Happiness in life - A detail talk in Di Zi Gui

• Zenist69

  20 Dec 10, 13:39

  I think its inappropriate of me, a Buddhist, to recommend Di Zi Gui for people to read, so I am going to delete all the posts here in this thread. My apologies.

  AMTF

• Zenist69

  21 Dec 10, 09:02

  I think its inappropriate of me, a Buddhist, to recommend Di Zi Gui for people to read, so I am going to delete all the posts here in this thread. My apologies.

  AMTF

• Zenist69

  21 Dec 10, 23:06

  I think its inappropriate of me, a Buddhist, to recommend Di Zi Gui for people to read, so I am going to delete all the posts here in this thread. My apologies.

  AMTF

   

• Zenist69

  22 Dec 10, 17:02

  I think its inappropriate of me, a Buddhist, to recommend Di Zi Gui for people to read, so I am going to delete all the posts here in this thread. My apologies.

  AMTF

• Zenist69

  23 Dec 10, 00:01

  I think its inappropriate of me, a Buddhist, to recommend Di Zi Gui for people to read, so I am going to delete all the posts here in this thread. My apologies.

  AMTF

• Zenist69

  30 Dec 10, 16:47

  Its ignorance of me. And a sin.

  "《瑜伽师地论》�七�五摄 决择分中��地之四对此�问题有明确开示：

  
  “若以å�¶çº¸ä¹¦ä¼¼æ­£æ³•å�Šå¤–é�“论，或先已书，授彼信解众生手中，或åŠ�他与，当知有罪。è�©è�¨å”¯åº”åŠ�彼弃èˆ�手中异论，或令书写诸佛圣教，或自欲知彼ä¸�å�šå®žï¼Œä¸�应开示。”

  这是说，如果用纸书写相似法和外�论�人信�，�论是自己亲自给别人还是�其他人给，都是�犯��戒的（有罪）。��应该�人�弃这些异论（异于正法），用这些纸书写诸佛的正法。"

   

   

• Amitayus48

  2 Jan 11, 11:56

  《观无é‡�寿佛ç»�》里é�¢èŠ‚录出æ�¥çš„“净业三ç¦�”。一ã€�å­�养父æ¯�。奉事师长。慈心ä¸�æ�€ã€‚ä¿®å��善业。This sutra is from your inherent Buddha Sakyamuni. Di Zhi Dui revealing your happy life of being a good child/person. In fact, all races, and cultural backgrounds including animals, dieties, ghosts, more or less performing Di Zhi Gui, and Buddhism are the expansion of the loving kindness of Di Zhi Gui, and with an added important teachings on "To purify one's mind"  - truthfully from knowing oneness in all, and all is oneness.

  Namo Buddha Amitabha

   

• Zenist69

  3 Jan 11, 10:53

  Which means Di Zi Gui is not complete. �究竟。I dun think its appropriate for Buddhist to recommend wai dao books to others. For that, I think Jing Kong's sect is wrong. They shouldn't recommend that book Di Zi Gui to others. Especially, Jing Kong dharma master himself. He's a Dharma Master. He should noe better.

• sinweiy

  3 Jan 11, 21:04

  Originally posted by Zenist69:

  Which means Di Zi Gui is not complete. �究竟。I dun think its appropriate for Buddhist to recommend wai dao books to others. For that, I think Jing Kong's sect is wrong. They shouldn't recommend that book Di Zi Gui to others. Especially, Jing Kong dharma master himself. He's a Dharma Master. He should noe better.

  
  where u get the idea? if not complete, than small vehicle dharma is also wai dao外�? the logic is not there. small vehicle dharma also taught by Buddha.

  must know, what's the meaning of wai dao 外�?

  it mean to seek Truth outside of the mind is external dharma. 心外求法外�.

  Di Zi Gui is just a basic foundation of a human; a moral code. same goes for moral precepts(sila) and ten deeds sutra å��善业ç»�. without the root of being a good human, how to practice higher Buddhism? it's like a flower in a vase, there's no root. only look good, but no basic of morality. Buddha did stress on morality.

  we cannot judge a book by it's cover. u need to see the content and the meaning. use the mind to think what it represent. ask does it make a person do unwholesome stuff, etc?

  Buddha said if u don't first practice the foundation of smaller dharma and straight away practice greater dharma, is like building a second level without the first level. not possible to achieve good result.

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• Zenist69

  3 Jan 11, 21:24

  DI ZI GUI IS NOT PART OF OF BUDDHISM. PERIOD. AS LONG AS ITS NOT BUDDHISM, ITS WAI DAO. JING KONG DHARMA MASTER IS IN THE WRONG TO RECOMMEND PEOPLE TO GO READ CONFUCIOUS BOOK, AND TAOISM BOOK. HE SHOULD KNOW BETTER, HE'S A DHARMA MASTER.

  "《瑜伽师地论》�七�五摄 决择分中��地之四对此�问题有明确开示：

  
  “若以å�¶çº¸ä¹¦ä¼¼æ­£æ³•å�Šå¤–é�“论，或先已书，授彼信解众生手中，或åŠ�他与，当知有罪。è�©è�¨å”¯åº”åŠ�彼弃èˆ�手中异论，或令书写诸佛圣教，或自欲知彼ä¸�å�šå®žï¼Œä¸�应开示。”

  这是说，如果用纸书写相似法和外�论�人信�，�论是自己亲自给别人还是�其他人给，都是�犯��戒的（有罪）。��应该�人�弃这些异论（异于正法），用这些纸书写诸佛的正法。"

• sinweiy

  3 Jan 11, 22:01

  like that u had also wronged the teacher before him and the teacher before his teacher, 13th pureland patriarch Yin Guang already. 13th pureland patriarch Yin Guang save all his money and printed a whole lot on Daoism book refering to cause and effect examples to teach many people nowaday, saying people nowaday need to know more about cause and effect.

  i use the four reliance å››ä¾�法 of Buddha. i rely on the meaning.

  �义��语。 �智��识. i think they know better than us. how many years we learn to say they don't know.

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• sinweiy

  3 Jan 11, 22:14

  there's also a "sin" on Broadcasting the Faults of the Assembly .

  6. Sixth Major Precept On Broadcasting the Faults of the Assembly A disciple of the Buddha must not himself broadcast the misdeeds or infractions of Bodhisattva-clerics or Bodhisattva-laypersons, or of [ordinary] monks and nuns -- nor encourage others to do so. He must not create the causes, conditions, methods, or karma of discussing the offenses of the assembly. As a Buddha's disciple, whenever he hears evil persons, externalists or followers of the Two Vehicles speak of practices contrary to the Dharma or contrary to the precepts within the Buddhist community, he should instruct them with a compassionate mind and lead them to develop wholesome faith in the Mahayana. If instead, he discusses the faults and misdeeds that occur within the assembly, he commits a Parajika offense.

  http://buddhism.sgforums.com/forums/1728/topics/418654

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• Zenist69

  3 Jan 11, 22:24

  Di Zi Gui is confucious book. Tai Shang Gan Yin Pian is taoism. Confucious books and Taoism books, are those wai dao books? Yes or No? If they are wai dao books, then any Dharma Master shouldn't recommend people to read them, no? Or is it okay for dharma master to do that? If its okay, then the precept which I quoted here, is redundant and/ or outdated? Should be review??
  
  "《瑜伽师地论》�七�五摄 决择分中��地之四对此�问题有明确开示：
  
  
  “若以å�¶çº¸ä¹¦ä¼¼æ­£æ³•å�Šå¤–é�“论，或先已书，授彼信解众生手中，或åŠ�他与，当知有罪。è�©è�¨å”¯åº”åŠ�彼弃èˆ�手中异论，或令书写诸佛圣教，或自欲知彼ä¸�å�šå®žï¼Œä¸�应开示。”
  
  这是说，如果用纸书写相似法和外�论�人信�，�论是自己亲自给别人还是�其他人给，都是�犯��戒的（有罪）。��应该�人�弃这些异论（异于正法），用这些纸书写诸佛的正法。"

• Zenist69

  3 Jan 11, 22:34

  Originally posted by sinweiy:

  there's also a "sin" on Broadcasting the Faults of the Assembly .

  http://buddhism.sgforums.com/forums/1728/topics/418654

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  It depends.

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• sinweiy

  3 Jan 11, 22:54

  our school teach math, science, history, geography, literature etc. going by the "logic", all cannot read? even story books? certain things are good is okay to encourage to read.

  the 《瑜伽师地论》not wrong, as i stated the meaning of waidao is look within the mind/heart.  外 is 心外的外。if u say falungong, asking u to kill mother/father, folk believe telling u to kill animal for gods, or sucide bombing can go to heaven, then we know that they are truely WAIDAO teaching. 邪è§�邪说. hence i rely on the meaning. of course if certain deluded "daoism" teach to practice some strange ritual, then i say they are waitao too. rely on the dharma than on the person.

  i cannot find the sutta of Buddha saying if the teaching teaches to abandon greed, hatred and folly, then abide it as Proper dharma 正法.

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• Fcukpap

  3 Jan 11, 22:58

  what is good can be shared....the boundaries of religion should not restrict alternate views or enlightenment(s)  

• sinweiy

  3 Jan 11, 23:11

  to me Buddhadharma is not a religion. it's so labelled a "religion" by people nowaday only. Buddhadharma is more like the truth of the universe and a teaching of life.

  if it's so dogmatic, then down the road no different from some religion, saying all other religions are from satan/devil, only their's are true religion.

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• Zenist69

  3 Jan 11, 23:41

  Originally posted by sinweiy:

  our school teach math, science, history, geography, literature etc. going by the "logic", all cannot read? even story books? certain things are good is okay to encourage to read.

  the 《瑜伽师地论》not wrong, as i stated the meaning of waidao is look within the mind/heart.  外 is 心外的外。if u say falungong, asking u to kill mother/father, folk believe telling u to kill animal for gods, or sucide bombing can go to heaven, then we know that they are truely WAIDAO teaching. 邪è§�邪说. hence i rely on the meaning. of course if certain deluded "daoism" teach to practice some strange ritual, then i say they are waitao too. rely on the dharma than on the person.

  i cannot find the sutta of Buddha saying if the teaching teaches to abandon greed, hatred and folly, then abide it as Proper dharma 正法.

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  Whats the duty, responsibility of a Dharma Master? To teach worldly knowledge or to teach Buddhadharma? What's his duty Jing Kong Dharma Master?

  Dun tell me Buddhism, dun have a single sutra, book which cannot handle wat Di Zi Gui handle? So why does a Dharma Master need to resort to use wai dao books 'teaches to abandon greed, hatred and folly...' ?

• dabade

  3 Jan 11, 23:47

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• Zenist69

  3 Jan 11, 23:51

  Originally posted by sinweiy:

  to me Buddhadharma is not a religion. it's so labelled a "religion" by people nowaday only. Buddhadharma is more like the truth of the universe and a teaching of life.

  if it's so dogmatic, then down the road no different from some religion, saying all other religions are from satan/devil, only their's are true religion.

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  - Whether Buddhism is a religion or not, its just labels. Some say it is, some say not. Some say its part religion part something. Doesn't matter to me. The crux of the matter is whether it works, whether it could get rid of the pain, whether it could bring us happiness, and wisdom.

  - What are u suggesting? That all other religions are true, are 究竟? That Buddhadharma is just like all other religions??

• Fcukpap

  3 Jan 11, 23:59

  an open mind will unlock all defensive perceptions which lead to limited understanding 

• dabade

  4 Jan 11, 00:00

   

• Zenist69

  4 Jan 11, 00:34

  Originally posted by Fcukpap:

  an open mind will unlock all defensive perceptions which lead to limited understanding 

  Buddhism dun need to use wai dao books as FOUNDATION. I dun mind read wai dao books. But not as substitute for Buddhism! If I am not mistaken, Jing Kong Dharma Master is suggesting people should go study those wai dao books as FOUNDATION for Buddhism! Entry to Buddhism! That, to me, is wrong view, wrong action of Jing Kong Dharma Master and his sect.

• Fcukpap

  4 Jan 11, 00:47

  it is not adopting but embracing it as part of greater understanding

• Zenist69

  4 Jan 11, 01:13

  Its wrong to embrace wai dao teachings from Buddhism point of view. Because those wai dao teachings are incomplete, are flawed. If wai dao books are complete, perfect, are in line with Buddhism view, they will not be wai dao, they will be Buddhism.

  Take for example . This part from Di Zi Gui. 父�教，须敬�。Parents teaches, must listen. Really? Parents ask the children to go squash roaches and ants in the apartment. Must the children obey? Its earthly, worldly education! There are something higher than this. Buddhism dun need to embrace Confucius teachings as part of greater understanding. 'cause wai dao teachings are incomplete, are flawed.

  To say that wanna practice, study Buddhism must start from study Confucius teachings, using Confucius or Daoism teachings as foundation, as entry to Buddhism, thats just wrong view. Buddhism has got entry level material. No need to resort to wai dao books as entry to Buddhism.