Relics in Buddhism
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But it's already said by Buddha the saffron robes doesn't represent the Sangha community! This is like the modern terms, rank is what you wear, respect is what you earn!Originally posted by oldkid:I agree. It is true that one must be wary during this Dharma-Ending Age. However, this is more applicable for laypeople who wished to seek a Guru and to be trained/taught by this Guru. Wisdom must be used here (not intelligence but wisdom). A layperson must be able to identify the 10 good characteristics of a Guru before asking the Guru to be his/her spiritual guide.
IMHO, a simple form of respect to a monk (even if you know that the monk is a fake or is non-virtuous in his deeds) should exist for any Buddhists. This respect is very basic and simple, just put your palms together and smile or just a simple smile will do. This is because you are respecting the Sangha community as the saffron robes don by the monk represent the Sangha.
Aiya, how many lay buddhists will know the 10 good characteristics of Guru? If they would have know, I sincerely believe the BTRT would not have gathered so much money already.
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True. As what you had said, many lay Buddhist will have no way to identify a good Guru. If it is even hard to tell if a monk is real or fake, it will be better to refrain from saying anything about them until one had thoroughly investigated, contemplated and confirmed with other high practisioners.Originally posted by yamizi:But it's already said by Buddha the saffron robes doesn't represent the Sangha community! This is like the modern terms, rank is what you wear, respect is what you earn!
Aiya, how many lay buddhists will know the 10 good characteristics of Guru? If they would have know, I sincerely believe the BTRT would not have gathered so much money already.
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This is to prevent one from saying the wrong thing (slander) in case that the monk is real or a good motivation that is not discovered by us. -
Haha, as I had explained many times, slander will be a deliberate on saying something that is untrue on someone else knowingly.Originally posted by oldkid:True. As what you had said, many lay Buddhist will have no way to identify a good Guru. If it is even hard to tell if a monk is real or fake, it will be better to refrain from saying anything about them until one had thoroughly investigated, contemplated and confirmed with other high practisioners.
This is to prevent one from saying the wrong thing (slander) in case that the monk is real or a good motivation that is not discovered by us.
So you agree to take something that is fake to tell you is the true in Buddha's name (Da4 Wang4 Yu3) to let people come to Buddhism? -
Outlook is everything but don't be deceived. In formal wear, we put on uniforms, suits, robes, tunics, etc. to distinguish one's profession, vocation and calling from another, and even to display hierarchy, rank and position.
While we respect the vocation and position, there is no need to be overtly awed. We know never the true character of the person behind in those attires! -
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Oh, the slander part I must contemplate more and you may be correct as there is an important factor of motivation. Thanks for pointing out.
Haha, as I had explained many times, slander will be a [b]deliberate on saying something that is untrue on someone else knowingly.
So you agree to take something that is fake to tell you is the true in Buddha's name (Da4 Wang4 Yu3) to let people come to Buddhism?[/b]
Take something fake and attract pple to Buddhism? Haha, Buddhism is not MLM leh. Using Sutras and good teachings will be good enough to attract pple. The good will attract the good, the bad will attract the bad. It depends on the level of synchroinisation between the "attractor" and the "attractee". -
Very interesting!!! Our perceptions on things are quite opposite but we still managed to reach the same conclusion everytime! IMHO:Originally posted by TheGoodEarth:Outlook is everything but don't be deceived. In formal wear, we put on uniforms, suits, robes, tunics, etc. to distinguish one's profession, vocation and calling from another, and even to display hierarchy, rank and position.
While we respect the vocation and position, there is no need to be overtly awed. We know never the true character of the person behind in those attires!
Outlook is not everything so don't be deceived. In mundane world, the formal wear we put on such uniforms, suits, robes, tunics and etc. allow us to efficiently distinguish one's profession, vocation and even to display hierarchy, rank and position.
While we respect the vocation and position, there is no need to be overtly awed for those we are not familar with for we have yet to discover the true characters of the person behind those attires! A simple respect will do. -
You hit the nail right on the wall man.Originally posted by oldkid:Take something fake and attract pple to Buddhism? Haha, Buddhism is not MLM leh. Using Sutras and good teachings will be good enough to attract pple. The good will attract the good, the bad will attract the bad. It depends on the level of synchroinisation between the "attractor" and the "attractee". -
Same as the previous answers I had given. Unless it is truely certified and verified. Until then, a simple respect will be sufficient. There are so many other good things around, no need to be attached to one.Originally posted by yamizi:You hit the nail right on the wall man.
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A simple respect is an attachment too =)Originally posted by oldkid:Same as the previous answers I had given. Unless it is truely certified and verified. Until then, a simple respect will be sufficient. There are so many other good things around, no need to be attached to one.
I don't disregard good things. But we should know and understand both good and bad things. How can only psycho oneself in seeing good things only right?
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Ah, I disagree with this view. It will be as good as viewing everything to be empty and there is no need to do anything. Even when a noble being views everything to be empty, the noble being will still be humble in attitude.Originally posted by yamizi:A simple respect is an attachment too =)
I don't disregard good things. But we should know and understand both good and bad things. How can only psycho oneself in seeing good things only right?
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Of course, thanks to mundane views and the SAF, we learnt that respect has to be earned. But I personally favour this view:
In order for others to respect you, you must first respect others and it is through one's virtuous deeds that one will be worthy of respect.
Also, I had learnt that when we see a person bad qualities, we shouldn't just focus on his/her bad qualities. There is goodness in everyone. Although it may be hard to find/extract that goodness initially, we should be patient, find that goodness and make it shine through. It maybe difficult to do but it will be worth it.
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I never deny goodness ah? But as I mentioned many times, we ought to see the both of them. Not JUST goodness.Originally posted by oldkid:Ah, I disagree with this view. It will be as good as viewing everything to be empty and there is no need to do anything. Even when a noble being views everything to be empty, the noble being will still be humble in attitude.
Of course, thanks to mundane views and the SAF, we learnt that respect has to be earned. But I personally favour this view:
In order for others to respect you, you must first respect others and it is through one's virtuous deeds that one will be worthy of respect.
Also, I had learnt that when we see a person bad qualities, we shouldn't just focus on his/her bad qualities. There is goodness in everyone. Although it may be hard to find/extract that goodness initially, we should be patient, find that goodness and make it shine through. It maybe difficult to do but it will be worth it.
I think most people would have misunderstood about emptiness. Emptiness is an inherent nature but what exist for the moment do exist.
Kind words spoken at the moment do inspired people; same goes to unkind or lies spoken which will confuse people too.
Seek the Truth.
I don't have that kind of thinking to have others respect for me. I would prefer people to respect the Truth =)