SMRT MAN NG363F A24 discussions
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Originally posted by SMB128B:
If such a problem exists in an SD, what makes you so convinced it wouldnt exist on a DD, given its lower deck has basically the same layout as an SD i.e. seats and alley all the way behind?
Apparently, DDs have better rear layout than SDs. It's not as narrow as the SDs.
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Originally posted by iveco:
In the first place, CGA basement has insufficient height clearance to allow DDs inside.
Yes Understand...but I didn't say DD to ply CGA basement? Perhaps there's a future bus terminal...but the chances of deploying DD is 50,50.
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Originally posted by TIB429E:
Before the team could even view the CCTV, if it's a real bomb, the cctv footage might have already gone case. And how would you know if the person is covering his face?
At least for SD, there isn't much people as compared to DD? That's the reason why announcement are played on trains to look for suspicious items etc.?
If DDs are a security concern, there wouldn't be DDs on services to Changi Airfreight Centre, on 35, on JIS routes that pass by sensitive installations.
I think its just a case of extreme paranoia. Haven't heard of Cityflyer buses blowing up at HKIA.
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Originally posted by TIB429E:
Firstly, I never mentioned which layout for which type of buses.
Mind the words I've used...There's seats behind. The space would most likely be empty. They move to the rear because of that. At this point, you might not see the purpose.
But comes to when the bus is crowded. Look at our A22/Citaro, there's always plenty of empty space there. These space, including the layout #1(Citaro one), can allow ppl to slip tru to the rear easily? Even if it's occupied, there's still a chance to go tru them. It simply enlarge the walking space(as seen now).
Put to DD application, I've realize it works well too. Passengers boarding the bus can simply squeeze tru to the rear instead of queuing up for the stairs.
Why is there a need to assume when it's prohibited? Passengers at the front would walk pass the first stairs, to the 2nd just because of the door and incoming pax from lower deck. Do you think it will be a smooth pace? I'm sure many lazy ones will use the first stairs more if they are sitted at the front, resulting in delay in alighting if failed to come down all the way.
Ok I see your point on the space. Thanks for clarifying.
Regarding the stairs, are you sure ppl would walk past, instead of gg up the first stairs they encounter? Esp since making the second stairs alight-only since its connected to the rear door, which I've alr suggested it to be exit-only countless times alr? So you mean people will willingly take the stairs behind to swim against the tide?
For those on upper deck. Since they should only alight behind, will they rather go down and squeeze with the lower-deck crowd, or walk to the back via the standee-free upper deck, and alight seamlessly from the back stairway?
Maybe you should try thinking about the human mindset more in depth. It's quite interesting to do so actually...
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Originally posted by TIB868X:
If DDs are a security concern, there wouldn't be DDs on services to Changi Airfreight Centre, on 35, on JIS routes that pass by sensitive installations.
I think its just a case of extreme paranoia. Haven't heard of Cityflyer buses blowing up at HKIA.
Apparent, apparent.
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Originally posted by TIB429E:
Before the team could even view the CCTV, if it's a real bomb, the cctv footage might have already gone case. And how would you know if the person is covering his face?
At least for SD, there isn't much people as compared to DD? That's the reason why announcement are played on trains to look for suspicious items etc.?
These are all your extreme theories!
Would you sacrifice the masses over a hypothesis with a 0.0000001% of happening? Before you say "yes before the damage is done" or whatever along those lines, I wanna remind you, Freedom Tower now stands merely metres away from Ground Zero. So you're saying we should not build the tower in fear another bunch of terrorists dive planes into it?
Or are you just biased against DDs? So that your wonderful bendies will continue to roam around? Well not that I am not supportive of bendies... But realistically speaking, bendies on 858 is only a stop-gap measure before a proper terminal rises at CGA. The moment a DD-friendly ter exists all CGA svcs will get waves of DDs. By then we can kiss bendies and most of the rigids goodbye.
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Originally posted by TIB868X:
If DDs are a security concern, there wouldn't be DDs on services to Changi Airfreight Centre, on 35, on JIS routes that pass by sensitive installations.
I think its just a case of extreme paranoia. Haven't heard of Cityflyer buses blowing up at HKIA.
Hmm but Sv35 do not have any security check?
Unless they aren't checking, subsequent checkpoints security might have issue when they see unattended items...(If DDs are cleared in airport in future).
Haven't heard doesn't mean nothing anyway...I'm sure that's the reason why even photographers are considered as a suspicious person..
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Originally posted by TIB429E:
Apparently, DDs have better rear layout than SDs. It's not as narrow as the SDs.
Thats kinda untrue... Perhaps you get this illusion from the twisty aisle of LF SDs. But no matter what, DDs are no better in terms of trouble to get to exit from seats.
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Originally posted by SMB128B:
Ok I see your point on the space. Thanks for clarifying.
Regarding the stairs, are you sure ppl would walk past, instead of gg up the first stairs they encounter? Esp since making the second stairs alight-only since its connected to the rear door, which I've alr suggested it to be exit-only countless times alr? So you mean people will willingly take the stairs behind to swim against the tide?
For those on upper deck. Since they should only alight behind, will they rather go down and squeeze with the lower-deck crowd, or walk to the back via the standee-free upper deck, and alight seamlessly from the back stairway?
Maybe you should try thinking about the human mindset more in depth. It's quite interesting to do so actually...
I'm referring to the upper deck? Since you mentioned about the rear door and the alight-only for 2nd one?
Maybe you should know the fact that a door stating Entrance can become Exit?
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Originally posted by TIB429E:
Hmm but Sv35 do not have any security check?
Unless they aren't checking, subsequent checkpoints security might have issue when they see unattended items...(If DDs are cleared in airport in future).
Haven't heard doesn't mean nothing anyway...I'm sure that's the reason why even photographers are considered as a suspicious person..
A blanket policy? A one-size-fits-all solution with a huge cost to the general public, in attempt to address your bewildering fallacies?
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Originally posted by TIB429E:
I'm referring to the upper deck? Since you mentioned about the rear door and the alight-only for 2nd one?
Maybe you should know the fact that a door stating Entrance can become Exit?
See, this is what I meant.
The human mindset.
Yes you could alight from the front. And yes, it may be marginally nearer.
But think about this.
You have to swim against the tide. Squeeze your way down the stairs. Towards the door. And push yourself out as crowds swarm in the opposite direction. Not to mention, the endless faces you have to bear as stares and glares rain onto you, this "inconsiderate idiot".
Is it still worth it? Or would you rather take a few more steps, and exit carefree through a smooth and comfortable path?
Your take.
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Originally posted by SMB128B:
These are all your extreme theories!
Would you sacrifice the masses over a hypothesis with a 0.0000001% of happening? Before you say "yes before the damage is done" or whatever along those lines, I wanna remind you, Freedom Tower now stands merely metres away from Ground Zero. So you're saying we should not build the tower in fear another bunch of terrorists dive planes into it?
Or are you just biased against DDs? So that your wonderful bendies will continue to roam around? Well not that I am not supportive of bendies... But realistically speaking, bendies on 858 is only a stop-gap measure before a proper terminal rises at CGA. The moment a DD-friendly ter exists all CGA svcs will get waves of DDs. By then we can kiss bendies and most of the rigids goodbye.
Okay fine, but still, do you even think our local transport at the airport could be upgraded to DD when they are already hiding at a corner in the first place? Everyone wish for a new bus terminal at airport, capable of DDs entry, but are there even such plans?
I'm not biased against DD. Infact, I've alr mentioned long ago that bendies should only stay within intra-town/feeder, not trunks.
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Originally posted by SMB128B:
See, this is what I meant.
The human mindset.
Yes you could alight from the front. And yes, it may be marginally nearer.
But think about this.
You have to swim against the tide. Squeeze your way down the stairs. Towards the door. And push yourself out as crowds swarm in the opposite direction. Not to mention, the endless faces you have to bear as stares and glares rain onto you, this "inconsiderate idiot".
Is it still worth it? Or would you rather take a few more steps, and exit carefree through a smooth and comfortable path?
Your take.
Don't need to think about it, such signs are still on-going nowadays...I ain't saying it's totally no go but mentioning of such setbacks in this design.
Till dates, people alighting from the front door don't even bother about the incoming pax, I doubt they will even bother about the direction of stairs when they think they could.
As mentioned, if happens that the alighting pax. got stucked, delay in alighting will generally occurs..
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Originally posted by TIB429E:
Okay fine, but still, do you even think our local transport at the airport could be upgraded to DD when they are already hiding at a corner in the first place? Everyone wish for a new bus terminal at airport, capable of DDs entry, but are there even such plans?
I'm not biased against DD. Infact, I've alr mentioned long ago that bendies should only stay within intra-town/feeder, not trunks.
I dont think so. I've pretty much lost hope in the bus division of LTA, and in CAAS planners.
But still, no one would, and should, condemn these useful makes over theories that are far from coming true.
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Originally posted by SMB128B:
I dont think so. I've pretty much lost hope in the bus division of LTA, and in CAAS planners.
But still, no one would, and should, condemn these useful makes over theories that are far from coming true.
With high level security nowadays, I guess these theories, some would called it "extreme paranoia", might even come true...to some extend of which I've seen that even a snapshot of the MRT map could be posing a threat...
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Anything can happen,Who knows there might be a centralised open air airport Terminal near T1/T3 building and those who wish to continue to T1/T3 can just cut through the Jewel and there might be a feeder running between T3/T1 and loop at T2?
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
Anything can happen,Who knows there might be a centralised open air airport Terminal near T1/T3 building and those who wish to continue to T1/T3 can just cut through the Jewel and there might be a feeder running between T3/T1 and loop at T2?
Yes anything can happen...
But from what I see, the airport need a total change.
A centre point for public buses, would be required. Reduces the time queuing to clear the security into 1 or none. This centre point needs to be linked to MRT stations, a SkyTrain interchange. Ideally, walking distance from any terminal. Might not need a bus interchange actually(Eg. A long bus stop can save time ; sv36 to terminate elsewhere).
With T4 & T5 upcoming, I'm sure finding a land space that fits the criteria above could be an issue.
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Originally posted by TIB429E:
Hmm but Sv35 do not have any security check?
Unless they aren't checking, subsequent checkpoints security might have issue when they see unattended items...(If DDs are cleared in airport in future).
Haven't heard doesn't mean nothing anyway...I'm sure that's the reason why even photographers are considered as a suspicious person..
sv 35 does not have any security check for ALPS. 9/19/89 has.
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A moon might also collide with the earth.
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Originally posted by SMB128B:
I dont think so. I've pretty much lost hope in the bus division of LTA, and in CAAS planners.
But still, no one would, and should, condemn these useful makes over theories that are far from coming true.
Multi-use of space at best. Probably instructions from the top. Which competent planner of world class airports in the world would relegate buses to calling at delivery basements?
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Originally posted by TIB868X:
Multi-use of space at best. Probably instructions from the top. Which competent planner of world class airports in the world would relegate buses to calling at delivery basements?
Perhaps the planners are not competent to begin with?
Only focus on the fine decorative details of the premise, yet failing to solve the basic essential problems?
In other words, addressing only the wants, not the needs? Only focus on profit gaining amenities eg. Rows of branded shops (mostly for show), and turning a blind eye to the masses of airport personnel, who has to experience living hell during commutes?