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Erm u a rider urself?Originally posted by Evil Clown:RIDERS ARE NO BRAINERS!!!
cause if u are than u also consider urself a no brainer. -
What rubbish. Go and tell that to Steve ChiaOriginally posted by Evil Clown:RIDERS ARE NO BRAINERS!!! -
I agree with you. Moreover, with those big vehicles, chances of them knowing your existence is much lower. I never liked travelling close to huge vehicles.Originally posted by nismoS132:is that your perspective as a rider or a driver?
i personally find lanes 3 and 4 to be the most dangerous of all lanes, purely because it's filled with huge trucks and lorries, during heavy traffic, they would be moving at extremely slow speeds, maybe 20-30kmh (i don't have a speedo, those are guesstimates), their size alone would block a huge portion of your view, if anything happened up ahead you would be the last to find out. their size would also prevent you from even trying to overtake them. if you go inbetween them slowly, you risk being crushed. if you try to add some speed, and sudden actions by them would also cause you to get crushed.
i wouldn't even travel between 3 and 2 because having big intimidating vehicles travelling beside me isn't exactly a reassuring ride.
the safest is still between 1 and 2, where the cars are smaller. their speeds are also the fastest, which aids a smoother and more consistent flow of traffic. it also helps that you can actually see through or above them to checkout the traffic infront. remember, we're taught to look far in the driving centres.
and please don't rap on about how we shouldn't travel between cars at high speeds. it's alot safer to overtake them as fast as possible then to get stuck between them. i'm not telling you to travel at 140-60 through all the cars, but if they're travelling at 80 (usually), it's alot safer to go through them at 100 than to risk getting sandwiched in between them. -
I write my comments as a "Rider".Originally posted by nismoS132:is that your perspective as a rider or a driver?
i personally find lanes 3 and 4 to be the most dangerous of all lanes, purely because it's filled with huge trucks and lorries, during heavy traffic, they would be moving at extremely slow speeds, maybe 20-30kmh (i don't have a speedo, those are guesstimates), their size alone would block a huge portion of your view, if anything happened up ahead you would be the last to find out. their size would also prevent you from even trying to overtake them. if you go inbetween them slowly, you risk being crushed. if you try to add some speed, and sudden actions by them would also cause you to get crushed.
i wouldn't even travel between 3 and 2 because having big intimidating vehicles travelling beside me isn't exactly a reassuring ride.
the safest is still between 1 and 2, where the cars are smaller. their speeds are also the fastest, which aids a smoother and more consistent flow of traffic. it also helps that you can actually see through or above them to checkout the traffic infront. remember, we're taught to look far in the driving centres.
and please don't rap on about how we shouldn't travel between cars at high speeds. it's alot safer to overtake them as fast as possible then to get stuck between them. i'm not telling you to travel at 140-60 through all the cars, but if they're travelling at 80 (usually), it's alot safer to go through them at 100 than to risk getting sandwiched in between them.
You said the right thing, if it is safer to overtake at 100 kmh when the cars are moving at 80 kmh; unfortunately, outside the max peak hours, most cars are travelling at 100 kmh PLUS along most expressways.
However, do you think it is much safer overtaking those larger trucks that are travelling at only 60 kmh on Lane 4 (roads with 4 lanes), or the speeding cars at 100 kmh and more ?
As I have written, the gaps between these large heavy trucks, are at times more then 200 or even 300 meters, and that should give anyone enough distance to view the situation up ahead, and "zipped" between trucks.
Many of the lighter goods vehicles (those 1.5 tons trucks or large Panel Vans) seldom want to travel behind these lumbering heavy trucks, which struggle at 60 or 70 kmh on Lane 4, when the 1.5 ton trucks and panel vans are moving at 80 and even 90kmh or more - on Lane 3 or 2.
On Lane 1, you will find most cars going at 100 to 120 kmh; with some occassional retard drivers, doing 80-90 kmh on Lane 1, when there is no traffic ahead (following the speed limit posted, and refusing to move to Lane 2 or even Lane 3 or 4), when our bikes, vans, or cars can go faster.
I find it safer to see the road ahead, when riding near the solid line between Lane 4 (or 3) and the Road Shoulder, as there is nothing obstructing my view; and I can zipped by the 60kmh Big Heavy Trucks, knowing that the vans or light trucks will not be able to match my 100 - 120 kmh throttle up.
When I see any vehicles (cars, vans, trucks) on the road shoulder itself. I am more alert to their presence.
Try it on those heavy traffic hours, it is easier to handle the lumbering trucks on Lane 4 and 3, than the faster responding cars.on Lane 2 or 1. -
Not to forget about their extremely heavy weight which cause their braking distance to be very long also. Especially those fully loaded ones. They might not be able to brake in time and crush into u.Originally posted by Atobe:As I have written, the gaps between these large heavy trucks, are at times more then 200 or even 300 meters, and that should give anyone enough distance to view the situation up ahead, and "zipped" between trucks. -
if u follow behind a car u will die... u stay in between if the brake u still have chance to cut into the middle lobang if u're not in time to brake...Originally posted by Atobe:As a matter of interest, why do bikers like to ride on or near the dottedroad markings between the Lane ONE and TWO ?
Why do the bikers not ride in the middle of the lane - either Lane ONE and go fast at 110 kmh or more; or Lane TWO or Lane THREE and go at 110 kmh or less ?
I have noticed that even on Lane THREE or FOUR, sometimes there are very few vehicles, or there is gaps of 100 to 300 meters between each of the large slow vehicles (that still travel about 70 to 80 kmh on most expressways).
Riding the bike along the dotted road markings, and between two fast lanes, is just asking for trouble.
When two fast vehicles tavel past a bike, the air stream can make the bike unstable.
Furthermore, the paint used on the dotted line can be slippery even on normal days, and worst during the rainy period.
Interesting to learn from bikers about this very unusual death invititng habit.... -
have! Honda CB125T....Originally posted by Promiscuitee:a question for riders.
Is it true that some bikes can only do 70kmh and no more than that??
I've encountered many times these bikers overtaking in between cars on the busier stretch of road but when the road is clear they r still at 70kmh (expressway). The they ride close to the lane markers so difficult to overtake coz when I change to fasster lane, they r still too close for comfort. -
U are a Fu*ker.Originally posted by Evil Clown:RIDERS ARE NO BRAINERS!!! -
i find that, no matter the time, cars usually travel between 80-100. very few, if ever, travel above that. i usually travel at a constant speed of 100-120 and i find myself overtaking cars more often than cars overtaking me. if a car were to want to overtake me, i would just move to the 2nd lane to let him do so, i don't mind slowing down to 80-100 and going over to the 2nd lane just to let them pass me. i realize not many people are willing to do so.Originally posted by Atobe:I write my comments as a "Rider".
You said the right thing, if it is safer to overtake at 100 kmh when the cars are moving at 80 kmh; unfortunately, outside the max peak hours, most cars are travelling at 100 kmh PLUS along most expressways.
However, do you think it is much safer overtaking those larger trucks that are travelling at only 60 kmh on Lane 4 (roads with 4 lanes), or the speeding cars at 100 kmh and more ?
and still, despite the speeds, be they 40 or 100, i would never travel behind a truck, fact being that they're alot bigger than cars and that much harder to avoid.
last thing. i never travel on the rad shoulder, not even during traffic jams. i'd still rather stick between 1 and 2 than to go over to the road shoulder, i just find it alot more safer, not necessarily faster, just safer. -
oh ya almost forgot about this. when i was still a newbie, sometimes i would travel behind trucks too. and there was once where a crate had fallen off the truck, i didn't manage to avoid it but luckily it was just an empty basket. it hit my wheel and just bounced off (AND HIT A TAXI!!Originally posted by No_regret:Not to forget about their extremely heavy weight which cause their braking distance to be very long also. Especially those fully loaded ones. They might not be able to brake in time and crush into u.
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now imagine if that was a fully loaded crate.
i've noticed that many trucks don't really secure their goods very well. if they were to ebrake all of a sudden, you'd have no where to run really. -
If ever traffic come to a halt, you will never see a bike stopping in the middle of a lane.Originally posted by No_regret:Not to forget about their extremely heavy weight which cause their braking distance to be very long also. Especially those fully loaded ones. They might not be able to brake in time and crush into u.
You will always see a bike squeezing between vehicles, riding on the dotted line, and getting to the front of the jam.
Even if the truck takes a long time to brake, if you are on a bike - you will probably be out of the way already.
Sorry but as "riders", we must be nuts to stop behind any truck, or car, that is stationary in a traffic stop, without making our usual habit of squeezing between vehicles and getting to the front.
So even if the vehicle behind should have problem braking in time, we should have gotten out of the way.
There is a difference in riding when the traffic is flowing and constantly moving, and when the traffic has come to a stop in a jam or at a traffic light. -
No, don't get me wrong..... not travel behind a truck or a big vehicle on Lane 4.Originally posted by nismoS132:i find that, no matter the time, cars usually travel between 80-100. very few, if ever, travel above that. i usually travel at a constant speed of 100-120 and i find myself overtaking cars more often than cars overtaking me. if a car were to want to overtake me, i would just move to the 2nd lane to let him do so, i don't mind slowing down to 80-100 and going over to the 2nd lane just to let them pass me. i realize not many people are willing to do so.
and still, despite the speeds, be they 40 or 100, i would never travel behind a truck, fact being that they're alot bigger than cars and that much harder to avoid.
last thing. i never travel on the rad shoulder, not even during traffic jams. i'd still rather stick between 1 and 2 than to go over to the road shoulder, i just find it alot more safer, not necessarily faster, just safer.
Also, NO, I don't mean to ride on the road shoulders as well.
But to have a choice of riding between speeding vehicles on Lane 1 and 2, or slower heavy vehicles on Lane 4 and the road shoulder, I would prefer to choose the latter.
Like I said, on Lane 4 (Lane 3 on a 3 lane roads), you will find that the traffic consist mainly of big heavy trucks, that are slow, and has long distance of 200 to 300 meter gaps.
This provide sufficient space for our fast bikes to move from one empty space to another empty space.
One need to be alert when riding in such traffic; I guess my style has been developed by riding up to Thailand, and also when travelling in poorer countries such as Philippines, Indonesia, and Vietnam - where heavy traffic consist of a larger volume of goods carrying trucks and passenger buses, then there are cars - and the roads are mostly one or two lanes in each direction, and with no centre divider.
Anyway, when on the road, there is no safe place that can guarantee no wierd accident will not happen - crate can fall from any vehicles in any lane, branches can fall from trees growing in the center divider or growing from the pavements. If crates don't fall off a truck in front of us, a vehicle can suddenly come to a slow speed due to mechanical or electrical failure, and it can be on any lane.
Only way to survive on the roads, is for each of us to ride or drive in a way that our style is comfortable with, and take care to be alert to the road condition, and also to ANTICIPATE the development of road situations FOR the driver or rider in front of you. Read the situation and anticipate before the events happen.
The computer in our brain must constantly assess the events before us, as we ride or drive, and alert ourselves constantly to assess the situation and prepare ourselves with quick decision in response to the situation.
Good luck and safe riding (and driving)....... -
ah yes, anticipate.Originally posted by Atobe:Only way to survive on the roads, is for each of us to ride or drive in a way that our style is comfortable with, and take care to be alert to the road condition, and also to ANTICIPATE the development of road situations FOR the driver or rider in front of you. Read the situation and anticipate before the events happen.
many riders fail to do that. -
Any bike with the best braking system will still lose out to car. They have 4 thicker wheels to stop faster and more stable.Originally posted by Atobe:No, don't get me wrong..... not travel behind a truck or a big vehicle on Lane 4.
Also, NO, I don't mean to ride on the road shoulders as well.
But to have a choice of riding between speeding vehicles on Lane 1 and 2, or slower heavy vehicles on Lane 4 and the road shoulder, I would prefer to choose the latter.
Like I said, on Lane 4 (Lane 3 on a 3 lane roads), you will find that the traffic consist mainly of big heavy trucks, that are slow, and has long distance of 200 to 300 meter gaps.
This provide sufficient space for our fast bikes to move from one empty space to another empty space.
If i nv remember wrongly u did mention that bikes should also stay in lane right? So if we stay in the lane, the car infront happen to e-brake, maybe we leave enough following distance and do an e-brake also. But if a truck is behind u, wat do u think will happen?
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Trucks have even more thicker wheels so should be able to stop even faster and even more stable????Originally posted by No_regret:Any bike with the best braking system will still lose out to car. They have 4 thicker wheels to stop faster and more stable.
If i nv remember wrongly u did mention that bikes should also stay in lane right? So if we stay in the lane, the car infront happen to e-brake, maybe we leave enough following distance and do an e-brake also. But if a truck is behind u, wat do u think will happen? -
they have a greater mass which equates to greater inertia, they'll need a longer distance to stop.Originally posted by PuRe-EviL:Trucks have even more thicker wheels so should be able to stop even faster and even more stable???? -
they have larger wheels coz they r taller n this hieghten the centre gravityOriginally posted by PuRe-EviL:Trucks have even more thicker wheels so should be able to stop even faster and even more stable????
they are much heavier and have a heavier inertia thus take a longer time to stop
to think i fail my sec 4 physics
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Ya lor. U brake better with a heavy pillion or without? -
Don't forget our bike allow us to be more quick "footed" then a car.Originally posted by No_regret:Any bike with the best braking system will still lose out to car. They have 4 thicker wheels to stop faster and more stable.
If i nv remember wrongly u did mention that bikes should also stay in lane right? So if we stay in the lane, the car infront happen to e-brake, maybe we leave enough following distance and do an e-brake also. But if a truck is behind u, wat do u think will happen?
We are narrower, speedier too.
If a bike can squeeze on the dotted line between one car on the left travelling at 80-90 kmh, and another car on the right travelling about the same speed (maybe 90-100 kmh); I think in an e-brake situation from a car in front, we can also zipped by the e-braking car, by "squeezing" through from the LEFT, or from the RIGHT.
Riding on the bike, or driving a 4-wheeler car or light truck, I will always study the road in front and behind.
I will anticipate the situation in front, by looking at the situation 4 cars ahead - when possible, or at least 2 cars ahead. I will anticipate what is happening to that driver first, and will determine how he will react that will affect the other cars in front of me, so that I will take EARLY PRECAUTION.
I will look at the immediate vehicles behind me - to see if the guy behind me is breathing down my neck, persistently getting too close to my tail for comfort. I will check that this idiot will not get too close to me in any e-situation that will endanger my property (bike, car or truck). When on a bike, I will try to speed up and overtake the other vehicles in front; or when driving a 4-wheeler, I will move out of the way to let that guy pass. If situation is heavy traffic, then I will press on my brake or turn on the hazzard light to warn that idiot off my back, and keep his distance.
Many situation can always be hypothetically dreamed up as possible worse case scenarios for riders or drivers.
But the word is ANTICIPATE - by reading the road situation AHEAD of you (2 or 3 or 4 vehicles ahead), and be alert to the guy BEHIND you. Watch the behavior or driving style of the vehicles in front and behind you, and prepare your own riding habit in response.
So far, it has serve me well.