Originally posted by Zenist69:Whats the duty, responsibility of a Dharma Master? To teach worldly knowledge or to teach Buddhadharma? What's his duty Jing Kong Dharma Master?
Dun tell me Buddhism, dun have a single sutra, book which cannot handle wat Di Zi Gui handle? So why does a Dharma Master need to resort to use wai dao books 'teaches to abandon greed, hatred and folly...' ?
don't think he never teach Buddhadharma. the saying Buddhadharma does not seperate from worldly knowledge. 佛法�离世间法.
"dao" mean Way. a way of the path. if u use the example in Buddha's time where the praxis see a cow die and born to heaven, he also go and behave like a cow is waidao/cult/wrong view. a book teaching basic filial piety for children is not evil to me.
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Originally posted by Zenist69:- Whether Buddhism is a religion or not, its just labels. Some say it is, some say not. Some say its part religion part something. Doesn't matter to me. The crux of the matter is whether it works, whether it could get rid of the pain, whether it could bring us happiness, and wisdom.
- What are u suggesting? That all other religions are true, are 究竟? That Buddhadharma is just like all other religions??
no, u taking things out of context. 究竟 is different meaning. if one see thing due to their label and not the meaning, then it's quite dogmatic already.
if this is the logic, then
Lotus sutra, Chapter 25 : The Universal Door of Guanshi yin Bodhisattva 普門�
is also waidao. Guanshi yin Bodhisattva is waidao? as Guanshi yin Bodhisattva transform him/herself into other form body to teach dharma suitable to the one listening.
Buddha teached the Lotus sutra what.
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Originally posted by Zenist69:Buddhism dun need to use wai dao books as FOUNDATION. I dun mind read wai dao books. But not as substitute for Buddhism! If I am not mistaken, Jing Kong Dharma Master is suggesting people should go study those wai dao books as FOUNDATION for Buddhism! Entry to Buddhism! That, to me, is wrong view, wrong action of Jing Kong Dharma Master and his sect.
fyi, not only him, when Buddhism came to china, there were smaller teaching on morality, but during then china children were already practicing Dizigui and their morality were already quite high, hence Buddhists can straight away study the higher teaching. so slowly the ancient past masters removed the smaller teachings. but nowaday, this basic is gone due to modernization and people stressing on money making, hence he bring the basic teachings back only. simple reason. not to replace all together. after that we still need to study higher.
if u can use a single sutra in Buddhism to up your morality, by all mean, do so.
it's up to individual.
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Originally posted by Zenist69:Its wrong to embrace wai dao teachings from Buddhism point of view. Because those wai dao teachings are incomplete, are flawed. If wai dao books are complete, perfect, are in line with Buddhism view, they will not be wai dao, they will be Buddhism.
Take for example . This part from Di Zi Gui. 父�教，须敬�。Parents teaches, must listen. Really? Parents ask the children to go squash roaches and ants in the apartment. Must the children obey? Its earthly, worldly education! There are something higher than this. Buddhism dun need to embrace Confucius teachings as part of greater understanding. 'cause wai dao teachings are incomplete, are flawed.
To say that wanna practice, study Buddhism must start from study Confucius teachings, using Confucius or Daoism teachings as foundation, as entry to Buddhism, thats just wrong view. Buddhism has got entry level material. No need to resort to wai dao books as entry to Buddhism.
u taking one thing out of context. if so i can also find and pin point many incomplete teaching from any masters from a limited period of listening to that particular master. i think one need to see the whole picture instate. it's like judging an elephant is only the part on the trunk.
many years of listen to him, i don't think it's incomplete. as a matter of fact, his pureness standard pretty high to meet for me. :)
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Originally posted by sinweiy:
don't think he never teach Buddhadharma. the saying Buddhadharma does not seperate from worldly knowledge. 佛法�离世间法."dao" mean Way. a way of the path. if u use the example in Buddha's time where the praxis see a cow die and born to heaven, he also go and behave like a cow is waidao/cult/wrong view. a book teaching basic filial piety for children is not evil to me.
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Of course he got teach Buddhadharma, but he don't have to resort to using wai dao books such as Di Zi Gui or Tai Shang Gan Yin Pian. There are plenty of entry level Buddhism books for people to read. He dun have to advocate using Di Zi Gui as foundation, entry for Buddhism. Buddhism is up to standard in covering the basic, entry level Buddhism. Dun have to resort to using wai dao books.
By advocating wai dao books to cover the basic, serving as entry and foundation to Buddhism, that action is implying that Buddhism is not up to standard in covering the basic of Buddhism, not up to standard to serve as entry and foundation of Buddhism.
Originally posted by sinweiy:
no, u taking things out of context. 究竟 is different meaning. if one see thing due to their label and not the meaning, then it's quite dogmatic already.if this is the logic, then
Lotus sutra, Chapter 25 : The Universal Door of Guanshi yin Bodhisattva 普門�
is also waidao. Guanshi yin Bodhisattva is waidao? as Guanshi yin Bodhisattva transform him/herself into other form body to teach dharma suitable to the one listening.
Buddha teached the Lotus sutra what.
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What label u talking about? I am not crazy about label. Its Jing Kong Dharma Master luv to talk about Buddhism is not religion, not me.
Pu Meng Pin is Buddhism sutra/ book isn't it? So why is it wai dao? I am sorry, I dun noe what are u talking about.
Originally posted by sinweiy:fyi, not only him, when Buddhism came to china, there were smaller teaching on morality, but during then china children were already practicing Dizigui and their morality were already quite high, hence Buddhists can straight away study the higher teaching. so slowly the ancient past masters removed the smaller teachings. but nowaday, this basic is gone due to modernization and people stressing on money making, hence he bring the basic teachings back only. simple reason. not to replace all together. after that we still need to study higher.
if u can use a single sutra in Buddhism to up your morality, by all mean, do so.
it's up to individual.
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Are u saying Buddhism dun have books or sutras to cover the basic of Buddhism? If there are indeed books or sutras to cover the basic of Buddhism, entry level reading material, then why Jing Kong Dharma Master resort to use wai dao books such as Di Zi Gui, and Tai Shang Gan Yin Pian, etc??
Originally posted by sinweiy:u taking one thing out of context. if so i can also find and pin point many incomplete teaching from any masters from a limited period of listening to that particular master. i think one need to see the whole picture instate. it's like judging an elephant is only the part on the trunk.
many years of listen to him, i don't think it's incomplete. as a matter of fact, his pureness standard pretty high to meet for me. :)
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I am talking about Di Zi Gui in my previous message to xxxxpap. Not Jing Kong Dharma Master teaching.
And if we gonna talk about Jing Kong Dharma Master teachings, I think there are website out there point out many of his wrong views. Many many wrong views...
Originally posted by Zenist69:What label u talking about? I am not crazy about label. Its Jing Kong Dharma Master luv to talk about Buddhism is not religion, not me.
Pu Meng Pin is Buddhism sutra/ book isn't it? So why is it wai dao? I am sorry, I dun noe what are u talking about.
to me 佛法�离世间法 as long as a teaching don't teach people to act like animal, do strange ritual, kill people, steal things, do sucide bombing and hurt people etc, they are all good dharma, not waidao/wrong view. dao� is to have �� Rationality.
u read the Pu Meng Pin word only or got understand the meaning?
http://www.buddhistdoor.com/oldweb/resources/sutras/lotus/sources/lotus25.htm
it mean Guanshi yin can manifest into other religion's founder to teach dharma to the follower. moreover Confucius 儒家 not religion, as there's no Godhead. it's a family teaching.
if really wrong, i'm sure the Dharma protectors will not allow it.
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Originally posted by sinweiy:to me 佛法�离世间法 as long as a teaching don't teach people to act like animal, do strange ritual, kill people, steal things, do sucide bombing and hurt people etc, they are all good dharma, not waidao/wrong view. dao� is to have �� Rationality.
u read the Pu Meng Pin word only or got understand the meaning?
http://www.buddhistdoor.com/oldweb/resources/sutras/lotus/sources/lotus25.htm
it mean Guanshi yin can manifest into other religion's founder to teach dharma to the follower. moreover Confucius 儒家 not religion, as there's no Godhead. it's a family teaching.
if really wrong, i'm sure the Dharma protectors will not allow it.
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Confucius thinking, wats the gist of it? Crudely put, it emphasize in blindly obeying the authority. The emphasis is respect the authority, obey the authority with all our heart. That kind of view, teaching, attitude is flawed. There are times authority need to be challenged. Some inhuman cruel regime, such as Nazi regime, Fascist regime gotta be challenge and topple. Not blindly obey them. It might bring stability to society in foresight, but in hindsight, there's great hidden danger in the teaching of Confucius thinking.
Jing Kong Dharma Master, a Dharma Master supposedly should uphold Buddhadharma, spread the Dharma, teach the Dharma, set good example to the people, etc. Not teaching flawed teaching such as Confucius thinking, a flawed philosophy. Thats not wat a Dharma Master should do.
And also, to stress and advocate those Confucius books and Daoism books as entry to Buddhism and foundation to Buddhism, he's insulting Buddhism. 'cause he see Buddhism no up in doing the job as entry to Buddhism, foundation to Buddhism. Its bias of him to do that. Buddhism has got plenty of entry level reading material, books and all that, he dun have to resort to use wai dao books.
where got blindly obeying? that's pure discrimination. Nazism is Nazism. sorry, think u over already.