Originally posted by Rooney9:come on guys, stop this flaming shit. keep to the topic and debate.
precisely
that troll just come in and flame people
like i said, is there something to this topic he wants the discussion stopped?
Originally posted by laurence82:precisely
that troll just come in and flame people
like i said, is there something to this topic he wants the discussion stopped?
Hi Laurence, this guy's motive is obvious. He wants to stop the discussion. Just ignore him and don't fall into his trap. Treat his posting as invisible, let him talk to thin air. Anyway, I have nothing more to say about this topic. What I need to say is already said. Merry X'mas and Happy New Year to you guys!
Originally posted by Dawnfirstlight:Hi Laurence, this guy's motive is obvious. He wants to stop the discussion. Just ignore him and don't fall into his trap. Treat his posting as invisible, let him talk to thin air. Anyway, I have nothing more to say about this topic. What I need to say is already said. Merry X'mas and Happy New Year to you guys!
yeah i know
even TS already zhao lor, but if anyone else has anything to add in, let them continue this topic without interference from the troll
Wow...so many pages since I last post and now all sex thinggie post...and my questions seem no body have the answer...
And now all sex post....
Where is chris pple? Can you tell me why?
Originally posted by likeyou:Wow...so many pages since I last post and now all sex thinggie post...and my questions seem no body have the answer...
And now all sex post....
Where is chris pple? Can you tell me why?
Maybe u wanna repost ur qn
The troll wanted to have this topic discussion stopped.
he he, I have somemore to add. Just come across this phrase from a Buddhist book. See whether you guys agree what it is said .
"Religion without Science is blind. Science without Religion is crippled." I agree with the first part but not too sure science without religion is crippled?
All of you never buy me Xmas present! HMPH!
''Hey there summerboy, I'm a busy girl''
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so is the bible expousing lies and falsehood? they concocted so many stories and falsehood that people believed in them for centuries and milleniums?
LOL 2.1 BILLION ADHERENTS TO CHRISTIANITY BUT ITS STILL FALSE XD
Christianity to me is like a product, if you need it you may subscribe to it, if you are dissatisfied you are free to leave.
Then again if many people are dissatisfed with the product they may bring negative word of mouth, this happens not only in religion but also by science. Criticisms are bound to pop out and in this case religion tries to answer it.
I'm a materialist and I do not believe that spiritual ideas are economically sustainable, when does god ever provide me bread when I truely need it, eventually I had to get it myself, and when does religion alone ever sustainable without economic support (its people)?
Religion, throughout history has been used as a source of control, preys on fear and greed. There are some lessons to be learn though, it is also a source of collectivism, people taking care of each other.
I quote this for now:
"There is no society" Margaret Thatcher
Religion is only a tool, the people inside it are more salient, this is how I see. You can help yourself or request others to help you, but religion in this case is not dependable.
Originally posted by Larryteo:LOL 2.1 BILLION ADHERENTS TO CHRISTIANITY BUT ITS STILL FALSE XD
why not. its been like that for the past 2 millenniums, generations after generations.
I bet you have not asked yourself these questions internally. What if the bible is wrong and there is no god? what if I die and realised there is no Jesus, no god and no heaven. Has anyone seen god? Is the bible truly authentic and is it tested thru the passage of times?
Don't have then don't have lor. Nothing much to lose anyway. But what if there is a God, and when you die, he sends you to hell> =0
And besides, something that proves the bible is prophecy :D
Originally posted by Larryteo:Don't have then don't have lor. Nothing much to lose anyway. But what if there is a God, and when you die, he sends you to hell> =0
what if there is no god and you realised its all not true.
isnt our earth already a living hell with so many wars, starvation and diseases etc. no need to go to hell to experience all these things. think about it. if there is a creator and I am saying if, then the creator is doing a bad job in creating a world where it is a living hell.
Originally posted by Larryteo:And besides, something that proves the bible is prophecy :D
like what?
Originally posted by Larryteo:Don't have then don't have lor. Nothing much to lose anyway. But what if there is a God, and when you die, he sends you to hell> =0
Why prey on the unknown and fears of people to gain believers? Like one xtian (who is pissed off at the xtians in this forum) remarked, why is everything being done to prey on fear of people, the fear of the unknown andthe fear of hatred of god?
Somemore you all like to use the word 'if'. You mean no one know if this is true? Gosh
Originally posted by Larryteo:LOL 2.1 BILLION ADHERENTS TO CHRISTIANITY BUT ITS STILL FALSE XD
There are 6 billion adherents to science and technology, so what gives?
Besides, about 1.2 billion of these are Roman Catholics, who the Protestants love to deny as being Christians anyway, so what gives?
If 10 of your friend thinks you steal Xiao Ming's wallet and 1 doesnt, means you really steal it??
the concept of a creator is flawed and full of paradoxes to begin with. one such paradox is this. can god create something he cant lift? if he cant, then he is not omnipotent. if he can, then he is also not omnipotent. second in point is, if there is a god and he is so almighty, then why is the world in such a mess? can he do remedial action like reverting the world to a pure abode, where everyone and everything are equal, there are no suffering and happiness ever after? if he can, and he doesnt do it, then what made him not to do it since he is so almighty. the list goes on and on.
Why is the world in such a mess? If he were to make everything equal and suffering to go forever and ever, he would probably need to remove our free will and control us like checkboards. And not to mention there is a Satan. The dispute between Satan and God happened long before he created humans. He did not destroy Satan because he wants to play a fair game. Remember- a God who is perfect must be of perfect moral values(or maybe a hot body). Thus, God created humans and gave them free will. The purpose of living here on Earth is not to enjoy, not to be handsome, not to be pretty, not to die as a whole, but only to explore and then make a choice of what you want to follow. Which is why there are atheists and other people from other religions. They all made a choice. In the first place, God does not want world peace anyway. If he were to revert everything to pure and innocent, then it means he did not play a fair game with Satan. We are all given to choose whether we follow God or not.
Originally posted by Larryteo:Why is the world in such a mess? If he were to make everything equal and suffering to go forever and ever, he would probably need to remove our free will and control us like checkboards. And not to mention there is a Satan. The dispute between Satan and God happened long before he created humans. He did not destroy Satan because he wants to play a fair game. Remember- a God who is perfect must be of perfect moral values(or maybe a hot body). Thus, God created humans and gave them free will. The purpose of living here on Earth is not to enjoy, not to be handsome, not to be pretty, not to die as a whole, but only to explore and then make a choice of what you want to follow. Which is why there are atheists and other people from other religions. They all made a choice. In the first place, God does not want world peace anyway. If he were to revert everything to pure and innocent, then it means he did not play a fair game with Satan. We are all given to choose whether we follow God or not.
that is the views of the bible, you and your brethrens. I am not here to discuss on the intracacies of god and his choices, besides I dun believe in them, but thats not the point.
the point of contention is the paradoxes of this story and the concept of god. there are so many loopholes and flaws in this storyline. go figure that out.
by the way, is that god or bible's explanation or your own explanation? pray pls tell.
The bible. Anyways, I am tired of arguing with someone like you anyway, a total waste of time/ The way you speak seems to be more of sarcastic and cynical rather than a true debate.
BTW about the part where they said religion is used to control man, actually, I don't really think so about christianity/Judaism.
There are 66books in the bible and 44 men from 3 different continents wrote it. All of them referring to the same God. Hello? 44men from 3 different continents and did not know each other having a propaganda to control people with the same God who appeared to them in visions and dreams? Thus, this should be ruled out.
Originally posted by Larryteo:The bible. Anyways, I am tired of arguing with someone like you anyway, a total waste of time/ The way you speak seems to be more of sarcastic and cynical rather than a true debate.
BTW about the part where they said religion is used to control man, actually, I don't really think so about christianity/Judaism.
There are 66books in the bible and 44 men from 3 different continents wrote it. All of them referring to the same God. Hello? 44men from 3 different continents and did not know each other having a propaganda to control people with the same God who appeared to them in visions and dreams? Thus, this should be ruled out.
Sorry to burst your bubbles but you are using little facts to lure people to your own conclusion
66 books out of many were chosen by councils of men, the rest discarded and followers of other thoughts were branded heretics and persecuted. Go read up Arianism, Gnostics, Monarchianism etc..So what is interesting about 66 books that were blatantly chosen by mere collusion among men?
You said 3 different continents, but you conveniently neglect to say none of these come beyond the boundaries of the Roman empire, which conquered North Africa and West Asia...there, you got it, 3 continents...again, so whats so great about 3 continents? I would be more impressed if someone who has never heard of jesus in Han China or Gupta India write about him independently.
None of these know each other but christianity has already spread by then, they first heard of jesus before they begin writing the book, and it doesnt help again, that their books were afterwards shortlisted like some Pulitzer Award or Booker Prize
Using little facts lke this does not impress anyone who wishes to take deep scholarly look at christianity
Originally posted by laurence82:Sorry to burst your bubbles but you are using little facts to lure people to your own conclusion
66 books out of many were chosen by councils of men, the rest discarded and followers of other thoughts were branded heretics and persecuted. Go read up Arianism, Gnostics, Monarchianism etc..So what is interesting about 66 books that were blatantly chosen by mere collusion among men?
You said 3 different continents, but you conveniently neglect to say none of these come beyond the boundaries of the Roman empire, which conquered North Africa and West Asia...there, you got it, 3 continents...again, so whats so great about 3 continents? I would be more impressed if someone who has never heard of jesus in Han China or Gupta India write about him independently.
None of these know each other but christianity has already spread by then, they first heard of jesus before they begin writing the book, and it doesnt help again, that their books were afterwards shortlisted like some Pulitzer Award or Booker Prize
Using little facts lke this does not impress anyone who wishes to take deep scholarly look at christianity
wah are you an ex christian?or you are a scholar of christianity lol
Science or buddha or whatever...doesnt matter.
What matters is your heart.
Wrote such beautiful sentences and it your heart is wicked, defeat the purposes.
Whatever. I want to zhao. :D Just believe in what you want to believe.