT or Bus, could he reached the hospital within this short times and to the doorstep.
Taxi can...so i think for $1.80 he is still willing to pay for it.
So bo pian you must pay for your own convenient.
So peak hours is not a big issue.
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thing is, there'll still be ppl who need e taxi but it's less
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day shift no diff , u try night shift .
Ok...Poolie.
During day only 2 and the half hour peak hours to run.
If today.... like me example, i got five of those above paxs distances like 10.1km.
Just only five of them...peak hours already completed...collection extra $3.15X5= $15.75. on peak hour.
So my question $15.75 not a big deal, what 35% contributing as i mention before.
Current situation are not as like last time...getting five short also a probelm... you know how many limousine are joining us on the road rounding for pax and at taxi stands in the morning, those days hardly see them... all are at hotels and airports, how... they like rounding the streets. time changes.
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maybe day shift and evening shift makes a big diff , in terms of the hours of surcharges round the clock .
Day shift is jam jam jam ... peak hour and no peak hour , i guess , don't make a big deal for day drivers .
Evening shift .... u got no idea if i pick a few extra within the CBD from 5.00pm to 8pm , i can make connect of $30-$40 extra compared to those at HBD area cruising for paxes .
Kin don't see the diff , evening shift do have more extras , and the peak hours surcharge now create a stop-go-stop-go rhythm , we used to enjoy smooth cruising rhythm before the fare hike .
We used to enjoy regular booking from 5.00pm t0 6.30pm inside cbd before the price hike .
Flag down $2.80 .
Peak hour surcharge $1
City Surcharge $2
Booking fee $3.50
From Suntec tower 5 to Ritz Carlton , pax open the door , closed , meter already $9.30 !!!!!
Where got such good lobang from Suntec to Ritz Carlton $10 , 5 minutes job ???
Day shift just don't have those luxuries .
Then those bastards start off this nonsense peak hour 35% surcharge .
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Originally posted by Teolk:
alot of pax told me the $3 CBD make no sense,I told them if LTA take away the $3, 8/10 cabby will choose not to enter town & you then have to on-call $3.50 LPPL
just like wat pool said abt airport,y should i go in town & very likely kena traffic jam where I pick people outside also $2.80
but then again with the $3, pax at places like vivo,scotts rd,great world city,tekka all suffer,seeing empty taxi like see gold after 8pm,only to see 1 by 1 zoom past them as though they r invisible,this really pose a major problem i feel
Another point to mention is pay day time,just like last night pay day plus garment give $$$,all taxi bros huat,I start 5pm by 11pm already hit $220 wash car go home early koon
Even smart & prime taxi also on-call like mad WoW
That set me to think are people really so poor can't afford to take taxi during normal day & rush to take taxi when pay day etc?
what peak hr 35%? CBD $3? on-call $3.50? 1hr alone I got 2 calls in town during peak hr last evening,I'm with SMRT you know not comfort
but if it's not pay day,during peak hr I can even switch off my MDT
So conclusion,people don't take taxi bcos no $$$ or becos surcharges?
alot of pax told me the $3 CBD make no sense,I told them if LTA take away the $3, 8/10 cabby will choose not to enter town & you then have to on-call $3.50 LPPL
That happens after 8pm , peak hour they really no need to book a cab .
So my own conclusion is , if no money , where they need to book a cab after 8pm ?
Why dun they take a cab between peak hours ?
Don't you see a rush of cabs after peak hours ?