Technical question: Can Mother Mary fulfill priestly duties?
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As the Holy Mother is no ordinary woman (free from sin and full of grace), can she fulfill priestly duties?
Like can she conduct the eucharist? -
She's not a man. She's not a priest. She's just a mother.Originally posted by Icemoon:As the Holy Mother is no ordinary woman (free from sin and full of grace), can she fulfill priestly duties?
Like can she conduct the eucharist? -
She is no ordinary mother or woman.Originally posted by Honeybunz:She's not a man. She's not a priest. She's just a mother.
Come on .. you can even ask her for help. What's priestly duty to her? -
Ya, she's an extraordinary mother and woman. But she is still no man, no priest.Originally posted by Icemoon:She is no ordinary mother or woman.
Come on .. you can even ask her for help. What's priestly duty to her? -
1. The priesthood has nothing to do with the inherent characteristics of the priest. If the person's characteristics were important, our Lord would not have chosen the 12 clueless Apostles as he did.Originally posted by Icemoon:She is no ordinary mother or woman.
Come on .. you can even ask her for help. What's priestly duty to her?
2. The priestly functions are conferred, as we Catholics believe, by Christ on his Apostles. As he did not confer them to Mary, she could not be a priest nor exercise priestly authority, irrespective of her lack of sin.
To use an analogy from law, Parliament in Singapore delegates authority to the MAS to regulate banks through the MAS Act. That power is not conferred on another agency like the EDB. So no matter how knowledgeable EDB staff may be and regardless of how competent they are, they have no authority to regulate banks.
3. In the Catholic understanding of the relationship between Christ and His Church, the Church is seen as a bride (c.f. Revelations). In the offering of the Eucharist, the priest, acting in persona Christ, offers the sacrifice on behalf of the Church as head and bridegroom. To act in the person of Christ, the priest has necessarily to be male.
4. Notwithstanding the foregoing, Mary cannot be a priest simply because she is no longer on earth. To wonder if she could have when she was alive would be fruitless speculation. Far more important tasks such as personal repentance and reform await us.
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obiterdicta -
If you meet an angel and a priest, you should greet the priest first. An angel cannot absolve you of your sins, nor turn bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Christ.
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Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:
Neither can the priest.
If you meet an angel and a priest, you should greet the priest first. An angel cannot absolve you of your sins, nor turn bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Christ.
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Luke 5:21 NIV
The Pharisees and the teachers of the law began thinking to themselves, "Who is this fellow who speaks blasphemy? Who can forgive sins but God alone?"
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'Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.' And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, 'Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained'" (John 20:21-23).Originally posted by Skibi:Neither can the priest. -
Tsk! Patchwork Scripture knowledge and poor exegesis.Originally posted by Skibi:
Luke 5:21 was applied to Jesus, not to priests. If one believes as the Pharisees in that passage, then one is necessarily not a Christian. -
Originally posted by ObiterDicta:
I believe you just shot yourself in the foot...oops.
Tsk! Patchwork Scripture knowledge and poor exegesis.
Luke 5:21 was applied to Jesus, not to priests. If one believes as the Pharisees in that passage, then one is necessarily not a Christian.
For the benefit of all - he just admitted that only Jesus can forgive sins. -
Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:
As what ObiterDicta said, this applies only to those people that received the Holy Spirit.
'Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.' And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, 'Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained'" (John 20:21-23). -
No, he did not shoot himself.Originally posted by Skibi:I believe you just shot yourself in the foot...oops.
For the benefit of all - he just admitted that only Jesus can forgive sins.
He is saying that the Pharisees are using that to fix Jesus in a spot. -
First, we see that Jesus breathes on His apostles in the upper room. The only other time God breathed on man was when He created him and breathed life into his body. Genesis 2:7. When God breathes on man, a transformation takes place. Here, the apostles were transformed into "other Christs," filled with the Holy Spirit and endowed with Jesus' divine authority to forgive sins. Thus, Matthew writes that God gave the authority to forgive sins “to men.” Matt. 9:8. We also note that Jesus makes no distinction between very serious sin (called "mortal sin") and lesser sins (called "venial sin"). See 1 John 5:16-17. By virtue of God's mercy, the apostles are able to forgive all sins.Originally posted by Skibi:As what ObiterDicta said, this applies only to those people that received the Holy Spirit.
We also note that the apostles were not only given the authority to forgive sin, but to retain sin as well. What does this mean? This means that the apostles were given the gift of rendering judgment on the sincerity of the penitent, and binding the penitent to works of penance in order for him to be forgiven of his sin. If, in the apostles' judgment, the penitent was not sincere, or should be required to perform acts of penance in reparation for his sins, the apostles could retain the sin (withhold forgiveness) until their conditions were satisfied. While such authority is reserved to God alone, Christ shared this authority with the apostles.
Of course, Jesus' gift of authority described in John 20:22-23 only makes sense if the penitent orally confesses the sins to the apostles. The apostles were not given the gift of mind reading, and, even if they were, forgiveness of sin would still depend on the sinner's desire to be forgiven (the sinner would express that desire by confessing his sins to the priest). If oral confession were not required, the way that Jesus granted the gift to the apostles would not make any sense
Why Jesus would grant such an incredible gift to the apostolic age, and then remove the gift from future generations. The answer, of course, is that He didn't remove it. The gift was preserved through priestly succession by the sacrament of ordination as Christ intended, which the Scriptures often refer to as "the laying on of hands." Acts 1:20; 6:6; 13:3; 8:18; 9:17; 1 Timothy 4:14; 5:22; 2 Timothy 1:6.
History and Bible supprts us.... -
Mr Pope plagiarise without acknowledging the source one ah?
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John Salza Scripture CatholicOriginally posted by Icemoon:Mr Pope plagiarise without acknowledging the source one ah?