Dennis Wholey interviews Hyon Gak Sunim -
Part 1 of 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTCogarppGs
Dennis Wholey interviews Hyon Gak Sunim -
Part 2 of 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIba3ZTQZl8&feature=related
Dennis Wholey interviews Hyon Gak Sunim -
Part 3 of 3
who is he or she?
Originally posted by Rooney9:who is he or she?
A highly enlightened Zen Master from Zen Master Seung Sahn's lineage.
Sinweiy, thanks for posting. I love the interview. Awesome!
another excellent talk:-
Hyun Gak Sunim English Dharma Talk 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40VgJDoEHnM&feature=related
the rest i think u know how to continue watching until Part 7.
He advocate all religion(including Islam) are finger pointing to the same moon.
i think some people might disagree?
MCK said if one's level is high, one can transform and explain other religion's stuff into high level dharma/truth. but if their level is not so high, the way they explain will also be not so high. hence it all depend on the person realisation.
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Thanks for sharing. I'm getting interested in Zen though have a long way to go to realise.
Very good video! Thanks for sharing :)
Originally posted by Dawnfirstlight:Thanks for sharing. I'm getting interested in Zen though have a long way to go to realise.
Few years should be enough... not kidding.
Years ago someone (also enlightened) told me it only takes a few months, to a few years, and at most a decade for enlightenment. At first I had my doubts. Now I am seeing (from others and from my own experience) that this is a realistic figure for those who are sincere and interested in practicing.
It usually takes a few months to a few years (for me, less than two years for a not-so-intense practice of self-inquiry - asking 'Before birth, Who am I?') for the first direct glimpse of your essence to arise. Subsequent and deepening insights will arise over the next months and years...
Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Few years should be enough... not kidding.
Years ago someone (also enlightened) told me it only takes a few months, to a few years, and at most a decade for enlightenment. At first I had my doubts. Now I am seeing (from others and from my own experience) that this is a realistic figure for those who are sincere and interested in practicing.
It usually takes a few months to a few years (for me, less than two years for a not-so-intense practice of self-inquiry - asking 'Before birth, Who am I?') for the first direct glimpse of your essence to arise. Subsequent and deepening insights will arise over the next months and years...
depends on capacity of practitoner. I think some ppl take a few lifetimes?
Not about to start exploring this just yet....
But I've always been curious about how people get started with Zen (Chan) meditation. I get the impression that having a teacher is very important with Zen. So what does a willing student do if there isn't access to a teacher?
Originally posted by realization:Not about to start exploring this just yet....
But I've always been curious about how people get started with Zen (Chan) meditation. I get the impression that having a teacher is very important with Zen. So what does a willing student do if there isn't access to a teacher?
You are in Singapore right?
There are Zen centers in Singapore.
Personally, I don't go Zen centers (but there are quite a few, like Kuan Yin Chan Ling, and Dawnfirstlight's teacher is a Zen teacher as well, and so on) - I go to the dharma center at http://www.humanbliss.com.sg/B_target-F3.html
The teaching there is also very direct, but not exactly the same as Zen school (well my Master is a Linji/Rinzai Zen lineage holder, but doesn't focus on Zen methods like koans)
As for the 'Who am I' koan, I was taught by Thusness. He didn't give me much instructions on that koan other than to contemplate on 'Before birth, Who am I'... that was two years ago, and this led to an important realization earlier on this year. Ultimately, only you yourself can find the answer... there is no need to say so much. Nevertheless, I have written more 'advices' and details about this method and my insights at http://www.box.net/shared/3verpiao63. Just for your reference, especially if you follow to follow a path similar to this.
Originally posted by Pure Emptiness:
depends on capacity of practitoner. I think some ppl take a few lifetimes?
There is the Direct Path and Gradual Path of practice... the Direct Path is a form of investigation that cuts through years of searching and practicing... it investigates directly into the nature of mind and will likely yield penetrating insights in a matter of few years.
Originally posted by realization:Not about to start exploring this just yet....
But I've always been curious about how people get started with Zen (Chan) meditation. I get the impression that having a teacher is very important with Zen. So what does a willing student do if there isn't access to a teacher?
i think still need a ch'an teacher to transmit the awakening nature. to what i know from MCK, ch'an school (in the past, now i not sure), don't study the texts like other school. they cut off all texts in the beggining. it's just meditation, chores, ch'an koan and chanting. yes, they chant now as a support, like Old Yuan Yin 元音�人did. u can say they awake already then practice/study. most school is the other way around, practice/study then awake.
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Originally posted by Pure Emptiness:
depends on capacity of practitoner. I think some ppl take a few lifetimes?
heard of 2 stories. one is Su Dong Bo's previous life as Wu Jie Ch'an master. later when dying, he accepted pureland and the next life, he ended his rebirth cycle as a Pureland master. 如宋�蘇��,�世是五戒祖禪師。
the other one is recorded in the Book of high monks é«˜åƒ§ä¼ - å��世高僧悟达法师患人é�¢ç–®è®°äº‹. 10 consecutive lifetime as a high monk, but still cannot escape one deptor's revenge.
http://h.foyuan.net/home-space-do-blog-uid-139509-id-88093.html
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Originally posted by sinweiy:
heard of 2 stories. one is Su Dong Bo's previous life as Wu Jie Ch'an master. later when dying, he accepted pureland and the next life, he ended his rebirth cycle as a Pureland master. 如宋æœ�蘇æ�±å�¡,å‰�世是五戒祖禪師。the other one is recorded in the Book of high monks é«˜åƒ§ä¼ - å��世高僧悟达法师患人é�¢ç–®è®°äº‹. 10 consecutive lifetime as a high monk, but still cannot escape one deptor's revenge.
http://h.foyuan.net/home-space-do-blog-uid-139509-id-88093.html
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What do you mean by Su Dong Bo's previous life. Do you mean Su Dong Bo's subsequent life?
By the way I heard Su Dong Bo is supposedly a Sakadagami even in that lifetime as Su Dong Bo. In that case, by his next life he would have attained Arhantship/ending the cycle of birth and death... even without going to pure land. But of course it is also a valid choice to be born in pure land and continue practice.
Originally posted by An Eternal Now:What do you mean by Su Dong Bo's previous life. Do you mean Su Dong Bo's subsequent life?
By the way I heard Su Dong Bo is supposedly a Sakadagami even in that lifetime as Su Dong Bo. In that case, by his next life he would have attained Arhantship/ending the cycle of birth and death... even without going to pure land. But of course it is also a valid choice to be born in pure land and continue practice.
Previous life. as in the record.
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http://zhoubao.minghui.org/mh/haizb/115/A08/index.html
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my heard version many many years ago is his next life was a Pureland Master, but i can't find his name, something Yun i think.
u say Su Dong Bo was a once-returner, then it kind of coincide with my posting. be it end rebirth as Arhantship or end rebirth in Pureland. Arhantship no need to continue practice?
to me rebirth in Pureland mean attain Buddhahood. continue practice is skill said. after long realisation/understanding, Pureland don't have the below 2 abodes (凡圣土, 方便土) . to say have is also skill said. straight away go to 3rd abode and 4th abode (实报 ). 3rd abode is non-practice state. 4th abode (寂光) Dharmakaya already.
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when Su Dong Bo was about to die, his three sons were beside him. He told them not to be sad, saying he did not commit evil, hence he will not reborn in hell. He also said the Western Pureland is real, but regret he had no more energy.
hmm...no more energy? :)
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Originally posted by sinweiy:
Previous life. as in the record.�东�的生命轮回
http://zhoubao.minghui.org/mh/haizb/115/A08/index.html
my heard version many many years ago is his next life was a Pureland Master, but i can't find his name, something Yun i think.
u say Su Dong Bo was a once-returner, then it kind of coincide with my posting. be it end rebirth as Arhantship or end rebirth in Pureland. Arhantship no need to continue practice?
to me rebirth in Pureland mean attain Buddhahood. continue practice is skill said. after long realisation/understanding, Pureland don't have the below 2 abodes (凡圣土, 方便土) . to say have is also skill said. straight away go to 3rd abode and 4th abode (实报 ). 3rd abode is non-practice state. 4th abode (寂光) Dharmakaya already.
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Interesting info.. thanks.
I understand that the lower two abodes have relative existence for sentient beings... however for enlightened beings yes they do go straight to the 3rd and 4th abode.
Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Interesting info.. thanks.
I understand that the lower two abodes have relative existence for sentient beings... however for enlightened beings yes they do go straight to the 3rd and 4th abode.
that's why it's skill said. Western Pureland is a land of Equanimity, and as stated in the 48 vows, then sentient beings even reborn in "1st lowest abode" is equal to reborn in 3rd abode. all the mahasattvas there have equal abilities. no more, some are senior or some are junior. All Same. no discrimination.
Provided I become a Buddha, if those Bodhisattvas in that country of mine should not be able to preach the law of wisdom in completion, then may I not attain the enlightenment.
Provided I become a Buddha, if any Bodhisattvas of that country of mine, have their wisdom of oration limited, then may I not attain the enlightenment.
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