pple who go NCC can get cured of AIDs?
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poor does not mean deprived of basic needs.Originally posted by vince69:I will have to disagree on the part that the Apostles (Paul included) are practically poor,
1) its not in the Bible
2) they are either had been provided for by the church or run a business (tent making) like Paul, you don't find them begging on the street or going around asking people for money.
3) they live a life of contentment not proverty, for they trust in God to provide them their needs and God had been faithful.
God bless
By the world's standards they were poor.
Paul himself confessed:
1Co 4:11 To the present hour we both hunger and thirst, and we are poorly clothed, and beaten, and homeless
as unknown, and yet well known; as dying, and behold we live; as chastened, and yet not killed;
10 as sorrowful, yet always rejoicing; as poor, yet making many rich; as having nothing, and yet possessing all things. -
they hungered yes, but there was always provision.
They were poor. ........though i could not say ALL of the apostles [if you notice.....i said 'apostles' not 'all the apostles']
They lived above their circumstances. in whatever they were in, they lived content.
yes, they were poor. if you remember they lived in persecution times. all of them Christians.
in all probabilty, all of the leaders were poor. as i have said they lived in persecution times. -
Ac 3:6 Then Peter said, "Silver and gold I do not have, but what I do have I give you: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, rise up and walk.
they were part of the low earning class. -
John the beloved apostle according to stories of that day labored hard even in his nineties. -
wah .. Ironside so fierce .. all the verses started coming in.
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Why then does NCC focus on money and prosperity? Why doesn't NCC preach what you just said? Why focus even of health? Does being born of the spirit requires you to have a healthy flesh?Originally posted by vince69:why do people want money, its because they want the lifestyle that they think only money can buy, so that they can live a life of contentment, peace, joy and hope.
God can bypass all these and bring you straight to the life of contentment, peace, joy and hope. life is more then winning 4D, having a lots of things, its about having a relationship with God, it when you have this relationship with God, then you can live a life God wants you to live.
don't focus on prosperity, focus should be on God, remember always seek Him first. -
Icemoon,
just an exchange ideas.
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So why does NCC preach prosperity? Please don't try to evade the issue. God is asking me to challenge NCC on this. Why is NCC not preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ but preaching prosperity?Originally posted by vince69:don't worry if you don't understand, you need to keep seeking God, focus on Him and let the Holy Spirit help you to understand.
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And please don't tell me that because your pastor drives a BMW shows that he is blessed. Casino operators and pimps drive bigger cars then him.
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no leh .. this is not the logic used by NCC.Originally posted by casino_king:And please don't tell me that because your pastor drives a BMW shows that he is blessed. Casino operators and pimps drive bigger cars then him.
Pastor Prince once said, "A big church does not mean it is blessed, but a small church surely mean it is not blessed". -
Red alert!Originally posted by casino_king:So why does NCC preach prosperity? Please don't try to evade the issue. God is asking me to challenge NCC on this. Why is NCC not preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ but preaching prosperity?
We have a madman here ..
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Originally posted by Ironside:
Why quote Rom 10 and 1 John 5? Why do you not quote directly the words of Jesus to Nick? Are you ashamed of the words of Jesus?
Nicodemus during his conversation with the Lord Jesus felt no need for a Savior. He believed [like all the Pharisees] that his works could save him. He believed in God as Creator, King and etc. But he never believed that God in Christ is the Savior of souls.Like some of the fervent Israelites in his day he had zeal but not according to knowldege of the gospel.
Ro 10:2 For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge.
3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God.
He thought that it was through Law-keeping that righteousness should come. He did not know that:
"[b]For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes".
To be born again or born from above we must trust in Christ alone for salvation. The gospel is the testimony of God to sinners like us. And inroder to be born from above we must believe tht testimony. And what is that testimony?
1Jo 5:10 He who believes in the Son of God has the witness in himself; he who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed the testimony that God has given of His Son.
1Jo 5:11 And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son.
We are born again when He we believe what He has done to sinners through His Son. God says: "you have eternal life in Christ Jesus!!!!!!!!!!"
Faith says: "Yes, i believe that message. I will now stop believing that somehow by my good works i can have eternal life. God says: Eternal life is in His Son. There i rest in Him. I rest in what He has said"
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Well I am not. Jesus said as clear as daylight to Nick, you must be born again, you must be born of the spirit. -
And the Casino King don't drive .. he gets chauffered.Originally posted by casino_king:Casino operators and pimps drive bigger cars then him. -
You liar, he said his BMW is Behold My Wagon.Originally posted by Icemoon:no leh .. this is not the logic used by NCC.
Pastor Prince once said, "A big church does not mean it is blessed, but a small church surely mean it is not blessed". -
Originally posted by casino_king:You liar, he said his BMW is Behold My Wagon.
you say he also say so who confirm? -
i listened in to a few of Pastor Prince's sermons...
he was saying something in the context of.. 'if we dun choose to ask God for good things, who do we ask?' 'our parents? friends? why not ask God for these things instead?' makes sense to me.. not that i agree with him, but i can't fault that logic.
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This was how I knew he drove a BMW... unless he wasn't?
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So what if it was Behold My Wagon? What's the context?Originally posted by casino_king:This was how I knew he drove a BMW... unless he wasn't?
Prolly he was cracking a joke? -
and if God said no? What he is preaching is that you believe in God and you will prosper. And if God does not prosper you God failed you? His take was that if you do not prosper, you lacked the faith. So Faith in God is for prosperity?Originally posted by ben1xy:i listened in to a few of Pastor Prince's sermons...
he was saying something in the context of.. 'if we dun choose to ask God for good things, who do we ask?' 'our parents? friends? why not ask God for these things instead?' makes sense to me.. not that i agree with him, but i can't fault that logic.
erm, for those that i haven't met.. i'm a catholic btw. -
So you do not really know what he preached do you?Originally posted by Icemoon:So what if it was Behold My Wagon? What's the context?
Prolly he was cracking a joke? -
He also said, for your information, that he did not care if people complained about him because all the publicity drove more people to his church to check it out for themselves and they get stuck there because they liked his message.
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Considering how the world craves prosperity; is it any wonder that they get stuck there?
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ok, I understand where you are coming from, your definition of poor and mine is different, I don't call them poor, just adequately provided for.Originally posted by Ironside:Icemoon,
just an exchange ideas. 
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when was the last time you were at NCC? Ps Prince had changed his car to a Volvo almost 2yrs liao.Originally posted by casino_king:You liar, he said his BMW is Behold My Wagon. -
and you do? please!Originally posted by casino_king:So you do not really know what he preached do you?