Hui Neng's No Bodhi poem is not great enlightenment

• An Eternal Now

  13 Jan 11, 21:14

  Talk by my Taiwanese teacher, Missionary Chen Ming An.

  

   

  

   

  

   

  

   

  

  

  

   

   

   

  

• Dawnfirstlight

  19 Jan 11, 16:04

  I think I missed this post earlier. Nice article. I did not know there is another poem from master Hui Neng which is more enlightened than "No Bodhi" poem. This poem is difficult to understand if without the explanation from the article above.

   

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• sinweiy

  19 Jan 11, 17:30

  can't see the characters btw...?

• Dawnfirstlight

  19 Jan 11, 17:56

  Originally posted by sinweiy:

  can't see the characters btw...?

  Err.... don't know why can't edit.

  惠能无支俩，

  �断百�想，

  对境心数起，

  ��作么长。

• Amitayus48

  21 Jan 11, 09:10

  Originally posted by Dawnfirstlight:

  Err.... don't know why can't edit.

  惠能无支俩，

  �断百�想，

  对境心数起，

  ��作么长。

  The above was given advice to 臥輪禪師�云 that 臥輪禪師 did not see bodhi.

• sinweiy

  21 Jan 11, 10:07

  that's new to me. i agreed the No Bodhi poem is still on emptiness.

  i know the one:-

  禅宗六祖慧能师《六祖��》里的一��:"何期自性本自清�,何期自性本�生�,何期自性本自俱足,何期自性本无动摇,何期自性能生万法"

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• Amitayus48

  21 Jan 11, 12:48

  ��is��, 试问那有长或没长的区别呢! I did not attain that level! Amitofo

• Dawnfirstlight

  21 Jan 11, 13:39

  Originally posted by Amitayus48:

  ��is��, 试问那有长或没长的区别呢! I did not attain that level! Amitofo

   

  Let me explain the meaning, ha ha..... actually not from me, the explanation is from AEN's master. He said "No Bodhi" poem is not great enlightenment because there is still an emptiness（空相） whereas this poem which was composed after Master Hui Neng was enlightened. Meaning after the 5th master explained the Diamond sutra to Master Hui Neng.

  There is not even a　（空相）in this poem, so it is considered great enlightenment.

  惠能无支俩，- 我没有一个法�修，所以也没有一个法��。所以�对这个念头，也�必去�。

  �断百�想，- 我照样有在想，但是我�被迷，�被这个念头所迷。

  对境心数起，- 我�对外在的，�对念头，我知�好�，但我�起无明。

  ��作么长。- ��还是圆滚滚的。���然清净光明。

   

• An Eternal Now

  21 Jan 11, 21:01

  Originally posted by Dawnfirstlight:

   

  Let me explain the meaning, ha ha..... actually not from me, the explanation is from AEN's master. He said "No Bodhi" poem is not great enlightenment because there is still an emptiness（空相） whereas this poem which was composed after Master Hui Neng was enlightened. Meaning after the 5th master explained the Diamond sutra to Master Hui Neng.

  There is not even a　（空相）in this poem, so it is considered great enlightenment.

  惠能无支俩，- 我没有一个法�修，所以也没有一个法��。所以�对这个念头，也�必去�。

  �断百�想，- 我照样有在想，但是我�被迷，�被这个念头所迷。

  对境心数起，- 我�对外在的，�对念头，我知�好�，但我�起无明。

  ��作么长。- ��还是圆滚滚的。���然清净光明。

   

  Ch'an Patriarch Hui Neng's first poem conveys only the initial realization of our luminous essence, with the dualistic tendency still strong, there is a strong tendency to cling to the formless presence.

  The initial realization of this essence is only the formless, luminous, bright and lucid, unborn aspect of our essence... the aspect that pristine awareness does not lose its lucidity and brightness and no dust can alight whether in samsara or nirvana. At this point, Awareness can still be seen dualistically - as an ultimate background of phenomena, a lucid void behind all manifestation.

  The second poem conveys the insight into non-duality... the aspect that all phenomena (all thoughts, sight, sound, etc) are the expression of the same essence and nature.

  It is the realization that 心，佛，众生, 三无差别. It is the realization that there isn't three things: thinker, thinking, and thought, but only a self-luminous process of thinking/thoughts without thinker. It is the realization that there isn't three things: seer, seeing, and seen, but only a self-luminous process of seeing/scenery without seer. The expression/manifestation itself is Buddha-Nature.

  Related to a summary of my recent writing... (am thinking of sending it to my teacher as well)

  深入观行, 婆酰迦�.
  了悟�旨, 直指无心.
  无执能所, 忘�身心.
  方知�性, �需明相.
  明相�性, �色明心.
  真心空性, �缘显相.
  迷时幻相, 悟时真心.
  山河大地, 原是法身.
  色声香味, 尽是妙心.

• sinweiy

  21 Jan 11, 21:07

  看山是山，看山�是山，看山�是山

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• Amitayus48

  23 Jan 11, 11:06

  Originally posted by sinweiy:

  看山是山，看山�是山，看山�是山

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• Wiser

  31 Jan 11, 22:26

  Very Rare Hokkien Buddhist song

   

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• sinweiy

  1 Feb 11, 17:18

  i like the flower example to explain 应无所� 而生其心.

  when i held a flower, do u first see the flower or do u know it's a flower?

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