Organ Donation
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as purelander, i opt out long time ago. reason is as mentioned by AEN, regarding the 8 hour period. it's not we cannot withstand the pain for 8 hours and it'll be over, no, it's because the pain will cause one to generate vexation. withstand is one thing, generate frustration and end up in lower realms is another. unless u really practice pureland very well, there will not be any bardo period. rebirth into pureland is straight away. but best not to take chance, sometimes we never know, if we will retrogress. retrogress is a big issue nowaday with so many external materialism.
for purelanders, it's best that we get on the "ticket" or "train" to western pureland. save already then we talk about saving infinity people when u reached a true stage of non-retrogressing bodhisattva. in this way u are not selfish, but greater heart of saving even more people.
it's like u are in a house that is on fire, many people are trapped, but u are able to escape and call for help, compare to helping one person and end up killed in the fire as well. but if u only escape for yourself then u will not gain entry into pureland.
it's either saving one person or saving ALL people. i choose the latter.
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Thanks sinweiy for your comments.. another one to ponder on.
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Originally posted by sinweiy:
as purelander, i opt out long time ago. reason is as mentioned by AEN, regarding the 8 hour period. it's not we cannot withstand the pain for 8 hours and it'll be over, no, it's because the pain will cause one to generate vexation. withstand is one thing, generate frustration and end up in lower realms is another. unless u really practice pureland very well, there will not be any bardo period. rebirth into pureland is straight away. but best not to take chance, sometimes we never know, if we will retrogress. retrogress is a big issue nowaday with so many external materialism.
for purelanders, it's best that we get on the "ticket" or "train" to western pureland. save already then we talk about saving infinity people when u reached a true stage of non-retrogressing bodhisattva. in this way u are not selfish, but greater heart of saving even more people.
it's like u are in a house that is on fire, many people are trapped, but u are able to escape and call for help, compare to helping one person and end up killed in the fire as well. but if u only escape for yourself then u will not gain entry into pureland.
it's either saving one person or saving ALL people. i choose the latter.
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Then now I can opt out?
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Originally posted by Pure Emptiness:
Then now I can opt out?
i think anytime also can. just fill the form and return. they will send u a opt out card.
http://www.moh.gov.sg/mohcorp/forms.aspx?id=94#hotaform
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Originally posted by sinweiy:
i think anytime also can. just fill the form and return. they will send u a opt out card.
http://www.moh.gov.sg/mohcorp/forms.aspx?id=94#hotaform
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Originally posted by Pure Emptiness:
My free thinker frenz slandered the triple gems n din repent wad karma will he get, alvic hell ?I think we should educate people more on karma at least advise them nt to slander.
If buddha is truly benevolent, buddha will ignore all slanders and even help to bless those people regardless of whether they believe in buddhism or not.
If buddha is truly forgiving, buddha will not say things like karma because it's like taking revenge. Instead, buddha will help everyone and buddha won't say about karma.
I was once a buddhist until I quitted it in teen years realising it totally contradicts itself!
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Originally posted by Pure Emptiness:
A zen master once said, Hell is not punishment, It's training.
I heard ppl with deep affinity with Di zang wang Pusa get out of hell fast even though they went into hell. Same goes for buddhsit practitioner esp those who undergo precepts training.
then heaven is enjoyment?
if buddha is benevolent and generous, he should abolish hell and keep all souls in heaven.
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Originally posted by cyberr1981:
If buddha is truly benevolent, buddha will ignore all slanders and even help to bless those people regardless of whether they believe in buddhism or not.
If buddha is truly forgiving, buddha will not say things like karma because it's like taking revenge. Instead, buddha will help everyone and buddha won't say about karma.
I was once a buddhist until I quitted it in teen years realising it totally contradicts itself!
Buddha view all beings with equal compassion whether they slandered Buddhism or not. How did you know the Buddha did not bless them? The Buddha is like a parent always looking out for the child, trying to teach the child and not let the child stray towards the bad, but if we as the children do not want to listen to our parent, and instead keep cursing them and think what they say is rubbish and run away from them, how can the parent help?
Karma is not taking revenge. Karma is about cause and effect. I eat and I have to go to the toilet. Eating is the cause, going to the toilet is the effect. I slap someone on the face, and that person shouts at me. Slapping the face is the cause, getting shout at is the effect. I save every month and 20 years later I had money to travel, saving the the cause, having money for travelling is the effect.Similarly, I do a good cause, i get a good result, I do evil, I get an evil result. Karma is not something the Buddha can control, hell is not something the Buddha create. We create our own karma and hells.
On the contrary, the Buddha was very compassionate and wanted to help us, that is why he talked about karma. If we do not know that doing good brings good result and evil brings bad results, who knows what evil we will do and what suffering result we will reap.
If you want to understand about karma, please read this link.
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is it auto opt in?
dun remember receiving any letter on this
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are you practising Mahayana pathway?
If you are, its time to walk the talk.
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Originally posted by sinweiy:
as purelander, i opt out long time ago. reason is as mentioned by AEN, regarding the 8 hour period. it's not we cannot withstand the pain for 8 hours and it'll be over, no, it's because the pain will cause one to generate vexation. withstand is one thing, generate frustration and end up in lower realms is another. unless u really practice pureland very well, there will not be any bardo period. rebirth into pureland is straight away. but best not to take chance, sometimes we never know, if we will retrogress. retrogress is a big issue nowaday with so many external materialism.
for purelanders, it's best that we get on the "ticket" or "train" to western pureland. save already then we talk about saving infinity people when u reached a true stage of non-retrogressing bodhisattva. in this way u are not selfish, but greater heart of saving even more people.
it's like u are in a house that is on fire, many people are trapped, but u are able to escape and call for help, compare to helping one person and end up killed in the fire as well. but if u only escape for yourself then u will not gain entry into pureland.
it's either saving one person or saving ALL people. i choose the latter.
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what would the Buddha say to you in regards to your views on this?
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Ajahn Brahm, who said, when you are about to die, you will not suffer any pain at all. it is scientifically proven that when one is about to die, you will not suffer any pain.
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Ajahn Brahm also said, when one is about to die, buddhists will tend to see guanyin or amitabha buddha, muslims will see allah and christians will see god.
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Originally posted by cyberr1981:
If buddha is truly benevolent, buddha will ignore all slanders and even help to bless those people regardless of whether they believe in buddhism or not.
If buddha is truly forgiving, buddha will not say things like karma because it's like taking revenge. Instead, buddha will help everyone and buddha won't say about karma.
I was once a buddhist until I quitted it in teen years realising it totally contradicts itself!
mind you, buddha is not a god, pls distinguish between a buddha and a god. the buddha said, he is only a teacher, a tathagata only.
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Originally posted by An Eternal Now:
Thanks sinweiy for your comments.. another one to ponder on.
remmeber you have died and lived so many times already. the least u can do is to donate your organs to living people who needed it after u die.
remember the buddha when he was a bodhisatvva, he gave away his flesh, money and material things. so are you a practising Mahayana?
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Originally posted by geis:
is it auto opt in?
dun remember receiving any letter on this
yes auto opt in./\
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Originally posted by Rooney9:
Ajahn Brahm, who said, when you are about to die, you will not suffer any pain at all. it is scientifically proven that when one is about to die, you will not suffer any pain.
in Mahayana and Vajrayana, Buddha did use a simile that when the consciousness leave the body, it's liken to a turtle strip of it's shell. the pain science proven is the bodily pain rather than the spiritual pain./\
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Originally posted by Rooney9:
remmeber you have died and lived so many times already. the least u can do is to donate your organs to living people who needed it after u die.
remember the buddha when he was a bodhisatvva, he gave away his flesh, money and material things. so are you a practising Mahayana?
i'm fine when give while u alive."Donating organs after death is not as good as donating them while you’re still alive—then it’s for real! If you don’t donate them until you’re dead and can’t use them anymore, what’s the use? As it’s said, “Don’t give to others what you yourself don’t want.”--Venerable Hsuan Hua . The Venerable Master is unique in his view that if one can give up one’s organs while still alive (being able to endure the pain), then it won’t be any problem to donate them right before death. So he maintains that one need not wait until the point of death to donate one’s organs (at that time no one can be sure they will not regret their decision because of the excessive pain).
Most people who have this idea are well-known Mahayana Masters. it may seem on appearance that it's beneficial, but underneath it, there's hidden danger.
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Most people have a strong attachment to their bodies, whether they see as alive or dead. They(while alive) still see the body as belonging to theirs even after they are dead.
There also a strong aversion to pain or the threat of pain, so one needs a strong detachment to one's body while alive.
Most Buddhist are in the path of letting go, but in varying degrees.
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no i hated my body. when i die, i be happy to rid of this body of filfth and pus, oozing with blood and dieseases.
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Originally posted by cyberr1981:
If buddha is truly benevolent, buddha will ignore all slanders and even help to bless those people regardless of whether they believe in buddhism or not.
If buddha is truly forgiving, buddha will not say things like karma because it's like taking revenge. Instead, buddha will help everyone and buddha won't say about karma.
I was once a buddhist until I quitted it in teen years realising it totally contradicts itself!
The Buddha does not judge, if you knowingly slander anyone, you are not pure of heart, then your actions will not be pure of heart.
Sooner or later, owing to your impure heart, will lead to impure actions, hurting others and self.
When you are are kid, your parents will admonish you if you play with fires or knives. They do that not because they are unkind to you, but because they know more than you, and do not wish you harm.
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Originally posted by Weychin:
Most people have a strong attachment to their bodies, whether they see as alive or dead. They(while alive) still see the body as belonging to theirs even after they are dead.
indeed. that's the Buddha's simile of turtle shell separation is about. all the while, they have been together, then suddenly they need to part./\
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Originally posted by cyberr1981:
then heaven is enjoyment?
if buddha is benevolent and generous, he should abolish hell and keep all souls in heaven.
Buddha is not a god, but a teacher, if you are lucky go to school but you do not heed the teacher's teachings, only you will lose out.
If you study well, you may do better in life, if you are crappy, means you will do less well. Not much different from learning life skills.
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Originally posted by sinweiy:
as purelander, i opt out long time ago. reason is as mentioned by AEN, regarding the 8 hour period. it's not we cannot withstand the pain for 8 hours and it'll be over, no, it's because the pain will cause one to generate vexation. withstand is one thing, generate frustration and end up in lower realms is another. unless u really practice pureland very well, there will not be any bardo period. rebirth into pureland is straight away. but best not to take chance, sometimes we never know, if we will retrogress. retrogress is a big issue nowaday with so many external materialism.
for purelanders, it's best that we get on the "ticket" or "train" to western pureland. save already then we talk about saving infinity people when u reached a true stage of non-retrogressing bodhisattva. in this way u are not selfish, but greater heart of saving even more people.
it's like u are in a house that is on fire, many people are trapped, but u are able to escape and call for help, compare to helping one person and end up killed in the fire as well. but if u only escape for yourself then u will not gain entry into pureland.
it's either saving one person or saving ALL people. i choose the latter.
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oh i see... before I took refuge... i nv think much just opt in to help people.
After taking refuge, I still think it's the right choice... Never think so much...
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Originally posted by cyberr1981:
If buddha is truly benevolent, buddha will ignore all slanders and even help to bless those people regardless of whether they believe in buddhism or not.
If buddha is truly forgiving, buddha will not say things like karma because it's like taking revenge. Instead, buddha will help everyone and buddha won't say about karma.
I was once a buddhist until I quitted it in teen years realising it totally contradicts itself!
Hmm... let me share with u something I read... quite good for beginners lol
Imagine Buddha is Isaac Newton who discovered the Laws of Gravity... In this case, Karma is like a natural law... it's not invented by Buddha.
Buddha just happened to observe it and tells us the danger/merit.
Does it contradict...? I doubt so...
It's not kinda of "revenge" theory... just to warn us the dangers of doing something wrong.