Why did Jesus choose Peter?
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Can you start with telling us what do you think is the reason for choosing PeteR?Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:It's easy to come up with reasons why He chose Peter.
But now I wonder why He didn't choose the rest of them. -
Predestination.
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Coz Peter is the average person, was afraid of god, was very afraid to receive just like anybody else. He does not pay lip service , and was repentance.
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That's what I think also. God wants to tell us that even an average person can do great things for God.Originally posted by NotFromVenus:Coz Peter is the average person, was afraid of god, was very afraid to receive just like anybody else. He does not pay lip service , and was repentance. -
It is the will of God. That is enough for me.Originally posted by Honeybunz:Can you start with telling us what do you think is the reason for choosing PeteR? -
But we Catholics are not Calvinists.Originally posted by laoda99:Predestination. -
U can find "predestined" in the bible thoughOriginally posted by ObiterDicta:But we Catholics are not Calvinists.
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but why predestined to be him? bwahaha.
it's a good question too. you're right, why not John? -
John is the 2IC, so he is not too far off. If you read the church fathers, there are only two apostolic church, the one in Rome and the one in Epheseus/Smyrna. John's successor was Polycarp who was bishop of Smyrna.Originally posted by Ariedartin:but why predestined to be him? bwahaha.
it's a good question too. you're right, why not John?
John seems to be more learned than Peter. So God designated him to write Revelations. -
it's logical that he is 2IC, but why not the head?
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Because John refused to move to Rome.Originally posted by Ariedartin:it's logical that he is 2IC, but why not the head?
Or God needed him to last long enough to write Revelations.
Or God can't bear for His most beloved disciple to be hung upside down.
Makes sense? -
oh come on...
I can't seem to recall where John was during Jesus' persecution. not that I knew about it, though.
Peter, however, did affirm his love for Jesus thrice to balance his threefold denial.
and considering Peter was named Petros or "rock", it probably was a testament to his rock of faith that God desired, not John's knowledge, though he was faithful as well. -
No joke but Jesus entrusted his mom to John .. what does this tell you?
I know where was John during Jesus' persecution. He was preparing the burial for his Lord.
Maybe link up with Joseph of Arimathea. -
Matthew 16:18-19 / Isaiah 22:22
"And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."
"And I will place on his shoulder the key of the house of David; he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open."
Jesus gives Peter the keys to the kingdom of heaven. While many Protestants think that the gift of the "keys" means that Jesus appointed Peter as the guardian of the gates of heaven, the "keys" actually refer to Peter's authority over the earthly Church (which Jesus often described as the "kingdom of heaven." Matthew 13:24-52; 25:1-2; Mark 4:26-32; Luke 9:27; 13:19-20, etc.) In the Old Davidic kingdom, the king had a prime minister on whose shoulder God placed the keys of the kingdom (Isaiah 22:22). Similarly, the new kingdom of Christ also has a prime minister (Peter and his successors) who is given the keys of the kingdom. The keys not only represent the authority the prime minister has to rule over God's people in the king's absence, but also the means of effecting dynastic succession to the prime minister's office (for example, in Isaiah 22:20-22, Eliakim replaces Shebna as prime minister in the Old Davidic kingdom). Only the Catholic Church claims and proves a succession of prime ministers (popes) all the way back to Peter, and this succession is facilitated by the passing of the keys of the kingdom.
Finally, Jesus declares to Peter that whatever he binds and looses on earth will be bound and loosed in heaven. As in the Old Davidic kingdom, whenever Peter the prime minister opens, no one shall shut, and whenever he shuts, no one shall open. Jesus, therefore, gives Peter the authority to make decisions that will be ratified in eternity. In order for sinful Peter (and his successors through the passing on of the "keys") to make such decisions, he must be divinely protected. Once again, this evidences Jesus' gift of infallibility to the Church. Only the Catholic Church claims and has proven that her 2,000 year-old teachings on faith and morals, which have never changed, are infallibly proclaimed.
Church Fathers:
For it is a matter of necessity that every Church should agree with this Church, on account of its pre- eminent authority, that is, the faithful everywhere, inasmuch as the apostolical tradition has been preserved continuously by those [faithful men] who exist everywhere." Irenaeus, Against Heresies, 3:3:2 (A.D. 180).
"And he says to him again after the resurrection, 'Feed my sheep.' It is on him that he builds the Church, and to him that he entrusts the sheep to feed. And although he assigns a like power to all the apostles, yet he founded a single Chair, thus establishing by his own authority the source and hallmark of the (Church's) oneness. No doubt the others were all that Peter was, but a primacy is given to Peter, and it is (thus) made clear that there is but one flock which is to be fed by all the apostles in common accord. If a man does not hold fast to this oneness of Peter, does he imagine that he still holds the faith? If he deserts the Chair of Peter upon whom the Church was built, has he still confidence that he is in the Church? This unity firmly should we hold and maintain, especially we bishops, presiding in the Church, in order that we may approve the episcopate itself to be the one and undivided." Cyprian, The Unity of the Church, 4-5 (A.D. 251-256).
"You cannot deny that you know that in the city of Rome the Chair was first conferred on Peter, in which the prince of all the Apostles, Peter, satÂ…in which Chair unity should be preserved by all, so that he should now be a schismatic and a sinner who should set up another Chair against that unique one." Optatus of Mileve, The Schism of Donatists, 2:2-3 (c. A.D. 367). -
that wasn't exactly a direct answer, but I can infer that it was because of Peter's faith. looks the case is settled, then.
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Yea...because he is the Father figure ( the father speaks to him like Moses etc in OT).Originally posted by Ariedartin:that wasn't exactly a direct answer, but I can infer that it was because of Peter's faith. looks the case is settled, then.
Hail Peter the rock on whom the CHurch is built upon!!! -
siao la .. here too many supporters of Peter.
why no one support Paul?
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we all support paul. is just that peter is at the centre mah.
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He is the rock and possese the KEYS. Paul is an excellent bishop haha.Originally posted by Icemoon:siao la .. here too many supporters of Peter.
why no one support Paul? -
when was Paul a bishop? I thought he was always on the move .. where was his See?Originally posted by Pope Nicholas:He is the rock and possese the KEYS. Paul is an excellent bishop haha. -
On two hills.Originally posted by Icemoon:when was Paul a bishop? I thought he was always on the move .. where was his See?
That's why he was called Paul Two-Hills. -
actually Christianity is indebtable to the Apostle Paul.Originally posted by Ariedartin:we all support paul. is just that peter is at the centre mah.
we can remove the Petrine epistles and the New Testament will still read like the New Testament. remove the Pauline epistles and pastoral letters and the Christian Bible will lose its identity.
I still maintain the view that the Apostle Paul has the perfect track record in the whole bible. He made no single mistake whereas Peter made at least four - denied the Lord three times and denied gentiles their salvation unless they follow Jewish customs. -
this is something new to me. are you serious?Originally posted by laoda99:On two hills.
That's why he was called Paul Two-Hills. 
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He did murder alot of Christians........Originally posted by Icemoon:actually Christianity is indebtable to the Apostle Paul.
we can remove the Petrine epistles and the New Testament will still read like the New Testament. remove the Pauline epistles and pastoral letters and the Christian Bible will lose its identity.
I still maintain the view that the Apostle Paul has the perfect track record in the whole bible. He made no single mistake whereas Peter made at least four - denied the Lord three times and denied gentiles their salvation unless they follow Jewish customs.
1) Peter did not deny Gentiles...it was him (acting wif authority)in Acts 15 that allowed Gentiles to be baptised.
2) if u take away Peter, who would possese the KEYS? -
Paul did not murder a lot of Christians. The murderer was called Saul. Got difference ok!Originally posted by Pope Nicholas:He did murder alot of Christians........
1) Peter did not deny Gentiles...it was him (acting wif authority)in Acts 15 that allowed Gentiles to be baptised.
2) if u take away Peter, who would possese the KEYS?
1. That was after the Jerusalem Council? Anyway Peter did not deny gentiles, what happened was he thought they should follow Jewish customs. Only after Paul and God chup in then he woke up from his bloody idea.
2. Why you need keys? Got lock meh?