Thats why LTA only let them take over 1 interchange first then takes over all the following week.
Oh by the way SMRTB will park their AMDEP 61,67,854,858 & 969 at Loyang for temporary term.
Originally posted by SBS 9256 X:I hope to see the depot control change... (Minus of the GCM Package buses)
AMDEP:
Ang Mo Kio: 22, 24, 25, 73, 86, 130, 133, 135, 138, 166 (Dual with BBDEP), 169 (return to SBST), 261, 262, 269
Yio Chu Kang: 13, 70/70M, 72, 76, 162/162M
Bishan: 50, 52 (Dual with SLBP), 53/53M, 54, 55, 56, 57 (Dual with ARBP), 58, 59, 410
Yishun: 39 (Dual with BNDEP)
Sembawang: 117
New Bridge Road: 120, 121, 122, CT8
AMDEP: 45 (Switch from dual with BNDEP to CGBP), 265, 268ARBP:
Shenton Way: 400, 402
Bukit Merah: 5 (Dual with BNDEP), 16 (Dual with BNDEP), 57 (Dual with AMDEP), 123, 131M, 132 (Dual with HGDEP), 153 (Dual with HGDEP), 272, 273
Kent Ridge: 95, 200
Ghim Moh: 92, 111
Harbourfront: 65, 80 (Dual with HGDEP), 93 (Dual with HGDEP), 123M, 408
Marina Centre: 195
Buona Vista: 32 (Dual with BNDEP), 48, 91, 191
New Bridge Road: CT28BRBP:
St Mich: 21 (Dual with BNDEP), 124, 125, 131, 186
Toa Payoh: 8 (Dual with CGBP), 26, 28 (Dual with CGBP), 31 (Dual with CGBP), 88, 90, 139 (Dual with ARBP), 139M, 141 (Dual with HGDEP), 142, 145, 155, 157 (Dual with SLBP), 231, 232, 235, 238
Lor 1 Geylang: 11, 140, 175 (Dual with BBDEP)BNDEP:
Bedok: 7 (Dual with BBDEP), 9, 14 (Dual with BBDEP), 16 (Dual with BBDEP), 18, 30 (Dual with SLBP), 30e, 32 (Dual with ARBP), 33 (Dual with BBDEP), 35/35M, 38, 40, 60, 168, 196 (Dual with BBDEP), 197 (Dual with SLBP), 222, 225, 228, 229, 401
Tampines: 4, 37, 39 (Switch from CGBP to BNDEP)
Pasir Ris: 5 (Dual with ARBP), 21 (Dual with BRBP)
Changi Village: 109 (Dual with HGDEP)
New Bridge Road: CT18
Kembangan: 42BBDEP
Bukit Merah: 198 (Switch from dual SLBP/BBDEP back to full BBDEP)
Buona Vista: 74 (Dual with HGDEP), 74e
Clementi: 7 (Dual with BNDEP), 14 (Dual with BNDEP), 99 (Dual with SLBP), 147 (Dual with HGDEP), 156 (Dual with HGDEP), 165 (Dual with HGDEP), 166 (Dual with AMDEP), 175 (Dual with BRBP), 196 (Dual with BNDEP)
Queen St: 170
Jurong East: 105 (Switch from SLBP/HGDEP to BBDEP/HGDEP), 160, 506 (Switch from SLBP to BBDEP)
Kent Ridge: 10 (Dual with CGBP), 33 (Dual with BNDEP), 151/151e (Dual with HGDEP), 201
CGBP:
Changi Business Park: 47
Upp East Coast Road: 45 (Dual with AMDEP)
Tampines: 8 (Dual with BRBP), 10, (Dual with BBDEP), 19, 20, 23, 28 (Dual with BRBP), 29, 31 (Dual with BRBP), 38, 65, 69, 81, 291, 292, 293HGDEP:
Serangoon : 100, 101, 103, 105 (Dual with BBDEP, switching from SLBP), 109 (Dual with BNDEP), 158, 315, 317
Hougang Central: 27, 51 (Dual with SLBP), 74 (Dual with BBDEP), 89/89e, 102, 107/107M, 112, 113, 116, 132 (Dual with ARBP), 147 (Dual with BBDEP), 151/151e (Dual with BBDEP), 153 (Dual with ARBP), 161, 165 (Dual with BBDEP), 324, 325
Kovan City: 115
Sengkang: 80 (Dual with ARBP), 87, 156 (Dual with BBDEP), 159, 163/163M, 371, 372
Eunos: 63/63M, 93, 94, 150, 154 (Dual with SLBP)SLBP:
Boon Lay: 30 (Dual with BNDEP), 154 (Dual with HGDEP), 157 (Dual with BRBP), 172 (Return to SBST), 174/174e, 179, 180 (handover to SBST), 181/181M, 192, 193, 194, 199, 240, 241, 242, 243, 246, 249 ,251, 252, 256, 258, 405
Joo Koon: 99 (Dual with BBDEP), 182/182M, 253, 254, 255, 257Bold: Changes to depot controlled/new depot controlled
You conveniently forgot Sims Place. No offence bro, but which depot will take responsibility for 64 & 134?
Hgdep,Future Kim Chuan depot.
From the looks of it, there are currently around fifty to fifty-five buses inside Bulim Depot. So far don't have buses in the new Lush Green livery yet. All in SBS and SMRT livery. There's many Mercedes-Benz Citaro, MAN Double Decker, MAN A22 and Volvo B9TL. The majority of the fleet is likely going to be from the existing depots transfer over to Bulim Depot. I think by now SMRT need to vacate the place already, as the Bulim GCM is about to begin.
Originally posted by gekpohboy:From the looks of it, there are currently around fifty to fifty-five buses inside Bulim Depot. So far don't have buses in the new Lush Green livery yet. All in SBS and SMRT livery. There's many Mercedes-Benz Citaro, MAN Double Decker, MAN A22 and Volvo B9TL. The majority of the fleet is likely going to be from the existing depots transfer over to Bulim Depot. I think by now SMRT need to vacate the place already, as the Bulim GCM is about to begin.
SMRT are not going to vacate Bulim Depot anytime soon. Where else to park their buses? KJDEP already bursting. Park at roadside or heavy vehicle park?
Originally posted by TIB868X:SMRT are not going to vacate Bulim Depot anytime soon. Where else to park their buses? KJDEP already bursting. Park at roadside or heavy vehicle park?
SMRT cannot use more than 80 parking lots.
Originally posted by iveco:You conveniently forgot Sims Place. No offence bro, but which depot will take responsibility for 64 & 134?
I forgot abt that... Sorry... They will be under HGDEP...
Originally posted by gekpohboy:From the looks of it, there are currently around fifty to fifty-five buses inside Bulim Depot. So far don't have buses in the new Lush Green livery yet. All in SBS and SMRT livery. There's many Mercedes-Benz Citaro, MAN Double Decker, MAN A22 and Volvo B9TL. The majority of the fleet is likely going to be from the existing depots transfer over to Bulim Depot. I think by now SMRT need to vacate the place already, as the Bulim GCM is about to begin.
The MAN DDs and the A22 aren't they not on current BB services?
Originally posted by SBS3004X:SMRT cannot use more than 80 parking lots.
LTA allow SMRT to park 100 buses at Budep and 110 buses at Lydep temporarily until the winner of Sungei Seletar is announced.
Originally posted by carbikebus:LTA allow SMRT to park 100 buses at Budep and 110 buses at Lydep temporarily until the winner of Sungei Seletar is announced.
Sungei Seletar still just a clear piece of land.. Nt yet developed ah... So I presume by 2017 the package should be out for bidding?
Originally posted by SBS 9256 X:Sungei Seletar still just a clear piece of land.. Nt yet developed ah... So I presume by 2017 the package should be out for bidding?
Yes,I think by Q4 this year the bidding starts..2017 Seletar and Q1 Ulu Pandan.Well i suspect a new depot near Buangkok East/Tampines Rd will be built in future,Maybe for Sengkang/Some of Tampines and Buangkok service?
Originally posted by carbikebus:Yes,I think by Q4 this year the bidding starts..2017 Seletar and Q1 Ulu Pandan.Well i suspect a new depot near Buangkok East/Tampines Rd will be built in future,Maybe for Sengkang/Some of Tampines and Buangkok service?
Hmmm... I see... Mandai wise leh? Will there be a package under that?
Originally posted by SBS 9256 X:Hmmm... I see... Mandai wise leh? Will there be a package under that?
I can only think Woodlands/Woodlands North and part of Sembawang..
Originally posted by carbikebus:I can only think Woodlands/Woodlands North and part of Sembawang..
I may think these areas:
- Woodlands
- Woodlands North
- Sembawang (Full due to distance but maybe like you say half...)
- Choa Chu Kang
- Bukit Panjang
- Yishun (Half go to Sungei Seletar)
Considering there are only two passenger service centres in every bus interchange, I guess each bus interchange will have up to two GCM packages only. An exception would be bus routes that loop inside the bus interchange, as they do not require a passenger service centre there.
Boon Lay already has 79 under Bulim GCM and Bedok already has 66 under Bulim GCM. I think they will each have only one more GCM.
Therefore, it is likely that 178, 187, 854 and 854e will not belong to Sungei Seletar GCM or any other GCMs in the North, since they belong to either Boon Lay or Bedok.
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Actually, I feel that it is the number of buses that matters, not the number of routes, cuz each depot can only accomodate up to 500 to 550 buses, and must also reserve space for future use. It is stated that Bulim GCM will start with around 380 buses and Loyang GCM will start with around 400 buses. I guess 380 to 400 is roughly the number of buses every GCM package will start with. Based on the range of 380-400 buses, the fleet info at sgwiki and the fact that there are only two passenger service centres in a bus interchange, I think we can roughly guess the composition of possible GCM packages.
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To cut long story short, here's my prediction:
Boon Lay GCM - all twenty seven routes at Boon Lay Int, excluding 79 and 258 - up to 406 buses as of now.
Bedok GCM - all twenty five routes at Bedok Int, excluding 17, 17a, 18, 30, 30e, 60 and 66 - up to 417 buses as of now.
Actually, if there's the limit of two passenger service centres in a bus interchange, there is a possibility that the six remaining routes at Clementi Int - excluding 7, 14 and 196 to avoid double count - may be part of Bedok GCM. Those six remaining routes use up to 144 buses. If combined with Bedok Int's routes, the total number is up to 561. I understand the maximum number of buses in a bus depot is 550. If combined, I guess route 96 (which uses up to 10 buses) will be changed to loop at Clementi and route 40 (which uses up to 7 buses) will be changed to loop at Bedok, making it 544 buses. Just nice fill up one bus depot of 550 vacancies.
Originally posted by gekpohboy:Considering there are only two passenger service centres in every bus interchange, I guess each bus interchange will have up to two GCM packages only. An exception would be bus routes that loop inside the bus interchange, as they do not require a passenger service centre there.
Therefore, it is likely that 178, 187, 854 and 854e will not belong to Sungei Seletar GCM or any other GCMs in the North, since they belong to either Boon Lay or Bedok.
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Actually, I feel that it is the number of buses that matters, not the number of routes, cuz each depot can only accomodate up to 500 to 550 buses, and must also reserve space for future use. It is stated that Bulim GCM will start with around 380 buses and Loyang GCM will start with around 400 buses. I guess 380 to 400 is roughly the number of buses every GCM package will start with. Based on the range of 380-400 buses, the fleet info at sgwiki and the fact that there are only two passenger service centres in a bus interchange, I think we can roughly guess the composition of possible GCM packages.
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To cut long story short, here's my prediction:
Boon Lay GCM - all twenty seven routes at Boon Lay Int, excluding 79 and 258 - up to 406 buses as of now.
Bedok GCM - all twenty five routes at Bedok Int, excluding 17, 17a, 30, 30e, 60 and 66 - up to 423 buses as of now.
In case you didn't know, nearer to the end of the year, Bedok Interchange will have the physical office presence of 3 operators namely SBST, SMRT (854/854E) and TT (66). 4 operators if you include the possibility of 17 ceasing to be a loop service.
Do you really think they will limit each interchange to having only two operators because of small factors like number of passenger service offices? They can always build new ones and there is no need for such micromanagement if efficiency is to be achieved in the grand scheme of things.
Originally posted by SBS 9256 X:I may think these areas:
- Woodlands
- Woodlands North
- Sembawang (Full due to distance but maybe like you say half...)
- Choa Chu Kang
- Bukit Panjang
- Yishun (Half go to Sungei Seletar)
My take on Mandai:
- Woodlands, Woodlands North, Sembawang, Bukit Panjang (all or almost all)
- Yishun (half)
I'm not so sure about Choa Chu Kang, maybe it'll be under Ulu Pandan? Or else what would Ulu Pandan undertake in its vincinity?
Originally posted by TIB868X:My take on Mandai:
- Woodlands, Woodlands North, Sembawang, Bukit Panjang (all or almost all)
- Yishun (half)
I'm not so sure about Choa Chu Kang, maybe it'll be under Ulu Pandan? Or else what would Ulu Pandan undertake in its vincinity?
Ulu Pandan... Maybe takes in
- Bukit Merah, Buona Vista, Clementi, Jurong East, Kent Ridge, Marina Centre/Shenton Way, Harbour Front
- Choa Chu Kang (Maybe partial)
Originally posted by SBS 9256 X:Ulu Pandan... Maybe takes in
- Bukit Merah, Buona Vista, Clementi, Jurong East, Kent Ridge, Marina Centre/Shenton Way, Harbour Front- Choa Chu Kang (Maybe partial)
Those long-distance routes will be grouped accordingly, or split as follows:
51 - may be under Ulu Pandan Depot?
52 - may be under Ulu Pandan Depot?
61 - may be under Kim Chuan Depot?
Originally posted by TPS Timothy Mok:
- Ang Mo Kio Depot: Ang Mo Kio/Bishan
- Braddell Bus Park: Toa Payoh/St Michael's/Bidadari
- Bulim Depot: part of Jurong East/Bukit Batok/Jurong Innovation District/Tengah
- East Coast Integrated Depot: Tampines/Changi Business Park/Bedok
- Gali Batu Depot: Choa Chu Kang/Bukit Panjang
- Kim Chuan Depot: Hougang/Serangoon/Eunos/Sims Place
- Loyang Depot: Pasir Ris/Tampines North/Changi Airport/Changi Village
- Mandai Depot: Woodlands/Woodlands North/Sembawang
- Pulau Brani Depot: HarbourFront/Marina Centre/New Bridge Road/Shenton Way/Marina South
- Sengkang East Depot: Sengkang/Punggol/Buangkok
- Soon Lee Depot: Boon Lay/Joo Koon/Tuas/Tuas South
- Sungei Seletar Depot: Yishun/Yio Chu Kang/part of Ang Mo Kio
- Ulu Pandan Depot: part of Jurong East/Clementi/Buona Vista/Ghim Moh/Bukit Merah
Those long-distance routes will be grouped accordingly, or split as follows:
51 - may be under Ulu Pandan Depot?
52 - may be under Ulu Pandan Depot?
61 - may be under Kim Chuan Depot?
67 - may be under East Coast Integrated Depot?
There will also be depots at Jalan Sungei Poyan, Allanbrooke Road and Jalan Noordin.
Originally posted by SBS 9256 X:I may think these areas:
- Woodlands
- Woodlands North
- Sembawang (Full due to distance but maybe like you say half...)
- Choa Chu Kang
- Bukit Panjang
- Yishun (Half go to Sungei Seletar)
I dont think BPJ and Yishun will be included,For a 550 capacity Mandai depot i think the most LTA would allow is 26-29 service and 70% already come from Woodlands Reg Int.Yishun out of question already.Maybe a new Gali Batu depot will control CCK,BPJ and some of Woodlands svc like 178,187,960 & 963.
Originally posted by TIB868X:There will also be depots at Jalan Sungei Poyan, Allanbrooke Road and Jalan Noordin.
Wah jialat leh that guy,Pulau Brani also built depot?Why not Coney Island better.
Originally posted by carbikebus:Wah jialat leh that guy,Pulau Brani also built depot?Why not Coney Island better.
I also forgot to mention that there would be depots built at Jalan Lazarus
Ulu Pandan Depot capacity is 500 buses.
I guess the Ulu Pandan GCM will involve bus routes at Clementi, Jurong East, Joo Koon, Bukit Batok, Boon Lay and Tuas.
I guess it will begin with 482 buses on 30 routes (see below), with 18 spare capacity for future bus services to serve the future industrial and business developments in Jurong.
Clementi: 7, 14, 147, 156, 165, 166, 175, 196 - up to 183 buses
Jurong East: 51, 52, 105, 197, 506 - up to 114 buses
Joo Koon: 99, 182, 182M, 253, 254, 255, 257, 258 - up to 72 buses
Bukit Batok: 61, 852 - up to 46 buses
Boon Lay: 246, 249, 251, 252, 256 - up to 40 buses
Tuas: 192, 193 - up to 27 buses
If I remember correctly, a few years ago, someone said something about "West Coast package". Could this be the one?
Anyway, Ulu Pandan Depot will be ready in Q1 2018. I guess Ulu Pandan GCM will come in from Q1 2019.