Kyrie Eleison
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I wonder why this part of the Traditional Latin Mass (after the Introit) are the only Greek words in the Mass?
For the Ordinary, refer to http://www.truecatholic.org/masstrad.htm -
Its sorta leftover from the time when the Mass in Rome was said in Greek (first few centuries) instead of Latin.
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*nudge* if you can, come for the Modern Latin masses too
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got modern one meh?Originally posted by catinthehat:*nudge* if you can, come for the Modern Latin masses too 
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interestingly why the Western Catholic never remove this last vestige of Greek.Originally posted by catinthehat:Its sorta leftover from the time when the Mass in Rome was said in Greek (first few centuries) instead of Latin. -
got. see this thread
http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=211542
the schola is the same schola that sung at the traditional latin masses. There's a mass coming up on 13 Jan sunday. -
oh .. that one is gregorian chant. you mean the language used is Latin?Originally posted by catinthehat:got. see this thread
http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=211542
the schola is the same schola that sung at the traditional latin masses. There's a mass coming up on 13 Jan sunday. -
yeah, Gregorian chant is sung in Latin.
You also heard Gregorian chant at the Traditional Latin Mass mah
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lol .. I never notice.Originally posted by catinthehat:You also heard Gregorian chant at the Traditional Latin Mass mah -
Gregorian Chant is Roman Catholic Church music. Roman Catholic church music is Gregorian chant
lai lai, if u free come on 13 Jan at 5.45 pm Sts Peter and Paul Church. -
Yeah, at the Traditional Latin Mass, with the exception of the hymns, everything else was Gregorian chant. Simple chant for the priest, a bit more difficult chant for the schola, very difficult chant for soloists
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I don't know why, but then again there are also Hebrew used. In the Sanctus,Originally posted by Icemoon:interestingly why the Western Catholic never remove this last vestige of Greek.
we have the following phrase:
Sanctus, sanctus, sanctus, Dominus Deus Sabaoth.
The word 'Sabaoth' is Hebrew. -
Icemoon,
Sorry, but 1 more dumb question:
Why are you not Catholic har? -
Yup, I noticed that while reading the Ordinary for the Tridentine Mass.Originally posted by ObiterDicta:I don't know why, but then again there are also Hebrew used. In the Sanctus,
we have the following phrase:
Sanctus, sanctus, sanctus, Dominus Deus Sabaoth.
The word 'Sabaoth' is Hebrew.
But then, wrong spelling issit? Should be Sabbath right?
So I think not Hebrew lah, just a translation like komputer? in Malay. -
Definitely not a dumb question. Not when salvation is at stake.Originally posted by ObiterDicta:Icemoon,
Sorry, but 1 more dumb question:
Why are you not Catholic har?
The simple reason is there are certain things I really love about Christianity (Catholic or Reformed Protestant) but there are also things I disagree with or am simply undecided.
I am undecided 'cos I love the Jewish understanding of God. Personally I feel the Jewish version is somehow closer to the Truth.
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No, Sabaoth is the correct spelling, and it is Hebrew.Originally posted by Icemoon:Yup, I noticed that while reading the Ordinary for the Tridentine Mass.
But then, wrong spelling issit? Should be Sabbath right?
So I think not Hebrew lah, just a translation like komputer? in Malay.
You can check Wikipedia.
Anyway, it is also found in the Bible. just that I can't remember which book. -
Orh, ok lah. I just curious only.Originally posted by Icemoon:Definitely not a dumb question. Not when salvation is at stake.
The simple reason is there are certain things I really love about Christianity (Catholic or Reformed Protestant) but there are also things I disagree with or am simply undecided.
I am undecided 'cos I love the Jewish understanding of God. Personally I feel the Jewish version is somehow closer to the Truth.
I myself read my way into the Church, so I am curious as to how come a person like you who is so much better read in respect of the Faith compared to me way back then is still undecided lah.
But again, to quote Fr. Benedict Groeschel, 'faith is a gift'. -
Shucks .. I thought you meant Sabbath.Originally posted by ObiterDicta:No, Sabaoth is the correct spelling, and it is Hebrew.
You can check Wikipedia.
Anyway, it is also found in the Bible. just that I can't remember which book.
Yup, you are right, but then it is still a romanized version of the Hebrew, I guess.http://www.answers.com/topic/sabaoth
Hosts; armies: the Lord of Sabaoth.
[Latin sabaoth, from Greek sabaōth, from Hebrew ṣəbā’ôt, pl. of ṣābāÂ’, army, from ṣābāÂ’, to wage war.] -
'cos you stopped short of reading about Judaism or Hebraic Christianity like Brey.Originally posted by ObiterDicta:Orh, ok lah. I just curious only.
I myself read my way into the Church, so I am curious as to how come a person like you who is so much better read in respect of the Faith compared to me way back then is still undecided lah.
But again, to quote Fr. Benedict Groeschel, 'faith is a gift'.
Yup, faith is a gift, I learnt this from the Reformed Protestants. -
I don't know much about Hebraic Christianity, but after glancing through the stuff that Brey has posted, it would appear to this untrained observer that the underlying subjectivism makes it rather like Protestantism, just by a different name.Originally posted by Icemoon:'cos you stopped short of reading about Judaism or Hebraic Christianity like Brey.
Yup, faith is a gift, I learnt this from the Reformed Protestants. -
Just so that everyone is aware, the above website is not an orthodox Catholic website.Originally posted by Icemoon:I wonder why this part of the Traditional Latin Mass (after the Introit) are the only Greek words in the Mass?
For the Ordinary, refer to http://www.truecatholic.org/masstrad.htm
In any case, for those who want to know more about the Latin Mass based on the 1962 Missale Romanum, there are plenty of sites that are faithful to the Magisterium which provide good resources.
A good starting point is here:
What Does The Prayer Really Say -
ah, i heartily recommend that website!
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Father Z! Good podcasts!