Warming up ur bike...
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when i warm up my bike every morning, i will open my choke to let my bike heat up... but my brother told me not to do so and said turn the trotter if want to heat up bike... i dun know which way is right so post here to discuss...
currently i'm using v-power from shell, but motorshop told my brother that v power is too strong for motor and will spoil the bike... is this true??? can someone clear my doubt? thanks...
PS: btw, my bike is sp...
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What is your rpm when u start without the choke? If can dun, dun open choke, there is no point for u to turn the trottle when u wanna warm up.... warm up is just to start the bike and let the pistol run by it self... if u turn trottle then why not just ride off right? Unless the rpm to low and the engine keep dying, then u turn a bit... keep it lower then 2k.... 1.2k can do...
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lao jiao wordsOriginally posted by aaron017:What is your rpm when u start without the choke? If can dun, dun open choke, there is no point for u to turn the trottle when u wanna warm up.... warm up is just to start the bike and let the pistol run by it self... if u turn trottle then why not just ride off right? Unless the rpm to low and the engine keep dying, then u turn a bit... keep it lower then 2k.... 1.2k can do...
mus take note 
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oh, my rpm meter spoiled liao...Originally posted by aaron017:What is your rpm when u start without the choke? If can dun, dun open choke, there is no point for u to turn the trottle when u wanna warm up.... warm up is just to start the bike and let the pistol run by it self... if u turn trottle then why not just ride off right? Unless the rpm to low and the engine keep dying, then u turn a bit... keep it lower then 2k.... 1.2k can do...
the bike keep dying so i think it's quite low lah... i tried to warm up my bike by turning the trottle but after a while when i stop turning, the motor die... what i want to know now is will open choke spoil the bike? 
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I dunno for you, but if choke open liao hor, after you warm up, you close the choke, the rpm super low one.... have to blow and blow and blow to keep it alive... I heard from the lao jiaos that it is not good.... so just dun try lor....
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but the thing is it's hard to warm up my bike without open the choke leh... turn trottle will take quite sometime... somemore still will die engine... what to do...Originally posted by aaron017:I dunno for you, but if choke open liao hor, after you warm up, you close the choke, the rpm super low one.... have to blow and blow and blow to keep it alive... I heard from the lao jiaos that it is not good.... so just dun try lor.... -
Your idling too low is it?Originally posted by ChRiS TaY:but the thing is it's hard to warm up my bike without open the choke leh... turn trottle will take quite sometime... somemore still will die engine... what to do... -
err... i oso warm up bike wif choke... but my ta150 no rpm meter lehOriginally posted by aaron017:What is your rpm when u start without the choke? If can dun, dun open choke, there is no point for u to turn the trottle when u wanna warm up.... warm up is just to start the bike and let the pistol run by it self... if u turn trottle then why not just ride off right? Unless the rpm to low and the engine keep dying, then u turn a bit... keep it lower then 2k.... 1.2k can do...
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think u shd try increase ur idling speed.Originally posted by ChRiS TaY:but the thing is it's hard to warm up my bike without open the choke leh... turn trottle will take quite sometime... somemore still will die engine... what to do...
ppl say ta150 and nsr150sp same engine, so can say urs and mine more or less the same. i oso use choke, oso use v-power. first time i hear v-power can spoil bike, i only hear if use 95 and below no good for the bike. oso, with v-power my warmup prob not as bad as last time u used Esso 98. with esso 98 take very long time to warm and move off always sound like bike never eat rice. its a very distinct sound, not like engine stall, more like mid-rpm no power dat kinda sound. think u hear it before too.
this is what i do (disclaimer: i am not a mechanic, try at your own risk)
once u start engine in the morning, let it run and listen to the sound. if engine got knocking sound (tom-tom-TOM-tom-tom-TOM) then i increase idling, just until the knocking sound smooth but before it gets rapid, ie, (tom-tom-tom-tom-tom) instead of (tomtomtomtomtom).
heh heh hope u understand
btw, manual say must use donno wat digital meter plug into donno where and measure the donno wat thing to get correct idling speed. -
I m riding a TA150. I only use choke early in the morning when the engine is so call cold. Other than that, i never use the choke to start the engine. But i do blow the throttle for once or twice while the bike is starting. After that i will let the bike warm up by itself.
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last time my TA150 had to use choke every morning
u can try this method which i used to kick start my bike
- make sure u dun leave the fuel tap on the whole nite
- b4 u insert the key, play with ur throttle a few times (twist to full n release n repeat)
-turn on ur fuel tap n insert ur key turn on ignition
- open throtlle to 1/4 maintain
- now try to kick start....
for normal mornings, i can startwithin 3 kicks
for rainy mornings, i can start witin 5 kicks
W/O using the choke at all!
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one thing i dun know is what is idling speed??? as for the rest of EVERYONE advice, thanks a lot for it... i will try them out to see which way better...Originally posted by Ducati996:think u shd try increase ur idling speed.
ppl say ta150 and nsr150sp same engine, so can say urs and mine more or less the same. i oso use choke, oso use v-power. first time i hear v-power can spoil bike, i only hear if use 95 and below no good for the bike. oso, with v-power my warmup prob not as bad as last time u used Esso 98. with esso 98 take very long time to warm and move off always sound like bike never eat rice. its a very distinct sound, not like engine stall, more like mid-rpm no power dat kinda sound. think u hear it before too.
this is what i do (disclaimer: i am not a mechanic, try at your own risk)
once u start engine in the morning, let it run and listen to the sound. if engine got knocking sound (tom-tom-TOM-tom-tom-TOM) then i increase idling, just until the knocking sound smooth but before it gets rapid, ie, (tom-tom-tom-tom-tom) instead of (tomtomtomtomtom).
heh heh hope u understand
btw, manual say must use donno wat digital meter plug into donno where and measure the donno wat thing to get correct idling speed. -
u're supposed to turn off the choke immediately after you start your bike, not leave it on as you warm up...
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i donno where the knob for idling speed on the sp is, for my phantom its at the side.Originally posted by ChRiS TaY:one thing i dun know is what is idling speed??? as for the rest of EVERYONE advice, thanks a lot for it... i will try them out to see which way better...
u know when ur engine is on, at neutral, the engine just running like dat? the speed the engine run at neutral w/out u throttling is called idling speed. all bike got something to adjust the idling speed. when u turn the knob, increase and u will hear the engine running faster and faster. decrease of coz the engine will run slower.
too low and very often will stall. too fast u are just wasting fuel. -
how does this choke work ah?Originally posted by nismoS132:u're supposed to turn off the choke immediately after you start your bike, not leave it on as you warm up...
to me it sounds just like a higher idling speed or opening throttle slightly.
izzit just increase the fuel flowing, similar to increase idling speed very high or open throttle? if this is the case, can i say that if i leave choke on to warm, then it will cause no more damage than say i set very high idling speed, or i kick with 1/4 throttle then play throttle to warm up?
if its not the same, then how will it cause damage if i leave on? -
turning the choke on richens the air-fuel mixture in your carb. but i don't remember how it's done liaoz.... i think it restricts the amount of air going in.
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think ur idling is too low....or maybe ur carb is dirty...go clean it up if u haven't done so...thn ask the technician to adjust the rpm for u.... if u have clean already then juz adjust ur own....as for the warming up....once the bike is start dun do anything...let the engine run by itself....think tt's the best way.....
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hi, i hapen 2 start my bike the wae u mention but i got 2 wait damn long man...Originally posted by Ducati996:think u shd try increase ur idling speed.
ppl say ta150 and nsr150sp same engine, so can say urs and mine more or less the same. i oso use choke, oso use v-power. first time i hear v-power can spoil bike, i only hear if use 95 and below no good for the bike. oso, with v-power my warmup prob not as bad as last time u used Esso 98. with esso 98 take very long time to warm and move off always sound like bike never eat rice. its a very distinct sound, not like engine stall, more like mid-rpm no power dat kinda sound. think u hear it before too.
this is what i do (disclaimer: i am not a mechanic, try at your own risk)
once u start engine in the morning, let it run and listen to the sound. if engine got knocking sound (tom-tom-TOM-tom-tom-TOM) then i increase idling, just until the knocking sound smooth but before it gets rapid, ie, (tom-tom-tom-tom-tom) instead of (tomtomtomtomtom).
heh heh hope u understand
btw, manual say must use donno wat digital meter plug into donno where and measure the donno wat thing to get correct idling speed.
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wat u mean by taking long time?Originally posted by P-Plate TZR:hi, i hapen 2 start my bike the wae u mention but i got 2 wait damn long man...
if u meant take long time to warm, think u misunderstand. the method i tokking was my own personal technique to get ideal idling speed for my bike, ie, high enuff not to stall frequently and low enuff not to waste petrol. its not a technique to warm my bike.
unless u mean something else taking a long time...?
for warming wat i do (only in morn coz later part of day no prob liao) i kick start wif choke on and slightly open throttle. then after start, without turning off choke, i open throttle slightly then immediately close and wat happens is the bike will run at an audibly higher rpm, by itself as if i open throttle but with my throttle closed. i dont rely on my temp gauge coz its not reliable to check if my bike sufficiently warm to move off.
my personal signal to know if warm enuff, firstly the higher rpm i tok about will just drop by itself within one minute; secondly i check my pipe, when start with cold bike thick white smoke will come out which will gradually become thinner. oso, when i move off if engine sound like wanna die i play throttle but this one i think everybody know.
using my method i find that i light up cigarette just before kick start, by the time cigarette about to finish 4 mins later bike can blow. must say last time i used esso98 very slow to warm, finally i use this method take a bit less time but will still occasionally stall at junction outside my carpark, finally i changed v-power, with this method, cigarette finish i go no problem at all.
dats why i wanna ask why leave choke on to warm will damage bike. ppl say will damage but nobody say in what way. i not mechanic i admit i donno but i cannot accept ppl say something without saying why. -
hmmm.... does petrol has sumthin 2 do wif warmin up also????Originally posted by Ducati996:wat u mean by taking long time?
if u meant take long time to warm, think u misunderstand. the method i tokking was my own personal technique to get ideal idling speed for my bike, ie, high enuff not to stall frequently and low enuff not to waste petrol. its not a technique to warm my bike.
unless u mean something else taking a long time...?
for warming wat i do (only in morn coz later part of day no prob liao) i kick start wif choke on and slightly open throttle. then after start, without turning off choke, i open throttle slightly then immediately close and wat happens is the bike will run at an audibly higher rpm, by itself as if i open throttle but with my throttle closed. i dont rely on my temp gauge coz its not reliable to check if my bike sufficiently warm to move off.
my personal signal to know if warm enuff, firstly the higher rpm i tok about will just drop by itself within one minute; secondly i check my pipe, when start with cold bike thick white smoke will come out which will gradually become thinner. oso, when i move off if engine sound like wanna die i play throttle but this one i think everybody know.
using my method i find that i light up cigarette just before kick start, by the time cigarette about to finish 4 mins later bike can blow. must say last time i used esso98 very slow to warm, finally i use this method take a bit less time but will still occasionally stall at junction outside my carpark, finally i changed v-power, with this method, cigarette finish i go no problem at all.
dats why i wanna ask why leave choke on to warm will damage bike. ppl say will damage but nobody say in what way. i not mechanic i admit i donno but i cannot accept ppl say something without saying why. -
i not chemical engineer i have no ideaOriginally posted by P-Plate TZR:hmmm.... does petrol has sumthin 2 do wif warmin up also????
then again, i learning to be mechanical engineer and i oso donno bout engines.....
all i can say is the warming up was better when i used v-power than when i used esso98, and i think another member mentioned the same thing wif his ta150 oso. perhaps coz v-power burns more easily dats why. -
i duno if tis helps anot... but the last tym i went 4 servicing, the mech said my idling speed 4 sp too low..... so need 2 wash e caburettor, but i was in a hurry so i told him nvm, nx tym i come den do....hw much is it 2 wash the cab aniway??...
i din noe we cld adjust the idling spd on sp bike... whrs the knob aniway?? -
look for a yellow colored screw on the right side inside the fairings.Originally posted by FOOZ:i din noe we cld adjust the idling spd on sp bike... whrs the knob aniway??
+ didn't know idling and dirty carbs had any link. u sure he's not trying to pull a fast buck from ya? -
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hi...newbie here...as can c from my no. of posts...juz wanto say somethings TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE
v-power burns very fast...hence the power...but at the same time it oso burns at a higher temp than other petrol...so if ur bike's optimum temp is not high...then its not good for ur engine in the long run
kick starting....if ur carb is empty (close the petrol tap) then it whd be very ez to start but the engine dies off cos there no petrol to burn wat....but if ur carb is full of petrol...it whd be very diff to start....so its normal for engine to die off in the mornings...juz open a LITTLE BIT of throttle for ard 30 sec to send ur petrol into ur carb...if after tat u release then engine die again...2 tings...1) ur choke is on... 2) ur idling is too low
juz my 2 cents worth