pple who go NCC can get cured of AIDs?
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don't know about NCC but people going over there seems to be the same as people going to temple and ask for 4D numbers
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Ya hor, King should have more authority ove Prince hor... hahahah what a joke.Originally posted by Icemoon:he is the king, mind you.
Behold my majesty!
Pastor King lah him! 
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Like I said; I am not intested to tell you what NCC preaches and did not preach. I am talking to people who had been and or are in NCC and who knows what I am talking about.Originally posted by Icemoon:what's there to refute?
I asked for the context of his BMW speech, but you have not told me either.
You are not making a statement. It is just a phrase taken grossly out of context.
You don't, then go there lah... he himself said that he does not care if people criticise him because that will only drive more people to NCC.
The chances are high that you too will be hooked because he tagets at your fleshly desires for wealth and prosperity. -
Icemoon is a fan of Pastor Prince, not Pastor King har?
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So what's with him driving a beemer?Originally posted by casino_king:Like I said; I am not intested to tell you what NCC preaches and did not preach. I am talking to people who had been and or are in NCC and who knows what I am talking about.
You don't, then go there lah... he himself said that he does not care if people criticise him because that will only drive more people to NCC.
The chances are high that you too will be hooked because he tagets at your fleshly desires for wealth and prosperity.
Haha .. in case you dunno .. I've been to many churches. I don't crave for wealth and prosperity, at least not from the Bible. I rather read Rich Dad Poor Dad for tips on achieving wealth and prosperity. -
I am a fan of his midweek service.Originally posted by laoda99:Icemoon is a fan of Pastor Prince, not Pastor King har? -
my gf is a fan tooOriginally posted by Icemoon:I am a fan of his midweek service.
ask me not to dislike Ps Prince...says it is unfortunate I went for the "wrong" services like "speaking in tongues"..... -
He tries to tell you that if you believe in Jesus, you will also end up with a beemer like him. If you don't then believe harder. He has a favourite example that he likes to quote... and it is that there is a pipeline from heaven to you... and in this pipeline are all trhe riches in the world. If you do not believe, then what you are doing is choking it. The more you believe, the more you are releasing your grip. If you like this kind of preaching, the type that reminds you constantly that God wants you to be rich and famous, then go.Originally posted by Icemoon:So what's with him driving a beemer?
Haha .. in case you dunno .. I've been to many churches. I don't crave for wealth and prosperity, at least not from the Bible. I rather read Rich Dad Poor Dad for tips on achieving wealth and prosperity. -
you are truly unfortunate. I don't find their tongues siong at all. In fact the worship team and Prince blended the tongues so well that I thought they were speaking Herbew.Originally posted by laoda99:my gf is a fan too
ask me not to dislike Ps Prince...says it is unfortunate I went for the "wrong" services like "speaking in tongues".....
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I thought they speaking spanish....Originally posted by Icemoon:you are truly unfortunate. I don't find their tongues siong at all. In fact the worship team and Prince blended the tongues so well that I thought they were speaking Herbew.
I dont find the audience constantly in tongues also.
but one young pastor's tongue is very funny: ekely, sickely, yikely..... -
popcorns anyone?
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no fight this morning leh.....Originally posted by laurence82:popcorns anyone? -
orhOriginally posted by laoda99:no fight this morning leh.....
i go study the papers for tonight match -
Originally posted by casino_king:
Believe in Jesus and end up with a beemer .. his statement is very much simplistic, isn't it? In the words of Robert Kyosaki, a car is a liability, not an asset.
He tries to tell you that if you believe in Jesus, you will also end up with a beemer like him. If you don't then believe harder. He has a favourite example that he likes to quote... and it is that there is a pipeline from heaven to you... and in this pipeline are all trhe riches in the world. If you do not believe, then what [b]you are doing is choking it. The more you believe, the more you are releasing your grip. If you like this kind of preaching, the type that reminds you constantly that God wants you to be rich and famous, then go.[/b] If you are just a salaried worker, owning a big house and beemer either means you choke yourself to death with loans, you just struck lottery, or someone just bribed you.
If Pastor Kong can earn thousands for one "motivation talk" overseas, he definitely can own a beemer. If you are doctor or lawyer (I believe there are many such people in their audience), you also can own a beemer. People like us can take a month or two to earn that amount.
Disclaimer: I never went for this particular sermon. -
Is it Pastor Kong/Prince vs Robert Kiyosaki or God vs Robert Kiyosaki?
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Poland or Germany?Originally posted by laurence82:orh
i go study the papers for tonight match -
Nah, Robert is not against God. In fact in RDPD, we are told to give back to the church when we are rich. Don't be stingy.Originally posted by laurence82:Is it Pastor Kong/Prince vs Robert Kiyosaki or God vs Robert Kiyosaki? -
No larOriginally posted by Icemoon:Nah, Robert is not against God. In fact in RDPD, we are told to give back to the church when we are rich. Don't be stingy.
I dont mean who is against who
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Germany PolandOriginally posted by laoda99:Poland or Germany?
Spain Ukraine
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Originally posted by Ironside:
Yes, you are right, check the greek word, it does means poor,
actually i did not call Paul poor my friend. He said it himself:
2Co 6:10 as sorrowful, yet always rejoicing; [b]as poor, yet making many rich; as having nothing, and yet possessing all things.
Ac 3:6 Then Peter said, "Silver and gold I do not have, but what I do have I give you: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, rise up and walk
1Co 4:11 To the present hour we both hunger and thirst, and we are poorly clothed, and beaten, and homeless.
this is not a matter of culture definition of poor. this is what Paul said. He used the term poor himself. I am just echoing what he said.when you have nothing, when you are poorly clothed, when you are homeless, i think by any standards that is poor.
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In 2 Cor 6:10, If Paul is refering to material wealth, as in having little possession, then what is he saying here? there in 2 Cor 6 3-10, he had series of contrast, if poor (ptochos : poor,begger,miserable) is refering to material wealth, then making many rich(ploutizo: enriched, made rich, making rich), this rich should then be refering to material wealth as well, shouldn't it?
compare this to 2 Cor 8:9
For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though he was rich(plousios:rich, wealth, wealthy), yet for your sakes he became poor(ptocheuo:poor), so that you through his poverty might become rich(plouteo:rich, acquired wealth, gained wealth,get rich, grew rich, richly)
here, Paul is again using the contrast, that Christ who was rich , for our sake was make poor, that we who was poor, through His poverty might become rich.
Acts 3: what is Peter saying?
He is telling the begger, silver and gold we do not have (these is what the begger is asking them for), what we have we gave to you (what the begger really need, physical restoration and salvation through Christ)
1 Cor 4, Paul here is telling the corintians not to have an arrogant attitude, but should imitate him as he imitate Christ, having a humble attitude. -
ur... naughty ah, not good to make fun of other people's nameOriginally posted by Icemoon:he is the king, mind you.
Behold my majesty!
Pastor King lah him! -
funny, just the other day, he was saying about this, why do people want 4 digit? the first prize? No, they want the money.Originally posted by stupidissmart:don't know about NCC but people going over there seems to be the same as people going to temple and ask for 4D numbers
why want the money? they want to life they think money can buy
what type of life? they want a life without lack and stress and full of hope. they want to be able to enjoy life.
My friend, 4D and gambling won't bring you this life, these easy money will be spent soon and you will be back to square one again.
God can bypass all these 4D, prize money, and bring you to the place you want to be, that is a life full the goodness of Him, where you can trust Him to look after you. What you need is to have the Son, receive Him into your life.
Just one note, as one who belong to Christ, we can always ask God for anything we want or need, we can in prayer bring to Him our concerns. God will most definitely hear us.
what if God don't give them to us? or what if God says no?
Is there something wrong with us? absolutely not, but ever ask if what we are asking for, will these things be harmful to us? see, God loves us too much to give us the things that are harmful to us. -
I think so too.....blessings seem to be the main focus liao....Originally posted by stupidissmart:don't know about NCC but people going over there seems to be the same as people going to temple and ask for 4D numbers
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Part in red is what I hope to find out also.....
http://wooq.blogspot.com/2005/08/refutation-of-city-harvests-divine.html
17/2/06 12:33 PM
beowulf said...
I have absolutely no issue with the fact that God can and do sovereignly heal someone of his or her illness. However, it is the word-faith perversion of the doctrine of divine healing that I do take issue with. I have recently written a reply to Daniel (Pst Audrey's Zone) regarding this matter.
As for the “healings” that are supposedly taking place in word-faith churches in Singapore, it would be helpful if you can provide me with the names of the “healed” persons, as well as the contact details of their physicians. I would really like to have sworn written medical statements from their physicians that their patients were really healed without any help from medical treatments, drugs or therapies.
You said you "seen it, spoken to people who have been healed." With the abundance of “healing testimonies” coming from word-faith churches, I am sure you would not have any trouble obtaining documented medical proofs and getting at least one medical expert to publicly testify. -
http://wooq.blogspot.com/2005/08/refutation-of-city-harvests-divine.html
beowulf said...
It appears you are setting up a strawman despite the fact I clearly states I believe in the sovereignty of God in healing. God heals, but it must be in accordance with His will.
I am sure that many religions in the world have testimonies of miracles. I have stated many times in my blog: miracles does not authenticate the validity of the religious teachings. Roman Catholicism, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, and Mormonism may have numerous accounts of people experiencing miracles, but their teachings do not conform to the Word of God.
Since you said that there are two medical doctors in your church that witness “healings,” then perhaps you may want to leave your name and contact details as well as theirs. I would like to have formal medical statements from them that the healings really did occur. If you want to lend credibility to your remarkable claims, then you might want to back it up with facts.
Please pardon my skepticism. Like any normal and rational person, whenever I hear of any paranormal and supernatural claims, such as alien abductions, out of body experiences, angel visitations, crop circles, recollections of past lives, and miraculous healings etc, I would demand some sort of hard proof that these accounts really did happen. I am not so naïve as to be taken in by any Tom, Dick or Harry who claim to have a supernatural experience.
As for Revelation 11:1-6, I do not see anywhere in the passage that contains the doctrine “miracles by faith.” Perhaps you care to elaborate?
And yes, I absolutely agree with 1 Corinthians 13:2. Knowledge, that is theology, goes hand in hand together with love. One cannot do without the other. Theology is essential to the gospel. The gospel is made up of doctrines. If your theology is incorrect, the gospel that you believed in might not be the biblical gospel of Jesus Christ. For it is written: “Faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ” (Romans 10:17).
Let us take for instance, Oneness Pentecostalism. Oneness Pentecostals have no problem affirming that salvation is repentance from sin and faith in Jesus Christ. However, they categorically deny the essential doctrine of the Trinity. Would you say that the gospel they preached is the biblical gospel of Jesus Christ or the false gospel?
By the way, it would be better if you are able to identify yourself rather than hide behind the anonymous label. It makes replying to you so much easier.
20/2/06 4:45 PM
Anonymous said...
Cursed be your self-righteousness!
First take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.
What is your true motive of attacking divine healing? Are you genuinely concern that City Harvest church members are eternally lost, or are you more interested in receiving praise for your knowledge?
Instead, "turn away from godless chatter and the opposing ideas of what is falsely called knowledge" (1 Timothy 6:20)
Are you going to demand doctor medical statement to colloborate the Resurrection or the healings of the first century church too?
No, I suppose not for cessationists.
Alien abductions, out of body experiences, angel visitations, crop circles, recollections of past lives, and even (some) miraculous healings are ALL demonic activities. They are true and well documented all over the world! I hope you don't have to experience them to believe.
Pray for God to give you understanding and protection, then research on them.
My name is Anonymous. It is as sufficient as your Beowulf.