UN and EU - shift toward vegan diet to save the earth 5Jun10
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http://suprememastertv.com/bbs/board.php?bo_table=sos&wr_id=1625&goto_url=&url=&sca=sos_2&goto_url=
The authors state: “A substantial reduction of impacts would only be possible with a substantial worldwide diet change, away from animal products.”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/jun/02/un-report-meat-free-diet
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/7797594/Eat-less-meat-to-save-the-planet-UN.htmlhttp://www.unep.org/resourcepanel/documents/pdf/PriorityProductsAndMaterials_Report_Full.pdf
http://www.uneptie.org/shared/publications/pdf/WEBx0159xPA-
PriorityProductsAndMaterials_Summary_EN.pdfhttp://suprememastertv.com/bbs/board.php?bo_table=sos_main
Vegetarianism and Climate Change
http://www.saveourearth.co.uk/blog/2009/09/
Be A Vegetarian and Help Animals and Combat Climate Change
Wednesday, September 30th, 2009Amitabha
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a strict vegan diet will probably cause health problems in the long term... there are some nutrients you will never get on a strictly organic plant diet
just go do the research without any prejudice...
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how about using less handphone, computer, electronic gadgets, watch less TV, use less electricity to save the earth?
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Originally posted by Vote PAP OUT to Save SG:
how about using less handphone, computer, electronic gadgets, watch less TV, use less electricity to save the earth?
Exactly. This idea is better than eating veges to be honest. K i shut down computer liao.
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Originally posted by Vote PAP OUT to Save SG:
how about using less handphone, computer, electronic gadgets, watch less TV, use less electricity to save the earth?
This idea is better. -
Originally posted by the Bear:
a strict vegan diet will probably cause health problems in the long term... there are some nutrients you will never get on a strictly organic plant diet
just go do the research without any prejudice...
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Originally posted by the Bear:
a strict vegan diet will probably cause health problems in the long term... there are some nutrients you will never get on a strictly organic plant diet
just go do the research without any prejudice...
There are many monks and ordinary people who are vegetarian but live to a ripe old age. There are too many to name them, just name a few famous monks, Master Chin Kong who is now past 70 years old still well and alive, Ven. Hong Choon who passed away at age past 70 or 80 years old (the abbot of Kong Meng San Buddhist Temple which is the biggest in Singapore), Ven. Shen Yan who passed away at age past 70 or 80 years old (Taiwan) etc. There are many monks who live past 90 years old. They are proving you wrong.
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It doesn't have to be using less electricity OR going vegan. It could be BOTH.
If you have really gone into the UN report that Amitayus48 posted in the link, you would have realised how much the reduce in impact on the environment by going vegan. Here are some sections from the report."Food production is the most significant influence on land use and therefore habitat change, water use, overexploitation of fisheries and pollution with nitrogen and phosphorus. In poorer countries, it is also the most important cause of emissions of greenhouse gases (CH4 and N2O). Both emissions and land use depend strongly on diets. Animal products, both meat and dairy, in general require more resources and cause higher emissions than plant-based alternatives."
"Currently about half of the world’s land is used for agriculture and 70% of total water use"
and some where else in the report you see these 2 statements:
"Agricultural materials, especially animal products, are also a very important material flow in terms of their contribution to a large number of impact categories. Animal products are important because more than half of the world’s crops are used to feed animals, not people."
"Impacts from agriculture are expected to increase substantially due to population growth, increasing consumption of animal products. Unlike fossil fuels, it is difficult to look for alternatives: people have to eat. A substantial reduction of impacts would only be possible with a substantial worldwide diet change, away from animal products."
When economics and politics are tossed aside on food distribution, we would realise from what the report directly implies - basically, we are eating meat at the cost of not only the lives of animals, but also the lives of people who are starving and have little/no food to eat.Advising people not to eat meat for the environment is not something we see as much publicise by the government compared to cutting electricity and conserving water. Hence not many people know about the impact of meat, fish and animal products. But the fact is, they are really detrimental to the environment.
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Unless it's a vegan who ate a balanced diet who tells me it will bring nutritional deficiencies, maybe I will believe. Most people saying "Vegan or vegetarian diets not enough nutrients" very likely wasn't a vegetarian before.
In the vegetarian stalls I often see people buying mock meat and deep fried stuff etc. Any vegetarian who has been on a veg diet for years will tell you this will bring you a nutritional imbalance.
A vegan diet is not restricted to veggies, rice, noodles, mock meat, and deep fried stuff. Anyone who eat only these everyday will get sick. In a well balanced vegan diet, you need to include a variety of foods including some of the following...
Beans, lentils, legumes: black, green, red, kidney, white, soy, dhal etc.
Nuts: cashew, walnuts, peanuts, pine nuts etc.
Grains: wild rice, millet, brown rice, quinoa, oats, etc.
Seeds: pumpkin, flax, sesame, sunflower etc.
Not forgetting a healthy dose of B12.
Most of this we don't get when eating out at vegetarian places, but is necessary to include in the veg diet. -
Originally posted by the Bear:
a strict vegan diet will probably cause health problems in the long term... there are some nutrients you will never get on a strictly organic plant diet
just go do the research without any prejudice...
You just need to know what are the protein rich vegan materials, and know how to cook a healthy vegan meal.
Then you'll be fine. I've seen many strong and healthy vegans.
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Originally posted by An Eternal Now:
You just need to know what are the protein rich vegan materials, and know how to cook a healthy vegan meal.
Then you'll be fine. I've seen many strong and healthy vegans.
Yeah agree with you. There is this guy (Singaporean but I cannot remember his name), he was a champion in weightlifting, he is a vegetarian. Carl Lewis and Mike Tyson are also vegetarian.
May be you guys will say humans and animals are different but I always wonder why elephants and cows are so strong even though they are herbivores.
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there is a difference between philosophy, religion and actually being healthy...
anyway, it is what you believe, and then, there is hard brutal science...
most doctors who have done research in this say that all you need to do is to take some organic dairy products like butter, or take some free-range organic eggs (if you want to make sure, check if it is unfertilised) once in a while to keep healthy...
but the vegans will tell you these are verboten...
again, do your research without prejudice...
anyway, my aunt who went vegan 20years ago, now has osteoporosis, a dowager's hump and lots more other problems.. because she went into this without any thought and half-cocked...
while sticking to your beliefs are to be commended, your body needs more...
may you all stay healthy...
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Originally posted by Dawnfirstlight:
Yeah agree with you. There is this guy (Singaporean but I cannot remember his name), he was a champion in weightlifting, he is a vegetarian. Carl Lewis and Mike Tyson are also vegetarian.
May be you guys will say humans and animals are different but I always wonder why elephants and cows are so strong even though they are herbivores.
notice they have their eyes on the side of their heads... the sign of herbivores which means they are or were evolved from prey animals... they have almost 360 degree vision..while we have stereoscopic vision.. we are descended from hunters and predators..
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Originally posted by the Bear:
there is a difference between philosophy, religion and actually being healthy...
anyway, it is what you believe, and then, there is hard brutal science...
most doctors who have done research in this say that all you need to do is to take some organic dairy products like butter, or take some free-range organic eggs (if you want to make sure, check if it is unfertilised) once in a while to keep healthy...
but the vegans will tell you these are verboten...
again, do your research without prejudice...
anyway, my aunt who went vegan 20years ago, now has osteoporosis, a dowager's hump and lots more other problems.. because she went into this without any thought and half-cocked...
while sticking to your beliefs are to be commended, your body needs more...
may you all stay healthy...
Sorry about your aunt... but I believe her meals may not have enough proteins, which is avoidable if she knows exactly what to eat. In other words, if you want to be vegan, familiarize yourself with healthy vegan diet... Some research may be needed.
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Originally posted by the Bear:
there is a difference between philosophy, religion and actually being healthy...
anyway, it is what you believe, and then, there is hard brutal science...
most doctors who have done research in this say that all you need to do is to take some organic dairy products like butter, or take some free-range organic eggs (if you want to make sure, check if it is unfertilised) once in a while to keep healthy...
but the vegans will tell you these are verboten...
again, do your research without prejudice...
anyway, my aunt who went vegan 20years ago, now has osteoporosis, a dowager's hump and lots more other problems.. because she went into this without any thought and half-cocked...
while sticking to your beliefs are to be commended, your body needs more...
may you all stay healthy...
Erm, the problems which you mentioned that your aunt has are problems due to old aged. My father who is not a vegetarian also has the problems that your aunt has. Well, normally all kinds of problems will appear once a person gets old regardless of vegetarian or non vegetarian.
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Originally posted by the Bear:
notice they have their eyes on the side of their heads... the sign of herbivores which means they are or were evolved from prey animals... they have almost 360 degree vision..while we have stereoscopic vision.. we are descended from hunters and predators..
Hi the Bear!
i beg to differ, stereoscopic vision is not only used for hunting, it is essential for gauging distance and position, eg. jumping from tree to tree, ever seen documentaries of gibbons swinging up in tree canopies.
Also take for example, examine our teeth, our canines are not very well suitable for grasping or tearing flesh from life prey; as compared to other real carnivores! What of our molars? Comparatively, they are more robust and more suited for their job than our canines are!
Also, our digestive system is long compared to carnivores, indicating a prediposition to digesting fibrous or vegetable matter. That we crave meat is not the issue here, but our physical attribute indicate adaptation to herbivorian/fructivorian diet.
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Originally posted by the Bear:
there is a difference between philosophy, religion and actually being healthy...
anyway, it is what you believe, and then, there is hard brutal science...
most doctors who have done research in this say that all you need to do is to take some organic dairy products like butter, or take some free-range organic eggs (if you want to make sure, check if it is unfertilised) once in a while to keep healthy...
but the vegans will tell you these are verboten...
again, do your research without prejudice...
anyway, my aunt who went vegan 20years ago, now has osteoporosis, a dowager's hump and lots more other problems.. because she went into this without any thought and half-cocked...
while sticking to your beliefs are to be commended, your body needs more...
may you all stay healthy...
Show your aunt who is a vegetarian with such problems, it will also to bring up people with such problems who are not vegetarians!
Osteoporosis, is due to lack of bone density, due to inability to build up bone density. There many reasons, deficient mineral intake or ratio,insufficient exercise, mainly high impact ones.
Plant calcium and other minerals in the body is relatively well absorbed without side effects, you won't suffer from lactose intolerance! Also, a vegetarian is important for blood alkalinity.
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Also, we tend to forget, most of the poorer countries subsist on mainly vegetarian diet owing to poverty. Also, the subcontinent of India, there people who are vegetarians for generations for thousands of years!
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Originally posted by Weychin:
Plant calcium and other minerals in the body is relatively well absorbed without side effects, you won't suffer from lactose intolerance! Also, a vegetarian is important for blood alkalinity.
you are right
meat very acidic
animals produced toxin, when they are being slaughter
becos they struggle
if i am not mistaken, caixin provide good source of protein
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Originally posted by Weychin:
Show your aunt who is a vegetarian with such problems, it will also to bring up people with such problems who are not vegetarians!
Osteoporosis, is due to lack of bone density, due to inability to build up bone density. There many reasons, deficient mineral intake or ratio,insufficient exercise, mainly high impact ones.
Plant calcium and other minerals in the body is relatively well absorbed without side effects, you won't suffer from lactose intolerance! Also, a vegetarian is important for blood alkalinity.
"Blood alkalinity" is another myth. Blood has buffers that prevent its acidity from changing drastically. Otherwise, why is lemon juice good for you?
Cattle, chickens and sheep that are reared in most farms are fed grains which are not part of their natural diet, hence they produce more methane and fewer nutrients. Look for free range chickens and eggs, pasture/grass-fed meat and dairy products and wild game and fish. That would improve the situation far more than a vegan diet.
While you're at it, you should still eat plenty of fruit and vegetables for fibre and antioxidants, as well as nuts (if you're not allergic to them) for unsaturated fats. Oh, by the way, did you know that padi fields also produce plenty of methane?
And read up about strontium. It's more effective than calcium as a bone-strengthening nutrient.
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Originally posted by Weychin:
Hi the Bear!
i beg to differ, stereoscopic vision is not only used for hunting, it is essential for gauging distance and position, eg. jumping from tree to tree, ever seen documentaries of gibbons swinging up in tree canopies.
Also take for example, examine our teeth, our canines are not very well suitable for grasping or tearing flesh from life prey; as compared to other real carnivores! What of our molars? Comparatively, they are more robust and more suited for their job than our canines are!
Also, our digestive system is long compared to carnivores, indicating a prediposition to digesting fibrous or vegetable matter. That we crave meat is not the issue here, but our physical attribute indicate adaptation to herbivorian/fructivorian diet.
In that case the argument that we are omnivores could also be made. Our primate cousins are omnivores too.
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Originally posted by Kuali Baba:
"Blood alkalinity" is another myth. Blood has buffers that prevent its acidity from changing drastically. Otherwise, why is lemon juice good for you?
Cattle, chickens and sheep that are reared in most farms are fed grains which are not part of their natural diet, hence they produce more methane and fewer nutrients. Look for free range chickens and eggs, pasture/grass-fed meat and dairy products and wild game and fish. That would improve the situation far more than a vegan diet.
While you're at it, you should still eat plenty of fruit and vegetables for fibre and antioxidants, as well as nuts (if you're not allergic to them) for unsaturated fats. Oh, by the way, did you know that padi fields also produce plenty of methane?
And read up about strontium. It's more effective than calcium as a bone-strengthening nutrient.
Pertaining to blood acidosis:-
Lynda Frassetto, R. Curtis Morris Jr., Karen Todd and Anthony Sebastian
AbstractNormal adult humans eating modern-day diets have a chronic low-grade metabolic acidosis whose severity is determined in part by the net rate of endogenous acid production (NEAP). NEAP varies mainly with diet composition. The greater the quantity of organic and sulfuric acids produced from metabolism of animal foods, and the lower the amounts of potassium salts metabolizable to bicarbonate, which come mainly from fruits and vegetables, the greater the production rate of acid. It had previously been thought that “healthy” kidneys were capable of excreting any excess acid produced by the body’s metabolism [1]; the authors’ research suggests that the normally occurring slow decline in renal function with age allows the kidneys to merely mitigate the degree of severity of the acidosis, and with increasing age, the steady-state levels of acidity in the body slowly rise [2– 3]. -
Originally posted by Weychin:
Pertaining to blood acidosis:-
Lynda Frassetto, R. Curtis Morris Jr., Karen Todd and Anthony Sebastian
AbstractNormal adult humans eating modern-day diets have a chronic low-grade metabolic acidosis whose severity is determined in part by the net rate of endogenous acid production (NEAP). NEAP varies mainly with diet composition. The greater the quantity of organic and sulfuric acids produced from metabolism of animal foods, and the lower the amounts of potassium salts metabolizable to bicarbonate, which come mainly from fruits and vegetables, the greater the production rate of acid. It had previously been thought that “healthy” kidneys were capable of excreting any excess acid produced by the body’s metabolism [1]; the authors’ research suggests that the normally occurring slow decline in renal function with age allows the kidneys to merely mitigate the degree of severity of the acidosis, and with increasing age, the steady-state levels of acidity in the body slowly rise [2– 3].Personally, I am amiable to this concept due to the chinese concept of yin/yang principles of diet. It is typically ingrained into my psyche. Eg. when taking too much meat, which is "heaty", I will resort to taking herbal or "cooling" drinks or foods to counteract the heatiness!
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Originally posted by Kuali Baba:
In that case the argument that we are omnivores could also be made. Our primate cousins are omnivores too.
Being omnivores is a matter of opportunity, a animal diet is typically rich in proteins and fats. It is desirable but not indispensable.
Do you notice we masticate our food,where else carnivores tear in chunks and wolf down the meat.
Also. humans are one of the few species of animals unable to produce vitamin C. Vitamin C can be found in animal protein, however, muscle and fat are not good sources of vitamin C.
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Originally posted by Kuali Baba:
"Blood alkalinity" is another myth. Blood has buffers that prevent its acidity from changing drastically. Otherwise, why is lemon juice good for you?
Cattle, chickens and sheep that are reared in most farms are fed grains which are not part of their natural diet, hence they produce more methane and fewer nutrients. Look for free range chickens and eggs, pasture/grass-fed meat and dairy products and wild game and fish. That would improve the situation far more than a vegan diet.
While you're at it, you should still eat plenty of fruit and vegetables for fibre and antioxidants, as well as nuts (if you're not allergic to them) for unsaturated fats. Oh, by the way, did you know that padi fields also produce plenty of methane?
And read up about strontium. It's more effective than calcium as a bone-strengthening nutrient.
Why is lemon juice good for you?
From wiki answers:-
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In fact yes.Although it is pretty obvious lemon is acidic, a weak acid. The response that it creates in the body, however, is extremely alkaline. Lemon and lime juice promote the release of sodium bicarbonate from the pancreas to support enzyme activity. As well as this, lemon is converted to potassium citrate in the intestine which is also alkaline.
So... drink away!!
This is a good PDF to read for further info:
http://askdoctoryung.com/wp-content/uploads/file/Articals%20by%20Renew%20You/CT-080311-01-TX-AT-posted-Get-Your-pH-Right-renew-you.pdf wiki answers:-
