860 is running at such a high frequency because of the high volume of passengers it has to cope with. SMRT and LTA probably had to run it at such a high frequency due to the lack of high capcity buses being deployed. No BSEP bendy for now and Im guessing the route is not DD-friendly (doesnt make sense why LTA will not put DDs on it for such a long time if they could have)
Since now SMRT has deployed A24 on 860, its a wiser choice to deploy more bendy and reduce the number of buses on this service. Such high frequency is not required. End of the day you use more SDs to compensate for HC buses, you take up more space, use more fuel, need extra drivers. And even after all these, 1 bendy is faster than 2 SDs. Quite insane to have 16 buses deployed on such a short route. And when more flats open, it'll be even more crazy to make the service more frequent and spam with more A22s.
But I think SMRT cant deploy too many O405Gs on this service cos its a BSEP service and has WAB status. And A24s at the moment not sufficent to go around too. 2 A24s and 2 O405Gs will be good for a start, with 8 A22s.
If 860 get extended then i think using DDs will be no problem at all..I dont think there is any restriction along the way.
Originally posted by TIB429E:"CBD routes will not allow any bendy buses" isn't said by LTA, but rather bus enthus.
Come on buddy, stop fooling yourself. How many bendies are remaining on CBD services such as 106, 190, 700?
It will be sad, but very soon it will be difficult to catch a bendy bus unless you travel to northern or western suburbs.
Originally posted by TIB429E:Maybe when new flats are ready, they boost the capacity for 180? (To DD)
860 should get bendy rather than DD. Aunties won't be going up with their trolleys and bags...
Agrees that 188(and 971E) should not get bendy..but DD.
Agreed. I prefer they deploy bendy on 860 than DD as there are more DD needy services.
180 on the contrary should have been a good DD candidate, relieving some bendies for other services such as feeder/short trunks.
By the way 180 does have a good point to point loading. It is the fastest way to connect between BPJ/Phoenix to Jurong West Ave (via bus transfer) or Boon Lay. During peak hours, buses get good 60-80 pax and most of them travel long distance.
Off-peak the story is just like other services, poor loading, but that is the pattern for 90% of services in SG.
Originally posted by randomguy10:860 is running at such a high frequency because of the high volume of passengers it has to cope with. SMRT and LTA probably had to run it at such a high frequency due to the lack of high capcity buses being deployed. No BSEP bendy for now and Im guessing the route is not DD-friendly (doesnt make sense why LTA will not put DDs on it for such a long time if they could have)
Since now SMRT has deployed A24 on 860, its a wiser choice to deploy more bendy and reduce the number of buses on this service. Such high frequency is not required. End of the day you use more SDs to compensate for HC buses, you take up more space, use more fuel, need extra drivers. And even after all these, 1 bendy is faster than 2 SDs. Quite insane to have 16 buses deployed on such a short route. And when more flats open, it'll be even more crazy to make the service more frequent and spam with more A22s.
But I think SMRT cant deploy too many O405Gs on this service cos its a BSEP service and has WAB status. And A24s at the moment not sufficent to go around too. 2 A24s and 2 O405Gs will be good for a start, with 8 A22s.
Route not DD friendly? I wonder how many times someone or the other has said this. Please point out which part of the route is not DD friendly. Majority of its route is plied by previous 850E.
It is LACK of DDs due to which 860 did not get DDs in first place. By the time AMDEP got DDs, 860 was already stormed with 16 buses at a frequency of 03-05 mins + frequency boost with deployment of 860A. There is no need of HC buses as of now. If the first bus is crowded, the bus behind will be empty.
While I say this please note Ring Road has NEW flats with very low occupancy as of now and there are MANY MORE to come. So maybe in a year the situation will be different, and as I said before 860 may need a fleet like 10 bendy + 6 MANA22. I just don't know from where it will supply WAB bendies though.
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:Come on buddy, stop fooling yourself. How many bendies are remaining on CBD services such as 106, 190, 700?
It will be sad, but very soon it will be difficult to catch a bendy bus unless you travel to northern or western suburbs.
Still, did LTA even say "NO"? If yes, please quote some credible source because I do not find any form of "NO bendy buses" from any credible statement.
Do note that "CBD routes will not allow any bendy buses" can mean a lot of difference to the current situation(lesser bendy buses).
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:Agreed. I prefer they deploy bendy on 860 than DD as there are more DD needy services.
180 on the contrary should have been a good DD candidate, relieving some bendies for other services such as feeder/short trunks.
By the way 180 does have a good point to point loading. It is the fastest way to connect between BPJ/Phoenix to Jurong West Ave (via bus transfer) or Boon Lay. During peak hours, buses get good 60-80 pax and most of them travel long distance.
Off-peak the story is just like other services, poor loading, but that is the pattern for 90% of services in SG.
180 is still not really a good candidate yet, for DD. The bus frequency is fixed to 10mins per bus during peak hours, and thus resulting a longer queue(Sometimes cannot board). *Base on my observations*
Perhaps, BPJ int could be another reason why they did not boost the capacity.
Originally posted by TIB429E:180 is still not really a good candidate yet, for DD. The bus frequency is fixed to 10mins per bus during peak hours, and thus resulting a longer queue(Sometimes cannot board). *Base on my observations*
Perhaps, BPJ int could be another reason why they did not boost the capacity.
Not sure what you mean... one way you say longer queue... other you say not good candidate for DD!?!
As for now SMRT should prioritise the A24s for feeders/Intratowns and 858 only,Stop using A24s for 180,854,963 etc..
41 units allocations
300:2
302:3
800:2
804:3
806:3
811:4
812:2
858:4
900:2
901:2
903:2
911:2
912:3
913:3
Balance 3 spares
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:Not sure what you mean... one way you say longer queue... other you say not good candidate for DD!?!
Not a good candidate for DD yet, the long queue was formed because of the 10mins waiting time. By right, usual peak hours should be 5-7mins waiting time.
I would rather see an improvement of frequency first, and if needed, then the capacity. Because 10mins waiting time imo, abit too long(peak hours)
Originally posted by TIB429E:Not a good candidate for DD yet, the long queue was formed because of the 10mins waiting time. By right, usual peak hours should be 5-7mins waiting time.
I would rather see an improvement of frequency first, and if needed, then the capacity. Because 10mins waiting time imo, abit too long(peak hours)
10 mins is bad frequency for trunk service? really? does the demand justify more buses for sv 180 when it already has full fleet bendy??? just making you think a bit. :) no war.
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:10 mins is bad frequency for trunk service? really? does the demand justify more buses for sv 180 when it already has full fleet bendy??? just making you think a bit. :) no war.
A bit too long imo haha..I don't mind the fleet getting some A22s as fleet add(running at half the interval).
But trust me, I believe they should adjust their fleet first, especially 180A. The timing for 180A should start as early as 530pm, till 8pm then after 11.
P.S. I know it sounds a bit demanding...but I prefer both improved frequency and improved capacity to be implemented to 180.
180 in my opinion need split DDs. Peak hour uni-directional peak hour load esp those from ITE and those working at dorms along BBT Rd. Off peak from BPJ to BNL, low loading, buses skipped several bus stop. At times i wonder if a rigid is already enough to tank the off peak load
If the route is DD friendly, what other reason is there for a MP to make a move and deploy a bendy on that route. After all it is a BSEP service, it would make sense for him to liase with LTA and get 1DD instead mah. Although 860 largely plies the route of 850E, the route is not exactly the same.
i understand the part about AMDEP not having DDs in the past but take note that the A24 was only recently deployed as perm, at a point in time where AMDEP has DDs. And at that time 860 also had 16 buses running. You mean LTA could not even spare 1 unit? AMDEP has 3 spare ADLs, according to sgwiki. And all 3 are BSEP. Even 983 and 981 has DDs.
Majority of BSEP routes is DD friendly,Even if there is a low hanging branches im sure LTA will liase with NEA for that..Just take 176 and 960 for examples,Who would have thought that DDs is passable?
Originally posted by randomguy10:If the route is DD friendly, what other reason is there for a MP to make a move and deploy a bendy on that route. After all it is a BSEP service, it would make sense for him to liase with LTA and get 1DD instead mah. Although 860 largely plies the route of 850E, the route is not exactly the same.
i understand the part about AMDEP not having DDs in the past but take note that the A24 was only recently deployed as perm, at a point in time where AMDEP has DDs. And at that time 860 also had 16 buses running. You mean LTA could not even spare 1 unit? AMDEP has 3 spare ADLs, according to sgwiki. And all 3 are BSEP. Even 983 and 981 has DDs.
Dun ever trust sgwiki for info,Those 3 spare DDs always stuck on 854,857 and even 61 for SMB3610E.
Originally posted by randomguy10:If the route is DD friendly, what other reason is there for a MP to make a move and deploy a bendy on that route. After all it is a BSEP service, it would make sense for him to liase with LTA and get 1DD instead mah. Although 860 largely plies the route of 850E, the route is not exactly the same.
i understand the part about AMDEP not having DDs in the past but take note that the A24 was only recently deployed as perm, at a point in time where AMDEP has DDs. And at that time 860 also had 16 buses running. You mean LTA could not even spare 1 unit? AMDEP has 3 spare ADLs, according to sgwiki. And all 3 are BSEP. Even 983 and 981 has DDs.
How does 1 bendy or 1 DD make any difference in a fleet of 16 buses? Moreover, if bendy follows MANA22 that has tanked the load, the bendy will even go empty.
Make sense if it is a fleet of say 12 buses with 8 bendies/4 A22s, then you are saving resources/buses yet effectively managing load at a good 4-5 min frequency.
I read somewhere that CGA have been modified a little to accomadate the A24 on 858. It currently do not have space for 2 or more services to utilise A24s, even if the scenario is that LTA order A24s and ask SBST to deploy them on CGA routes. Unless the basement layout for the upcoming T4 is changed to accomondate multiple A24s at the same time. Rest points also need to shift to T4 if that is the case.
858 cannot have too many A24 due to space constraint in case they bunched at CGA and other areas
Originally posted by carbikebus:Dun ever trust sgwiki for info,Those 3 spare DDs always stuck on 854,857 and even 61 for SMB3610E.
I dont think the E500 are SP. is just that no one observe properly so sgwiki info not accurate (like i believe 3610E is perm 61)
Originally posted by SMB1333T:I dont think the E500 are SP. is just that no one observe properly so sgwiki info not accurate (like i believe 3610E is perm 61)
Yeah,another two always on 854 or 857.
i saw 851 has a new mandy
Wrong deployment,Instead for feeders or other short distance trunk they deploy on long trunk svc like 188 and 851.
Originally posted by carbikebus:Wrong deployment,Instead for feeders or other short distance trunk they deploy on long trunk svc like 188 and 851.
i think for 851 there a lot of old people going for short distance, going up and down from the service. Bendy is good, no need to go up to upper deck for old people as their legs not strong to climb up upper deck of DD bus. 188 also the same serving inter town bus stopping often.
Originally posted by wsy1234:i think for 851 there a lot of old people going for short distance, going up and down from the service. Bendy is good, no need to go up to upper deck for old people as their legs not strong to climb up upper deck of DD bus. 188 also the same serving inter town bus stopping often.
Really!? What % of the bus is old people? They cannot take seat at lower deck???