SMRT MAN NG363F A24 discussions
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Originally posted by SMB145B:
there is 962, 856 between Woodlands and Sembawang. and 859 doing Yishun and Sembawang. Wa Khaw! 858 is covering for these as well?
27's Tampines to Airport is also covered by 34. 858>34>27 for pax heading to CGA.
Not sure what you are on, but comparing 856, 962 and 858 you would realise they serve completely different portions of Woodlands. If I was comparing direct Woodlands MRT-Sembawang MRT trips, I might as well add the MRT in as an option. The passenger flows I am talking about here are local (more or less feeder/short inter-town) sections of the route.
And then you have 859, for quite a number of people, particularly those who live near Sembawang MRT, 858 is a faster and shorter route to Yishun, so its a no brainer for them to take 858, they get to save on fares.
My point about 27 was not about alternatives or lack of it, but about how the travel patterns on 27 have changed since the TPE bus stop opened. People going to the airport from the NE have largely switched to 858, hence the loading problem on 27 is not as serious as before, while 858 faced an increase in passengers.
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Originally posted by SMB145B:
buying more bendies is out. Bus Contracts currently only had 12m Rigids and 12m DDs.
Eventually most of the 41 bendies would be on 858. Since Airport do not facilitate DDs, the best option left are these 18m Bendies.
I don't see why they couldn't buy, sure it looks unlikely, but there is no official announcement from LTA that there wouldn't be bendies.
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Originally posted by SMB128B:
Are you sure the terminal at T5 is centralised?
See, with these bunch of myopic people not addressing the problem during the planning of the Jewel, I have lost all faith in them alr. Having a centralised bus station is ridiculous in T5. What about those in T1-3? The Jewel was such a strategic location. Located right in the heart of T1-3. Buses could depart from the Jewel, pass thru T5, and hit the expy.
If you read my point properly, you would realise that I specifically mentioned that the current terminals have to be served.
Plus, it is impossible (as yet) to depart from the current three terminals and then head to T5 and then go on to the respective destinations. It will be a huge detour plus the fact that you will need a road to be built between T1-3 and T5 for it to be viable.
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Originally posted by SMB145B:
there is 962, 856 between Woodlands and Sembawang. and 859 doing Yishun and Sembawang. Wa Khaw! 858 is covering for these as well?
27's Tampines to Airport is also covered by 34. 858>34>27 for pax heading to CGA.
858 VS 856/962..can't compare...all serving different sides...most residents need not transfer(bus to Wdl then MRT etc.), that's a good thing.
858 VS 859...can compare. More pax. board 858 to SSC/Yishun than 859. Reason being - directly opposite MRT Station.
*After typing..just realized it's the same idea as SBS351M..*
It's either LTA/SMRT change 858 back to original route(Straight to Gambas), add 858X that runs between Sbw and CGA, or stick to current imo.
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Apparently, it is not a smooth ride for the bendies plying 858. BCs have to be extremely careful in the basement areas. Also does 3 bendies in a fleet of 29 buses really make a big difference? While it is a great start, I don't think SMRT has many WAB bendies to deploy on 858. Also remember, the more WAB bendies it deploys on 858, the more time it will take them to convert feeders/intra towns to WAB, which should be first priority as that is where you have most PIW passengers.
IMO, 858 have the most PIW passengers compared to some feeders/intra towns...
900/901 - Didn't see any PIW pax. so far(for what I've seen)
911 - 1/2 only.. -
Originally posted by SMB145B:
buying more bendies is out. Bus Contracts currently only had 12m Rigids and 12m DDs.
Eventually most of the 41 bendies would be on 858. Since Airport do not facilitate DDs, the best option left are these 18m Bendies.
Bus Contracts is dead...nothing is impossible. They would definitely buy more if they had to.
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Whole CGA Terminal is a little messy IMO...
You need to walk some distance to reach the Skytrain, MRT, Buses. The only closest form of transportation is Taxi...
Haha if a centralized bus terminal is built, they ought to make transportation as easy as finding a taxi at the airport...
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Originally posted by TIB429E:
Bus Contracts is dead...nothing is impossible. They would definitely buy more if they had to.
They would probably have to enhance their lives if they need to. CBD routes will not allow any bendy buses.
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
For now they can still order another 40-50 units out of their own account.858 can safely deployed 7 A24s(5 AP/2 S1).
Best now for SMRT is to stop ordering A22 and E500 ASAP, and take in more A24s, alongside A95s...
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Originally posted by TPS Timothy Mok:
They would probably have to enhance their lives if they need to. CBD routes will not allow any bendy buses.
But do all buse services ply the CBD?
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Seeing that bendies can manoeuvre in CGA, LTA may actually order a24s for airport services, and negotiate with sbst.
bendies shouldnt be deployed back to back, like a22 a24 a24 a22, would prefer a24 a22 a22 a22 a24, at least 3-4 a22s in between.
is 180 actually having too many bendies(O405Gs n a24s)? like most i see are 3/4 seated only, should change a24 to a22 leh... then can cut some a24 n give 1-2 to 858 while the leftovers can go to feeder
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Originally posted by A Bus Observer:
Seeing that bendies can manoeuvre in CGA, LTA may actually order a24s for airport services, and negotiate with sbst.
bendies shouldnt be deployed back to back, like a22 a24 a24 a22, would prefer a24 a22 a22 a22 a24, at least 3-4 a22s in between.
is 180 actually having too many bendies? like most i see are 3/4 seated only, should change to a22 leh... then can cut some bendies n give 1-2 to 858.
the O405G aren't ready for CGA-bound routes
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Originally posted by SMB145B:
the O405G aren't ready for CGA-bound routes
i was referring to the a24s on 180...
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Originally posted by A Bus Observer:
i was referring to the a24s on 180...
there must be a reason why the A24s are on 180.
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Originally posted by TIB429E:
Whole CGA Terminal is a little messy IMO...
You need to walk some distance to reach the Skytrain, MRT, Buses. The only closest form of transportation is Taxi...
Haha if a centralized bus terminal is built, they ought to make transportation as easy as finding a taxi at the airport...
With terminal 5 built from scratch, the skytrain, MRT and buses there should be better integrated... Changi Airport T5 ITH, with MRT at basement, bus int/ter at ground level, skytrain elevated?
Although for T1,2,3 (and 4), I'm not so sure if an integrated bus terminus at Jewel (as some are suggesting) would be better... it's more to connect all 3 existing terminals but doesn't lead directly to the main departure/arrival areas for each, and the current arrangement of buses going to each terminal's basement is more direct and convenient.
If the main purpose of building a new,integrated bus int at Changi T1,2,3 is just to allow DDs to ply there, I don't think that's a v good reason... SMRT has shown that bendies can now ply Changi Airport, and when GCM takes over, we'll see whether this can be done for other (currently SBST) svcs, if needed. We could also see some svcs being shortened, split or amended.
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Originally posted by A Bus Observer:
Seeing that bendies can manoeuvre in CGA, LTA may actually order a24s for airport services, and negotiate with sbst.
bendies shouldnt be deployed back to back, like a22 a24 a24 a22, would prefer a24 a22 a22 a22 a24, at least 3-4 a22s in between.
is 180 actually having too many bendies(O405Gs n a24s)? like most i see are 3/4 seated only, should change a24 to a22 leh... then can cut some a24 n give 1-2 to 858 while the leftovers can go to feeder
u shld ride 180 during AM peak twrds boon lay & PM peak twrds BP(usually 6pm plus onwards)
i have seen it myself & the load is huge
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Originally posted by azharjj:
u shld ride 180 during AM peak twrds boon lay & PM peak twrds BP(usually 6pm plus onwards)
i have seen it myself & the load is huge
i agree with this...even though 180 dun really have much loadings during AM off peak, the load during peak and even PM off peak is huge. Often buses will be packed to the door upon reaching Jurong Town Hall (twd BP), or even before that during PM peak. I am surprised when i see random A22s doing 180 during PM peak already...
It is similar to 243 in a sense that during PM peak, the queue can go very long and the reason why we dun see it full from Boon Lay is that some chose to wait for next bus in order to get a seat...
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Yes 180 load is huge during peak hours and during school dismissal hours for ITE. Used to ride I to school everyday till a few months ago. I never understood why SMRT never deployed DDs for this service, given that even 172 got DDs. There must probably be a reason behind this.
I would say A24s are more wasteful on 188. This service already has DDs to make It WAB. Shld just use O405Gs if need more HC buses and insufficient DDs. Save the A24s for 858 or feeder like 300, since they belong to KJDEP.
With 858 getting bendys and proving CGA can be bendy-friendly and deploying bendy on services like 860, I believe LTA will have to seriously consider getting bendys in limited amounts to serve these services. Anyway, LTA had never said no bendy explicitly. My prediction is that it is always under consideration but can't order till the O405Gs are gone.
Somemore on 860, Is MP make SMRT deploy bendy. It would have been easier to get a DD from BSEP, but given that a bendy is deployed, there must be a reason. Also its a matter of time before residents start to complain that 1A24 is not enough. Also quite fishy that they got a bendy deployed on 983 alongside their DDs. Don't tell me they couldn't spare one more DD.
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Lets see how will they allocate those A24s if they order another batch.
300:6 units at least with remaining A22s
302:7 units
800:4 units
804:6 units
806:8 units
811:7 units
812:6 units
900/901:4 units each
903:5 units
911:5 units
912/913:7 units at least each
Not to mention spare of 2 units each for 902,904 & 920 in future
If 860 doesnt get extended then they need another 3 units.
858:7 units to be safe.
Already 92 A24s..At least Wldep need 6 spare A24s,Amdep need 3-4 spare A24s and Kjdep need at least 2-3 units spare.
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Originally posted by randomguy10:
Yes 180 load is huge during peak hours and during school dismissal hours for ITE. Used to ride I to school everyday till a few months ago. I never understood why SMRT never deployed DDs for this service, given that even 172 got DDs. There must probably be a reason behind this.
I would say A24s are more wasteful on 188. This service already has DDs to make It WAB. Shld just use O405Gs if need more HC buses and insufficient DDs. Save the A24s for 858 or feeder like 300, since they belong to KJDEP.
With 858 getting bendys and proving CGA can be bendy-friendly and deploying bendy on services like 860, I believe LTA will have to seriously consider getting bendys in limited amounts to serve these services. Anyway, LTA had never said no bendy explicitly. My prediction is that it is always under consideration but can't order till the O405Gs are gone.
Somemore on 860, Is MP make SMRT deploy bendy. It would have been easier to get a DD from BSEP, but given that a bendy is deployed, there must be a reason. Also its a matter of time before residents start to complain that 1A24 is not enough. Also quite fishy that they got a bendy deployed on 983 alongside their DDs. Don't tell me they couldn't spare one more DD.
860 is spammed with so many buses at 02-04 minute interval that it is doing well without high capacity buses. You can see the loading observation in loading level of buses from lemon and me. Very similar. There is 30-45 minutes interval in AM peak when the crowd really surges. For just that time, you don't need more HC buses.
Having said this, 860 is only service on Ring Road, and with the number of flats coming along Ring Road, st 51, sooner or later... 860 will need a fleet like 291. But as of today, doing just fine.
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just onboard 858 bendy recently, wow.. finally.. the feeling of a bendy bus in changi airport is awesome :D
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Can someone request smrt to deploy more of A24 to feeder 300?
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Originally posted by Bussyboy50:
just onboard 858 bendy recently, wow.. finally.. the feeling of a bendy bus in changi airport is awesome :D
First HC bus svc to ply all three terminals right?Like the Heathrow express bus service,only a few L94UA still running
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Originally posted by TPS Timothy Mok:
They would probably have to enhance their lives if they need to. CBD routes will not allow any bendy buses.
"CBD routes will not allow any bendy buses" isn't said by LTA, but rather bus enthus.
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Originally posted by randomguy10:
Yes 180 load is huge during peak hours and during school dismissal hours for ITE. Used to ride I to school everyday till a few months ago. I never understood why SMRT never deployed DDs for this service, given that even 172 got DDs. There must probably be a reason behind this.
I would say A24s are more wasteful on 188. This service already has DDs to make It WAB. Shld just use O405Gs if need more HC buses and insufficient DDs. Save the A24s for 858 or feeder like 300, since they belong to KJDEP.
With 858 getting bendys and proving CGA can be bendy-friendly and deploying bendy on services like 860, I believe LTA will have to seriously consider getting bendys in limited amounts to serve these services. Anyway, LTA had never said no bendy explicitly. My prediction is that it is always under consideration but can't order till the O405Gs are gone.
Somemore on 860, Is MP make SMRT deploy bendy. It would have been easier to get a DD from BSEP, but given that a bendy is deployed, there must be a reason. Also its a matter of time before residents start to complain that 1A24 is not enough. Also quite fishy that they got a bendy deployed on 983 alongside their DDs. Don't tell me they couldn't spare one more DD.
Maybe when new flats are ready, they boost the capacity for 180? (To DD)
860 should get bendy rather than DD. Aunties won't be going up with their trolleys and bags...
Agrees that 188(and 971E) should not get bendy..but DD.