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• casino_king

  14 Jun 06, 01:44

  Originally posted by vince69:

  when was the last time you were at NCC? Ps Prince had changed his car to a Volvo almost 2yrs liao.

  Like I said, I do not know what car he drives and I assumed he drove a BMW because he said that as far as he was concerned, his BMW was Behold My Wagon.
  
  When I quoted about him it is what I personally heard him preached in person or through his CDs / tapes...
• casino_king

  14 Jun 06, 01:46

  Originally posted by breytonhartge:

  and you do? please!
  
  

  Of course I do... why?
• vince69

  14 Jun 06, 01:49

  Originally posted by casino_king:

  and if God said no? What he is preaching is that you believe in God and you will prosper. And if God does not prosper you God failed you? His take was that if you do not prosper, you lacked the faith. So Faith in God is for prosperity?

  You really know how to twist other people's word hoh.
  
  the giest is, trust God better than trusting people for help. why you want to look to a human for help when you can trust God for His faithfulness? Why you want to put your faith in human, put your faith in God better.
• vince69

  14 Jun 06, 01:54

  Originally posted by casino_king:

  Like I said, I do not know what car he drives and I assumed he drove a BMW because he said that as far as he was concerned, his BMW was Behold My Wagon.
  
  When I quoted about him it is what I personally heard him preached in person or through his CDs / tapes...

  Don't keep assuming, you really assume a lot of things hoh? like you had said, once the preaching started, you normally either went to sleep or walk out, how to have hear the entire sermon and understand? that's why I said, quote must quote full sentences, listen must listen to whole sermon, not the first 5mins and draw conclusion, things must be taken in whole context, not piecemail manner.
• ben1xy

  14 Jun 06, 01:56

  Originally posted by casino_king:

  and if God said no? What he is preaching is that you believe in God and you will prosper. And if God does not prosper you God failed you? His take was that if you do not prosper, you lacked the faith. So Faith in God is for prosperity?

  is his take so extreme? i remember vaguely (i might be wrong) something abt him saying that if it is in God's will, he will grant ur wishes, not according to ours.
  
  anyone can clarify? NCC go-ers? icemoon u still go there?
• vince69

  14 Jun 06, 01:59

  Originally posted by casino_king:

  and if God said no? What he is preaching is that you believe in God and you will prosper. And if God does not prosper you God failed you? His take was that if you do not prosper, you lacked the faith. So Faith in God is for prosperity?

  Like I told you before, Ps Prince's definition on Prosperity is not just money, its also on having a healthy life, a contented life, a life with peace, joy and hope. If you cannot trust God, you think a human can give you these meh? you know you can always go to God with things that concern you? and you can also trust God to love you enough to be concern about you?
  
• ben1xy

  14 Jun 06, 01:59

  Originally posted by vince69:

  You really know how to twist other people's word hoh.
  
  the giest is, trust God better than trusting people for help. why you want to look to a human for help when you can trust God for His faithfulness? Why you want to put your faith in human, put your faith in God better.

  yup.. i would tend to think that this is the msg Ps Prince is trying to convey
• casino_king

  14 Jun 06, 02:10

  Originally posted by vince69:

  Don't keep assuming, you really assume a lot of things hoh? like you had said, once the preaching started, you normally either went to sleep or walk out, how to have hear the entire sermon and understand? that's why I said, quote must quote full sentences, listen must listen to whole sermon, not the first 5mins and draw conclusion, things must be taken in whole context, not piecemail manner.

  Please don't try to evade the issue. He said his BMW was Behold My Wagon and after so many post, you have not refuted thet statement because you know that he said it.
  
  In the beginning I never went to sleep because it was attractive. When I realised why it was so attractive (because he was selling prosperity and my flesh craves prosperity) I started to go to sleep because that was all he ever preached. Believe in Jesus and you will prosper and if you do not prospers, well believe harder. Actually it is so funny that anybody can preach that.
  
  But like I said, it certainly sells because people all crave prosperity.
  
  BTW I forgot to tell you why I still go or at least stay for the preaching... at first it was attractive, liked I said. It was also because he was a funny joker. Then when it was not funny anymore, I stayed even though I end up falling asleep because I go with some people and they like his message.
• casino_king

  14 Jun 06, 02:13

  Originally posted by ben1xy:

  is his take so extreme? i remember vaguely (i might be wrong) something abt him saying that if it is in God's will, he will grant ur wishes, not according to ours.
  
  anyone can clarify? NCC go-ers? icemoon u still go there?

  Like I said, if you never go and never seriously listened, then don't speculate. I am not interested in speculating. I am also not interested in telling you what he said or did not say. Like he said, all these complains about him only drive more people to his Church and so why don't you go? He might be able to similarly hook you.
• casino_king

  14 Jun 06, 02:17

  Originally posted by vince69:

  Like I told you before, Ps Prince's definition on Prosperity is not just money, its also on having a healthy life, a contented life, a life with peace, joy and hope. If you cannot trust God, you think a human can give you these meh? you know you can always go to God with things that concern you? and you can also trust God to love you enough to be concern about you?
  

  Like I said, you might be able to fool other people but you cannot fool me because I listened to his messages. At one time, almost every week he will boast about the woman who became rich because, according to him, she attended his NCC. You know the woman who got her company public listed?
• ben1xy

  14 Jun 06, 02:21

  Originally posted by casino_king:

  Like I said, if you never go and never seriously listened, then don't speculate. I am not interested in speculating. I am also not interested in telling you what he said or did not say. Like he said, all these complains about him only drive more people to his Church and so why don't you go? He might be able to similarly hook you.

  chill there, from the few sermons that my friends passed to me, it didn't feel too skewed. as for me.. i'll stick to me Catholic beliefs.
• vince69

  14 Jun 06, 02:23

  Originally posted by casino_king:

  Please don't try to evade the issue. He said his BMW was Behold My Wagon and after so many post, you have not refuted thet statement because you know that he said it.
  
  In the beginning I never went to sleep because it was attractive. When I realised why it was so attractive (because he was selling prosperity and my flesh craves prosperity) I started to go to sleep because that was all he ever preached. Believe in Jesus and you will prosper and if you do not prospers, well believe harder. Actually it is so funny that anybody can preach that.
  
  But like I said, it certainly sells because people all crave prosperity.
  
  BTW I forgot to tell you why I still go or at least stay for the preaching... at first it was attractive, liked I said. It was also because he was a funny joker. Then when it was not funny anymore, I stayed even though I end up falling asleep because I go with some people and they like his message.

  I am just telling you, He had already sold his BMW and changed to a Volvo already.
  
  anyway, 2.20am already, we continue in the morning... get some sleep.
• casino_king

  14 Jun 06, 02:28

  let me try to recall what else he preached regarding prosperity.
  
  OK here's one, he said he advised people to buy gold and recently gold went to multiyears high.....
  
  OK another one, about the woman who struck lottery....
  
  and another one, about the women who won the condo shopping in Carrefour...
  
  such juvenile tricks that stock brokers use... everytime their prediction came true, they boast about it loudly. Those that they predicted wrongly? They kept quiet. If you happened to remember; well it was due to unforseened circumstances wasn't it? You lost money because you had no holding power wasn't it?
  
  In NCC case, it was simple.... you did not believe hard enough.
• casino_king

  14 Jun 06, 02:31

  Originally posted by ben1xy:

  chill there, from the few sermons that my friends passed to me, it didn't feel too skewed. as for me.. i'll stick to me Catholic beliefs.

  Now that you have heard what I said, listen again, it is very subtle. Like I said, in the beginning I was attracted. After awhile, you know the saying... you cannot fool all the people all the time.
• ben1xy

  14 Jun 06, 02:32

  Originally posted by casino_king:

  let me try to recall what else he preached regarding prosperity.
  
  OK here's one, he said he advised people to buy gold and recently gold went to multiyears high.....
  
  OK another one, about the woman who struck lottery....
  
  and another one, about the women who won the condo shopping in Carrefour...
  
  such juvenile tricks that stock brokers use... everytime their prediction came true, they boast about it loudly. Those that they predicted wrongly? They kept quiet. If you happened to remember; well it was due to unforseened circumstances wasn't it? You lost money because you had no holding power wasn't it?
  
  In NCC case, it was simple.... you did not believe hard enough.

  if it is as u have said . then i can't agree with him.
• Ironside

  14 Jun 06, 02:34

  Originally posted by vince69:

  ok, I understand where you are coming from, your definition of poor and mine is different, I don't call them poor, just adequately provided for.
  
  

  actually i did not call Paul poor my friend. He said it himself:
  
  2Co 6:10 as sorrowful, yet always rejoicing; as poor, yet making many rich; as having nothing, and yet possessing all things.
  
  Ac 3:6 Then Peter said, "Silver and gold I do not have, but what I do have I give you: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, rise up and walk
  
  1Co 4:11 To the present hour we both hunger and thirst, and we are poorly clothed, and beaten, and homeless.
  
  this is not a matter of culture definition of poor. this is what Paul said. He used the term poor himself. I am just echoing what he said.when you have nothing, when you are poorly clothed, when you are homeless, i think by any standards that is poor.
  
  
• ben1xy

  14 Jun 06, 02:34

  Originally posted by casino_king:

  Now that you have heard what I said, listen again, it is very subtle. Like I said, in the beginning I was attracted. After awhile, you know the saying... you cannot fool all the people all the time.

  i agree. to each his own. i must admit though he's a really good speaker. and an army friend of mine went for some healing thing for a consant bad back .. it healed pretty well.
  
  i really dun wanna go into an arguement on the placebo effect .. so lets juz leave it there
• casino_king

  14 Jun 06, 02:35

  Originally posted by vince69:

  I am just telling you, He had already sold his BMW and changed to a Volvo already.
  
  anyway, 2.20am already, we continue in the morning... get some sleep.

  and I told you I do not know what he drives or drove; if he did not preached and boast about his BMW as Behold My Wagon, I would not have known what he drove. I do not go to church wondering and try to find out what the preacher drives.
  
  I was supposed to be watching the world cup and then I had to log in here....
• casino_king

  14 Jun 06, 02:36

  Originally posted by ben1xy:

  i agree. to each his own. i must admit though he's a really good speaker. and an army friend of mine went for some healing thing for a consant bad back .. it healed pretty well.
  
  i really dun wanna go into an arguement on the placebo effect .. so lets juz leave it there

  OK
• casino_king

  14 Jun 06, 02:37

  I think I will go back and watch the world cup.
• M©+square

  14 Jun 06, 02:38

  Originally posted by casino_king:

  I think I will go back and watch the world cup.

  see ya.
• laoda99

  14 Jun 06, 09:10

  Originally posted by casino_king:

  So why does NCC preach prosperity? Please don't try to evade the issue. God is asking me to challenge NCC on this. Why is NCC not preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ but preaching prosperity?

  u are becoming like Pastor Prince
• Icemoon

  14 Jun 06, 09:56

  Originally posted by casino_king:

  Please don't try to evade the issue. He said his BMW was Behold My Wagon and after so many post, you have not refuted thet statement because you know that he said it.

  what's there to refute?
  
  I asked for the context of his BMW speech, but you have not told me either.
  
  You are not making a statement. It is just a phrase taken grossly out of context.
• Icemoon

  14 Jun 06, 10:15

  Originally posted by laoda99:

  u are becoming like Pastor Prince

  he is the king, mind you.
  
  Behold my majesty!
  
  Pastor King lah him!
  
  
• laoda99

  14 Jun 06, 10:16

  Originally posted by Icemoon:

  he is the king, mind you.
  
  Behold my majesty!
  
  Pastor King lah him!
  
  

  ooo...ok....Pastor King....not Messiah King can liao....