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my friend was telling him abt his trip to australia
If you go to an European country, you will see that MOST of the time, road users, regardless of their form of vehicle, have a lot of respect and courtesy for each other.
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he rented a car there n drove around for the weekend
he said he stopped at a traffic lite on a single lane driveway and one porche came up behind him, when green lite he purposely try to piss the carrera off by not moving (hes abit of the naughty type)
to his suprise, the driver did not even horn or high beam but just wait patiently, until abt a min or so his own patience run out and he move off then the porche move off too ! -
Yes, EVERYDAY.Originally posted by audlenelee:EVERYDAY??! -
Yup. I lived in OZ for 5 years. Hardly anyone speeds. In the city, the speed limit is 60km/h, and NOBODY drives above 60km/h!Originally posted by ah_tee:my friend was telling him abt his trip to australia
he rented a car there n drove around for the weekend
he said he stopped at a traffic lite on a single lane driveway and one porche came up behind him, when green lite he purposely try to piss the carrera off by not moving (hes abit of the naughty type)
to his suprise, the driver did not even horn or high beam but just wait patiently, until abt a min or so his own patience run out and he move off then the porche move off too !
In Singapore, 50km/h = 80-90km/h! I myself am sometimes guilty of doing it.
I don't recall hearing anyone horn like we do in Singapore. Not even once.
Bicycle lanes are never breached by any motor vehicles. Yes, they have bicycle lanes alongside normal roads.
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so basically you're saying "IT'S OK TO ROAD HOG COZ I'M A CYCLIST WHILE YOU LAZY ASSES ONLY HAVE TO PRESS THE BLOODY PEDAL" ?Originally posted by Scarabeo:It's a long process of education lah. Highway code should be taught to everyone and enforced strictly from young.
It won't happen in within the next generation of Singaporeans.
If you go to an European country, you will see that MOST of the time, road users, regardless of their form of vehicle, have a lot of respect and courtesy for each other.
I was cycling in France up and down some hilly mountains. At some spots, there was only a single lane. During the uphills, although I kept to the left as far as possible, NOBODY tried to overtake me! I felt to bad for holding up a whole line of traffic!
When the lane finally widened, they passed me and most of the drivers gave me a thumbs-up and shouted "Go go go! You can do it!"
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the point is, we DON'T have bicycle lanes. double yellow lines are NOT bicycle lanes.Originally posted by Scarabeo:Yup. I lived in OZ for 5 years. Hardly anyone speeds. In the city, the speed limit is 60km/h, and NOBODY drives above 60km/h!
In Singapore, 50km/h = 80-90km/h! I myself am sometimes guilty of doing it.
I don't recall hearing anyone horn like we do in Singapore. Not even once.
Bicycle lanes are never breached by any motor vehicles. Yes, they have bicycle lanes alongside normal roads.
Like I said, it won't happen withing the next generation...
anyway in some parts of france and italy, the speed limit is 30kmh. but from what i heard from my lecturer, not that many ppl really follow those limits. they go 50-80 as well.
personally, i think 50kmh is too slow. it should be raised to 80, 6-70 at least. highways oughta be raised to 120-130. -
Originally posted by Scarabeo:
I do agree that cycling is healthy, free, emits zero pollution. But I would also like to point out that you are a very good cyclist. But too bad I have not met one like you yet on the road
Sorry, but can't agree with you there. Bicycles are a legitimate form of transport. Cycling is healthy, free, emits ZERO pollution... I cycle from Tampines to Bukit Timah everyday. I obey all the rules and use hand signals to indicate my intentions at least 10 metres before I carry them out. I also wear a helmet and gloves on every ride.
I have seen many drivers and riders who are downright dangerous on the road. Does that mean that all drivers and riders should be banned and everyone should just take MRT and buses? Even then, how about the bus drivers who purposely run the ah pek motorcyclist near to the kerb just to get past them? How about banning the MRT becos cars can get onto the tracks and the SMRT says that they can't do anything to improve the situation? It's not about the money. I have 2 cars and a motorbike. But I would choose to ride one of my bicycles anytime if possible.
The problem is lack of education. If your case is just ban them cos they're dangerous, then MOTORBIKES should be FIRST on the list!
I do agree that there are drivers and riders who are dangerous. These are the people that made riding dangerous on the road. The cyclists are actually even more susceptible to more risk as they do not have proper safety gear (not everyone wears gear like you). Not only do they pose danger to themselves, they also pose danger to others like pedestrians.
I think running an ah pek onto the kerb is not something a NORMAL motorist would do. I believe many people in this forum agrees that seasoned drivers such as bus drivers and taxi drivers are more reckless on the roads. Although there are some of them who are not so reckless.
I am not stopping peple from riding bicycles but I like to stress the importance of road safety. Bicycles are just not meant for the road and pavements. A bicycle lane would be most perfect. -
It's not about the money. I have 2 cars and a motorbike. But I would choose to ride one of my bicycles anytime if possible.
I think it will be difficult for a person who owns 2 cars to understand the agony of having to save some pennies by riding a bycycle.[/quote]
The problem is lack of education. If your case is just ban them cos they're dangerous, then MOTORBIKES should be FIRST on the list! -
I did NOT hog the lane. I said I cycled as near to the side of the road as possible (no kerb).Originally posted by nismoS132:so basically you're saying "IT'S OK TO ROAD HOG COZ I'M A CYCLIST WHILE YOU LAZY ASSES ONLY HAVE TO PRESS THE BLOODY PEDAL" ?
The cars could have quite easily passed me, but they chose not to.
Also, I said I felt bad holding up traffic. NOWHERE in my post did I mention anything about being OK to hog the road just becos I'm a cyclist. -
LoL me ridin bmx so doesn't matter ... traffic too heavy... i just hop back to pavement traffic is light i'll just go back to double yellow line hehehehe
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Originally posted by nismoS132:
I do not think bicycle lanes will work in land scarce Singapore.
the point is, we DON'T have bicycle lanes. double yellow lines are NOT bicycle lanes.
It's just not feasible. Imagine the SBS buses having to cut into the bike l;anes all the time. Where are they going to squeeze anymore space for the lanes? Road tax for bicycles? How many people would pay?
We have politicians who say: "it is just too hot to cycle in Singapore".
So, mutual respect of road users? Not for a long time yet... -
u knw y they dun speed? coz they haf speed camera with no signboard, unlike in sg got signboards telling rd users got camera, so u say whether australia rd users dare to speed?
Originally posted by Scarabeo:Yup. I lived in OZ for 5 years. Hardly anyone speeds. In the city, the speed limit is 60km/h, and NOBODY drives above 60km/h!
In Singapore, 50km/h = 80-90km/h! I myself am sometimes guilty of doing it.
I don't recall hearing anyone horn like we do in Singapore. Not even once.
Bicycle lanes are never breached by any motor vehicles. Yes, they have bicycle lanes alongside normal roads.
Like I said, it won't happen withing the next generation... -
Originally posted by daniuge:
That's why we need discussions like this to start making things better.
I do agree that cycling is healthy, free, emits zero pollution. But I would also like to point out that you are a very good cyclist. But too bad I have not met one like you yet on the road
I do agree that there are drivers and riders who are dangerous. These are the people that made riding dangerous on the road. The cyclists are actually even more susceptible to more risk as they do not have proper safety gear (not everyone wears gear like you). Not only do they pose danger to themselves, they also pose danger to others like pedestrians.
I think running an ah pek onto the kerb is not something a NORMAL motorist would do. I believe many people in this forum agrees that seasoned drivers such as bus drivers and taxi drivers are more reckless on the roads. Although there are some of them who are not so reckless.
I am not stopping peple from riding bicycles but I like to stress the importance of road safety. Bicycles are just not meant for the road and pavements. A bicycle lane would be most perfect.
Yes, unfortunately I know there are many bad cyclists on the road. But as with everything, there are bad drivers, motorcyclists, pizza delivery boys, pedestrians... etc.
So it should start from education. Why don't we go around taking other people's things whenever we like? Becos from young we've been taught that it's wrong.
Don't get me wrong. I drive, ride motorcycles and cycle, so I'm not some greenie who over-championing the cause for cycling. I just want everyone to co-exist safely. -
huh? got ban neh? Thot onli no allow to travel on Road....
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Originally posted by daniuge:
I am by no means rich, and DO know the agony of trying to save money.
I think it will be difficult for a person who owns 2 cars to understand the agony of having to save some pennies by riding a bycycle.
But my point is, regardless of the reason that bicycles are chosen over other forms of transport, they have their place on the road. It's just that no one told them how to do it properly. -
Yes I know they have portable camera that can be moved anywhere.Originally posted by ah tiang:u knw y they dun speed? coz they haf speed camera with no signboard, unlike in sg got signboards telling rd users got camera, so u say whether australia rd users dare to speed?
But if you lived there, you will also know that every evening on the news on TV, the traffic police will list all the places that they will set up the cameras. Throughout the day, some radio stations keep repeating the list. So it is actually no secret.
But they make it very clear to everyone WHY it is unsafe to speed.
The pavements are designed to be handicap friendly. Which means those electric buggies driven by older people who can't walk to the market are allowed to go on the road at certain sections. Also there are bicycle lanes, school zones where the max speed is 25km/h...
With all these potential hazards, it will be very likely that someone will get killed when you speed. Obviously taking one's life is morally wrong.
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i didn't say you were road hogging.Originally posted by Scarabeo:I did NOT hog the lane. I said I cycled as near to the side of the road as possible (no kerb).
The cars could have quite easily passed me, but they chose not to.
Also, I said I felt bad holding up traffic. NOWHERE in my post did I mention anything about being OK to hog the road just becos I'm a cyclist.
nor did i say you didn't felt bad.
i asked if you thought the situation you described was OK?
whereby 1 cyclist can hold up an entire lane of traffic.
you are right that in singapore cars will never wait for a cyclist, they will attempt to overtake him whether or not there is an opening. but, do you think it is, for lack of a better word, RIGHT, for a bicycle to hold up an entire stretch of road? -
just read this post....
this is funny, since so many places restrict the use of such scoots....
then y in the first time they allow import of them.....
in singapore, most things needs to prove its usefulness b4 they can be imported in....
we cant blame those retailers..... since they can import them, so they thought, how cant they sell them right...? -
how true...cant agree more...Originally posted by Scarabeo:It's a long process of education lah. Highway code should be taught to everyone and enforced strictly from young.
It won't happen in within the next generation of Singaporeans.
If you go to an European country, you will see that MOST of the time, road users, regardless of their form of vehicle, have a lot of respect and courtesy for each other.
I was cycling in France up and down some hilly mountains. At some spots, there was only a single lane. During the uphills, although I kept to the left as far as possible, NOBODY tried to overtake me! I felt to bad for holding up a whole line of traffic!
When the lane finally widened, they passed me and most of the drivers gave me a thumbs-up and shouted "Go go go! You can do it!"
Try that in Singapore... -
Read today's straits times forum. Some writers shot in. Funny. -
They're right.. but I don't think the ga'armen will do anything to let those scooters back...
BTW, I got hit by a bike before.. it hurt like hell and the cyclist was a bloody mess from falling onto the concrete pavement then onto the road... lucky he was not run over by a truck or something..
He was cycling on the pavement, pretty quickly, against the direction of the vehicular traffic.Originally posted by Parka: Read today's straits times forum. Some writers shot in. Funny. -
Originally posted by nismoS132:
Nope, I do not think it's "right" for a bicycle to hold up traffic. In fact, I don't think it is "right" for anything, whether living or mechanical, to hold up traffic.
i didn't say you were road hogging.
nor did i say you didn't felt bad.
i asked if you thought the situation you described was OK?
whereby 1 cyclist can hold up an entire lane of traffic.
you are right that in singapore cars will never wait for a cyclist, they will attempt to overtake him whether or not there is an opening. but, do you think it is, for lack of a better word, RIGHT, for a bicycle to hold up an entire stretch of road?
But, people don't think less of bicycles and other slow moving vehicles and drive them off the road.
But my point is: the motorists over there have respect for ALL road users, whether their vehicles are engine powered or human powered.
I asked my friend why nobody tried to overtake me although it was quite easy to do so, and he told me that the motorists knew that cyclists had to maintain an optimum cadence to climb up a mountain, hence motorists tend to show patience so as not to disrupt the cyclists' concentration. Well, France is afterall a nation that loves cycling.
There are overtaking lanes every few KMs, so that traffic wouldn't be stuck for too long.
The same goes for trucks carrying heavy loads. The cars will just travel slowly behind them until the overtaking lane comes up. Although it is possible to sqeeze through, rarely anyone does, becos they know the dangers of doing so.
If you feel that it's "wrong" for a slow moving vehicle to hold up traffic for a few KMs due to uncontrollable circumstances, then wouldn't it make sense that you also agree that vehicles like 3-tonners, coaches...etc should be banned from going up a mountain on a single carriageway?
All I'm saying is that there shouldn't be "classes" on the road. All road users deserve the same respect, and anyone allowed onto the road should know how to earn it. -
That's the problem (and danger) when u go onto the public roads without passing hihway code....bicycle not allowed on expressway!!!Originally posted by ah_tee:i ever hit 68kmh going down rochor exit on ECP on my mountain bike
if u have taken mountain biking seriously n rode for abt 2-3yrs, 40-50kmh on road is not hard -
i don't feel any single lane roads should be built at all. i've never found it nice to road hog, whether you're driving the fastest car or the slowest trishaw.
respect for road users is 1 thing. respect for road hazards, i have none. -
why they disallowed battery operated scooters?
I was driving to my block at about 7am one morning. This student came out from nowhere...ok actually it is from the block of flat...and rode across the road just 2-3 metres in front of my moving car!!!!
u see, there's alot of younger users who don't know what highway code is, just like some pedestrian insist on walking across mving cars in carparks!
These younger riders r not even aware that to switch on the headlights is NOT to illuminate the road but to make themselves more visible to other road users.
If these motorised scooters r not regulated, they r accidents waiting to happen...themselves & pedestrians on pavement and themselves & car/motorbikes on roads!! -
So what do you consider as road hazards? Ah peks on bicycles, students with motorised bicycles, a dead guy on the road after an accident?Originally posted by nismoS132:i don't feel any single lane roads should be built at all. i've never found it nice to road hog, whether you're driving the fastest car or the slowest trishaw.
respect for road users is 1 thing. respect for road hazards, i have none.
What do you do to show your disrespect to what you deem as road hazards?