Righteousness through faith
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Islam forum? must see, kpo a bitOriginally posted by laurence82:tot i spotted him monkeying at Chit Chat or Islam forum?
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Originally posted by casino_king:
As for this part here: "Faith in God is to believe whatever God promises, He can and will deliver. It is to trust God who justifies the wicked, trust enough to understand it is not by our works we received justifications and salvation. It is believing Jesus was delivered over to death and raised to life for our justification. Faith enough to believe that when He love us and promised He will never leave us nor forsake us, He really meant it."
Let me add one more to your Faith in God, having faith in God does not means you can enter into the Kingdom of God, you must have [b]the correct faith in God. In Roman4 (your favorite, about Abraham's faith), Abraham believed in God, being fully persuaded that God had power to do what he had promised, his faith is credited to him as righteousness.
Orh, here is mine favorite statement (must have repeated it many times already, its my statement of faith)
Faith in God is to believe whatever God promises, He can and will deliver. It is to trust God who justifies the wicked, trust enough to understand it is not by our works we received justifications and salvation. It is believing Jesus was delivered over to death and raised to life for our justification. Faith enough to believe that when He love us and promised He will never leave us nor forsake us, He really meant it.
What about good works? The idea and the motivation of behind doing good work (be it charity, bible study, church going Â…etc) is different from what is normally perceived and need to be put into the correct perspective. We can do good works because of the grace from God through Christ, even the desire and the ability to do good works is from Him. Doing good works is a result and not a means, just as not doing it wonÂ’t change one status before God.
something to think about
Personal thoughts, God did not gave us freedom and ability so we can sin, but we can do good works, God did not gave us knowledge and gifts so we can tear others down, but rather they are given for us to used to build each other up in Christ.
By the way every Christian have faith simply because God had said He had given us a measure of faith, for a Christian to call another without faith is almost like calling God a liar (and God is no liar), the only thing is, little faith or great faith.
peace.
btw, there is no competition here, so no need to have "winner" kind, no prize anyway.[/b]
That is conditional Faith. You can never enter into the kingdom of God if you come expecting, demanding even. I am not saying that that paragraph is not true.
Of course every human being have a measure of faith, this is what we start with to seek God.
Think about it. You must work out your own salvation. Hint, the faith that you need to enter into God's Kingdom also comes from God. What is Faith in God? -
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As for this part here: "Faith in God is to believe whatever God promises, He can and will deliver. It is to trust God who justifies the wicked, trust enough to understand it is not by our works we received justifications and salvation. It is believing Jesus was delivered over to death and raised to life for our justification. Faith enough to believe that when He love us and promised He will never leave us nor forsake us, He really meant it."Originally posted by casino_king:
That is conditional Faith. You can never enter into the kingdom of God if you come expecting, demanding even. I am not saying that that paragraph is not true.
Of course every human being have a measure of faith, this is what we start with to seek God.
Think about it. You must work out your own salvation. Hint, the faith that you need to enter into God's Kingdom also comes from God. What is Faith in God?[/b][/quote] -
Originally posted by casino_king:
Let me give you another Hint, think about the person Jesus Christ and what He had done.
As for this part here: "Faith in God is to believe whatever God promises, He can and will deliver. It is to trust God who justifies the wicked, trust enough to understand it is not by our works we received justifications and salvation. It is believing Jesus was delivered over to death and raised to life for our justification. Faith enough to believe that when He love us and promised He will never leave us nor forsake us, He really meant it."
That is conditional Faith. You can never enter into the kingdom of God if you come expecting, demanding even. I am not saying that that paragraph is not true.
Of course every human being have a measure of faith, this is what we start with to seek God.
Think about it. You must work out your own salvation. Hint, the faith that you need to enter into God's Kingdom also comes from God. What is Faith in God?[/b]
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In Jesus lies the ability for you the have Faith in God. It use to be by obeying the law, you qualify to have Faith in God. You know what is Faith in the Law and you know what is Faith in the finished work of Jesus. What is Faith in God?Originally posted by vince69:Let me give you another Hint, think about the person Jesus Christ and what He had done. for in Him lies the key to the Kingdom of God. -
tell you what, I will answer your question, if you answer my question that I posted to you back in page 18 of the thread.Originally posted by casino_king:In Jesus lies the ability for you the have Faith in God. It use to be by obeying the law, you qualify to have Faith in God. You know what is Faith in the law and you know what is Faith in Jesus. What is Faith in God? -
I told you not to throw stock Christian answers back at me like I have never heard them right? Would you think that I would bother to come into EH if I am only going to tell you what you already know?Originally posted by vince69:tell you what, I will answer your question, if you answer my question that I posted to you back in page 18 of the thread. -
"I know I believe in God but I have doubts, and doubt is part of faith,". Madeleine Albright, May 2006
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060522/pl_nm/religion_albright_dc -
Have "Faith in God" and "believe in God" are different.
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Originally posted by Chin Eng:
"I know I believe in God but I have doubts, and doubt is part of faith,". Madeleine Albright, May 2006 -
She understood Faith in terms of beliefs. Which is why I keep asking the question: What is Faith?
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It is likely that any answer will be:Originally posted by casino_king:She understood Faith in terms of beliefs. Which is why I keep asking the question: What is Faith?
1. It's the wrong answer
2. It's not the answer you want
3. It's the standard stock answer
So reality is there is no answer for you.....
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Why do you think Jesus said "You must be Born again" and not, you must have the "right" beliefs?Originally posted by Chin Eng:It is likely that any answer will be:
1. It's the wrong answer
2. It's not the answer you want
3. It's the standard stock answer
So reality is there is no answer for you.....
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When I use Christian examples from the bible some will come out of the woodwork and say: you are using scriptures ect ect... please refer to my earlier replies on this issue.
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Is there a need to answer Casino King? Since he refuses to listen to any good reason besides any that which he would agree to? If one refuses to play by the laws of logic there can be no help for him.
After all, he did say that his personal notion of faith gives the authority to all examples from anywhere to be used. This is the same as saying that I can believe in whatever supports my theory, and reject whatever does not for it is my theory that gives the facts their authority. In fact Casino King seeks not to use the facts to support his theory, but rather his theory to create the facts to support his theory. This is obviously an example of circular reasoning to the most tiresome degree.
Obviously this is also a waste of time.
Now there is no need to answer his 'question' of what faith in God is, for people here have aready answered him that many times. Just because he refuses to accept the answer does not mean that they are wrong.
So there, why don't we all just disregard whatever he says, for he says things of no authority accept himself, but of course we are not under his authority. -
Only goes to show that some "lack the imagination" or "never had the experience" and so cannot fathom the answer.
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u got reply meh? ask u a simple YES or NO u cannot even answer...Originally posted by casino_king:When I use Christian examples from the bible some will come out of the woodwork and say: you are using scriptures ect ect... please refer to my earlier replies on this issue.
pretend to be intellect but all hollow inside -
yeah...u have the experience...prophet...or should i say medium or tang kee....Originally posted by casino_king:Only goes to show that some "lack the imagination" or "never had the experience" and so cannot fathom the answer. -
sibei chim.Originally posted by casino_king:Have "Faith in God" and "believe in God" are different.
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'lack the imagination'?Originally posted by casino_king:Only goes to show that some "lack the imagination" or "never had the experience" and so cannot fathom the answer.
'never had the experience'?
Jargon or fact?
I believe it's jargon.
Unfortunately I do 'lack the imagniation' to comprehend nonsense, and it could be right to say i 'never had the experience' of building a thesis designed to violate first principles.
A person who decries dogma enforces another kind of dogma? That's a good one. -
People can believe anything they want and it makes no difference in their lives or their lives now includes religious activities. Faith in God is a one time religious experience that is as "traumatic" or "wonderful" as being born.... or being born again.Originally posted by klydeer:sibei chim.
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Thank you CK.Originally posted by casino_king:People can believe anything they want and it makes no difference in their lives or their lives now includes religious activities. Faith in God is a one time religious experience that is as "traumatic" or "wonderful" as being born.... or being born again.
But i do disagree with you.
To me, believing in God and having faith in Him is the same, because:
1. Faith is an ongoing journey even to our graves, not a one time experience. And so is believing in God. That is why Christians always tell you, our faith is about building a relationship with God. Not a religion.
2. Faith in God means believing in everything that He is and what he asks of us to do - Obedience. -
Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:
i agree. We are commanded:
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Obviously this is also a waste of time.
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Mt 7:6 "Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces. -
CK used this for his argument alsoOriginally posted by Ironside:i agree. We are commanded:
Mt 7:6 "Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces. -
Noted, but where I disagree with you is thatOriginally posted by klydeer:Thank you CK.
But i do disagree with you.
To me, believing in God and having faith in Him is the same, because:
1. Faith is an ongoing journey even to our graves, not a one time experience. And so is believing in God. That is why Christians always tell you, our faith is about building a relationship with God. Not a religion.
2. Faith in God means believing in everything that He is and what he asks of us to do - Obedience.
1. relationship is the ongoing journey even to our graves and beyond. You start the relationship through Faith, not beliefs.
2. When the relationship first starts it will blow your mind but after a while (Obedience is a non issue because) you will be like:
You: "If I do your this will I get all the bessings and riches in the world?"
God: "No, do you still want to do it?"
What do you think your answer will be? Nothing will be able to tear you away from the love of God.
What am I talking about?
Genesis 22:1 It happened after these things, that God tested Abraham, and said to him, "Abraham!" He said, "Here I am."You see Abraham talking to God? Not praying, mind you. talking to.
"It is enough. Now, O Yahweh, take away my life; for I am not better than my fathers." (I King 19:4). Do you see this person asking God to kill him?
"What are you doing here, Elijah?"(I King 19:9) Do you see God talking to this person who wanted to end his own life? If there is anybody who is not worthy for God to talk to, he would be a very good example.
They have a relationship like that with God through Faith. Do you see any continous beliefs in God there or a relationship?
I am only giving you these examples because you can find the rest yourself. I am here telling you that God is still the same and will have a relationship like with them, with you. Stop giving yourself excuses that the times are different and so on. Stop giving yourself excuses that you and they are different.
The only difference is that they had Faith in God and you do not. So what is Faith in God?