New Creation Church - Church of Cheap Grace?
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Hi janita...Originally posted by janita219:No, honestly I've never heard of my fellow church friends "badmouthing" them (sorry I couldn't find an appropriate word). And I've got friends from NCC too, I get along fairly well with them.
And I've never heard of Pst Kong whacking down NCC though. But well, I've just joined for a year. So there may be a lot of things that I don't know.
And my point is, I regard myself as a young christian, so I'm just here to learn. I hope I won't be whacked just because I'm a CHC member.
I worship the same God. And, I'm rather independent. THat is to say, I don't agree with everything the church does. Then again, I do not have a say on that because I don't want to. Ultimately, it is God who will judge us.
I am not writing to comment on CHC - I have done that too much in the past. My only reason for writing is your comment that you are a young Christian.
May I advice that you be a little more careful when listening to your leaders. Superficially, doctrines and theologies that come through any leadership always sound good. However it might be a good insurance to read up more from various credible sources ie mature Christians from other churches, good Christian books, good Christian websites. If not for anything else, it helps to broaden your outlook to beyond what your church teaches you.
If you are interested, I am prepared to discuss the CHC issue offline - through PMs.
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Wah .. Chin Eng got spies inside the church?Originally posted by Chin Eng:If you are interested, I am prepared to discuss the CHC issue offline - through PMs. cheers
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mai siao siaoOriginally posted by Icemoon:Wah .. Chin Eng got spies inside the church?
CE is actually a member of ISD
*shhhh*
If i am gone, you know what happen. -
Originally posted by laurence82:mai siao siao
CE is actually a member of ISD
*shhhh*
If i am gone, you know what happen.
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You are the Protector of Religious Harmony Act .. so you are very safe.Originally posted by laurence82:mai siao siao
CE is actually a member of ISD
*shhhh*
If i am gone, you know what happen. -
You think what, Guardian of the Holy Grail sibor?Originally posted by Icemoon:You are the Protector of Religious Harmony Act .. so you are very safe. -
HiOriginally posted by Chin Eng:Hi janita...
I am not writing to comment on CHC - I have done that too much in the past. My only reason for writing is your comment that you are a young Christian.
May I advice that you be a little more careful when listening to your leaders. Superficially, doctrines and theologies that come through any leadership always sound good. However it might be a good insurance to read up more from various credible sources ie mature Christians from other churches, good Christian books, good Christian websites. If not for anything else, it helps to broaden your outlook to beyond what your church teaches you.
If you are interested, I am prepared to discuss the CHC issue offline - through PMs. cheers thanks for the comments. I'm currently looking out for some christian books. Maybe you could give me some suggestions? -
if you can't sleep .. read Systematic Theology.Originally posted by janita219:Hi thanks for the comments. I'm currently looking out for some christian books. Maybe you could give me some suggestions? -
*Falls off the chair*Originally posted by Icemoon:if you can't sleep .. read Systematic Theology. -
Don't luan ju kong.... I can sue you knowOriginally posted by Icemoon:Wah .. Chin Eng got spies inside the church? -
You forget! I am MAFIA. My namea isa Giovanni.Originally posted by laurence82:mai siao siao
CE is actually a member of ISD
*shhhh*
If i am gone, you know what happen. -
hi sorry to interruptOriginally posted by janita219:Hi thanks for the comments. I'm currently looking out for some christian books. Maybe you could give me some suggestions?
Amazing Grace by Philip Yancey! -
REad up Leonard Ravenhill.
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Life of Christ by Bishop Fulton J. Sheen.Originally posted by janita219:Hi thanks for the comments. I'm currently looking out for some christian books. Maybe you could give me some suggestions? -
books on systematic theology is good. REally good.Originally posted by Icemoon:if you can't sleep .. read Systematic Theology. -
thanks for all the suggestions
I'll go and find out these books ..
what's systematic theology? -
systematic theology is an organized, wholistic and systematic study of what the whole Bible teaches about a particular topic.Originally posted by janita219:thanks for all the suggestions I'll go and find out these books ..
what's systematic theology?
Major topics in systematic theology usually consists of eight:
1) Doctrine of God [what the whole Bible teaches about God]
2) Doctrine of Jesus Christ
3) Doctrine of the Holy Spirit
4) Doctrine of Man
5) Doctrine of Sin
6) Doctrine of Salvation
7) Doctrine of the Church
8] Doctrine of Last Things [Future end time events]
A word of warning: There are systematic 'theologies' so-called that are not really systematic 'theologies'. There are liberals who profess to be Christians who wrote heretical books.
Who are liberals? They are so called 'scholars' who deny every major doctrine in the Bible.
1) They deny that Christ really died for our sins [denial of his atonement, of his being Savior]
2) They deny Christ's resurrection. Saying it's just a myth.
3) They deny miracles in the Bible.
4) They deny the inerrancy of the Bible and etc.
REcommended systematic theology books:
1) Henry Theissen's Systematic Theology
2) Charles Ryrie ST
3) Lois Berkhoff ST
4) George Ladd ST
5) A. H. Strong ST
6) Lewis Sperry Chafer ST
7) Oliver Buswell ST -
Hi,Originally posted by janita219:Hi thanks for the comments. I'm currently looking out for some christian books. Maybe you could give me some suggestions?
do you want to share, what kind of Christian books are you looking for?
Apologetics
Theology
Biography
Commentary
Teachings
Doctrines
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Hi! all:
I stumble upon the forum and was caught by the topic, i am attending ncc, and had heard about people saying chc / fcbc bad-mouth abt ncc (which i dun bother since i didn't hear it for myself), also visited chc website and heard sermon on crazy grace/amazing grace and anti-normianism, and there's no specific mention of ncc, i used to be bother if there's hinting in the sermon but later i tot well who care.. Paul in his letter said: dun said: i am of paul, i am of apollo.. it's tat devil's tactic to devide the church. So long is churches is winning souls, what they feed in their house shouldn't bother others. It's like restaurant selling chinese food commenting muslim food for lack of choice, and muslim restaurant say of chinese restaurant non-halal.. but each has it's own purpose.
As for the bad-mouthing, well if people go to other churches just to find fault so they can bad mouth to their own church, i am sure no matter what the pastor preach, they are able to pick some bones. What for? got time to spy on other church, why not stay where you are and feed onn God's words which will norish your spirit man.
Don't eat out too much, home cook is always the best. I prefer chinese/india mix..hahaha -
have you experienced different kinds/races of food already?Originally posted by ft021:Hi! all:
I stumble upon the forum and was caught by the topic, i am attending ncc, and had heard about people saying chc / fcbc bad-mouth abt ncc (which i dun bother since i didn't hear it for myself), also visited chc website and heard sermon on crazy grace/amazing grace and anti-normianism, and there's no specific mention of ncc, i used to be bother if there's hinting in the sermon but later i tot well who care.. Paul in his letter said: dun said: i am of paul, i am of apollo.. it's tat devil's tactic to devide the church. So long is churches is winning souls, what they feed in their house shouldn't bother others. It's like restaurant selling chinese food commenting muslim food for lack of choice, and muslim restaurant say of chinese restaurant non-halal.. but each has it's own purpose.
As for the bad-mouthing, well if people go to other churches just to find fault so they can bad mouth to their own church, i am sure no matter what the pastor preach, they are able to pick some bones. What for? got time to spy on other church, why not stay where you are and feed onn God's words which will norish your spirit man.
Don't eat out too much, home cook is always the best. I prefer chinese/india mix..hahaha -
It suddenly struck me, if all these churches claim to be biblical, how is it possible that they can contradict each other?
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hmm...hard to tell the false prophets apart as wellOriginally posted by SingaporeMacross:It suddenly struck me, if all these churches claim to be biblical, how is it possible that they can contradict each other? -
Not easy, the only way is to double check/test all teachings against the Bible (hence the need for Personal Bible Study), emotional feels can sometimes be decieving.Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:It suddenly struck me, if all these churches claim to be biblical, how is it possible that they can contradict each other? -
it sux, church sux lets burn it
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will u protest if ur parents' house is being burnt down?Originally posted by FBI:it sux, church sux lets burn it