Originally posted by dupdup77:Hi mr carbikebus, of course you are talking about tampines town which is conferred as the jewel of the east. It is a mature town and furthermore it is one of the major towns as far as east of Singapore is concerned. Moreover, tampines ave 7 is super close to what else? Singapore changi airport! It is one of the roads that leads to the expressway to airport. So it is not surprising to me that you can find high traffic even at wee hours in the night. Cheers.
Tampines Ave 5 also has a flyover for the PIE, 27 turns into the PIE from there to get to Changi Airport.
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:Yes coz people along CCK have grown.
You must not also forget that 188 does ply Bukit Batok West Aves 6, 3, 2, 4, 7 and 5... These places also contribute to the load hugely, since they are near to IMM and IBP.
Originally posted by 23ispolo:Tampines Ave 5 also has a flyover for the PIE, 27 turns into the PIE from there to get to Changi Airport.
That place is much less busier at night as it does not serve much heartlands as compared to Ave 7. More car users stay at flats along Ave 2/7/9 than those along Ave 5/1.
And Ave 5 is further away from CGA than Ave 7.
Originally posted by SMB128B:That place is much less busier at night as it does not serve much heartlands as compared to Ave 7. More car users stay at flats along Ave 2/7/9 than those along Ave 5/1.
And Ave 5 is further away from CGA than Ave 7.
Both are busy and have easy access to cga depending on where in Tampined you stay.
Originally posted by 23ispolo:Agreed. Most people rather take 27 from Tampines Ave 4/5, then go directly to PIE non-stop to the airport... If take 34, got to take Tampines Ave 2, before getting onto the TPE, which means a longer running time... Also, better frequency for 27.
SBS3307 SBS3310 SBS3745 SBS3746 SBS3752 SBS3758 SBS3761 SBS3768 SBS6738 SBS6739
And 4 Sv 27 buses
To 27M
Transfer all the KUB Euro IV to BBDEP.
Originally posted by 23ispolo:You must not also forget that 188 does ply Bukit Batok West Aves 6, 3, 2, 4, 7 and 5... These places also contribute to the load hugely, since they are near to IMM and IBP.
Agreed
Originally posted by SBS3004X:SBS3307 SBS3310 SBS3745 SBS3746 SBS3752 SBS3758 SBS3761 SBS3768 SBS6738 SBS6739
And 4 Sv 27 buses
To 27M
Transfer all the KUB Euro IV to BBDEP.
Is this your own deployment for 27M... Ideally it is perfect deployment if LTA/SBST decide to launch 27M
Unusual observation: 2 buses on Sv 333 left interchange am peak at same time.
08.34am - 333 (23 pax)
08.35am - 333 (01 pax)
even if first bus is late, does it even make sense to deploy non high-loading service at same time from interchange. I am sure the second bus went empty through out and on return with not more than 05/08 pax on board.
2 sbs 62 bunch along hougang ave 1, lorong ah soo at 10.15am on 30-04-2014. It is rather surprising that at this sort of timing which office and production workers are already working and sbs 62 will still bunch. This is really one of the rare cases and there is no gimmick because I am sitting on one of the sbs 62. Cheers.
sv62 loop service bunching up is a daily occurence especially during peak hours, at 1015am , the set of buses are the last few before the peak timing ends, heavy traffic at Hougang Ave 3/2(even though bus lane), Macpherson Rd are the main causes
Originally posted by dupdup77:2 sbs 62 bunch along hougang ave 1, lorong ah soo at 10.15am on 30-04-2014. It is rather surprising that at this sort of timing which office and production workers are already working and sbs 62 will still bunch. This is really one of the rare cases and there is no gimmick because I am sitting on one of the sbs 62. Cheers.
Direction to Geyland or Punggol?
Originally posted by Acx1688:sv62 loop service bunching up is a daily occurence especially during peak hours, at 1015am , the set of buses are the last few before the peak timing ends, heavy traffic at Hougang Ave 3/2(even though bus lane), Macpherson Rd are the main causes
Most loop services have this issue - that's why I am not in favor of them.
Even a short loop service like 116 has started bunching though frequency is 10-12 minutes. Observed few days back at NEX first bus got around 15/20 pax in AM and next bus got less than 5 if I remember correctly.
Originally posted by dupdup77:2 sbs 62 bunch along hougang ave 1, lorong ah soo at 10.15am on 30-04-2014. It is rather surprising that at this sort of timing which office and production workers are already working and sbs 62 will still bunch. This is really one of the rare cases and there is no gimmick because I am sitting on one of the sbs 62. Cheers.
What I don't understand is how services leave interchange in bunched manner. See example of 333 above your post. It is such a waste to do that. Full route travel together and both buses not even seated capacity.
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
Direction to Geyland or Punggol?
Hi mr BusAnalyser, in direction towards geylang lor 1. Cheers.
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
What I don't understand is how services leave interchange in bunched manner. See example of 333 above your post. It is such a waste to do that. Full route travel together and both buses not even seated capacity.
Hi mr BusAnalyser, yes first bus for sbs333 must be late already. So 2nd bus still has to leave as it is scheduled on time. It is not easy to withdraw the bus driver on duty at the very last minute for the 2nd bus. Moreover, along the journey, there may be too many people waiting at the bus stops. So when the 2 buses come together, some will choose bus 1 while some choose bus 2. You cannot expect people all flock to bus 1 as people are able to check the bus arrival timings through apps and they will know whether that bus service is being short-changed if it runs 1 bus lesser than normal. People will not understand that the first bus was late. Rather they will think of it as being irregular and point the finger at sbs transit for reducing the frequency if 1 bus is short. Cheers
Originally posted by dupdup77:Hi mr BusAnalyser, yes first bus for sbs333 must be late already. So 2nd bus still has to leave as it is scheduled on time. It is not easy to withdraw the bus driver on duty at the very last minute for the 2nd bus. Moreover, along the journey, there may be too many people waiting at the bus stops. So when the 2 buses come together, some will choose bus 1 while some choose bus 2. You cannot expect people all flock to bus 1 as people are able to check the bus arrival timings through apps and they will know whether that bus service is being short-changed if it runs 1 bus lesser than normal. People will not understand that the first bus was late. Rather they will think of it as being irregular and point the finger at sbs transit for reducing the frequency if 1 bus is short. Cheers
Ok if it is a service like 334 - completely agree. A service like 333 where am peak loading is 40-50 pax (on the higher side), bunching should be totally avoided. The easy way out would be since it was am peak to send the 2nd 333 bus off service from jurong townhall, east ave 1 to st 32 and do downroute from there instead of doing whole route. This way would have made up for the delay of first bus also. We need more creative ways of deployment by ground staff.
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:Ok if it is a service like 334 - completely agree. A service like 333 where am peak loading is 40-50 pax (on the higher side), bunching should be totally avoided. The easy way out would be since it was am peak to send the 2nd 333 bus off service from jurong townhall, east ave 1 to st 32 and do downroute from there instead of doing whole route. This way would have made up for the delay of first bus also. We need more creative ways of deployment by ground staff.
Ok agree but i think they are not that reactive enough to every scenario that occurs. In short, they are not very spontaneous. They will just let it go and hope the 2 buses will settle the crowds along the routes and they will even out themselves. This is only possible if the 2 bus captains cooperate.
Originally posted by dupdup77:Ok agree but i think they are not that reactive enough to every scenario that occurs. In short, they are not very spontaneous. They will just let it go and hope the 2 buses will settle the crowds along the routes and they will even out themselves. This is only possible if the 2 bus captains cooperate.
You know I have seen many such situations especially with HGDEP BCs on sv 147, 51 where 2 DDs will be back to back. The DD behind will not overtake the DD in front. The first bus is late, keeps getting further delayed. The BC behind keeps 1 bus in between. Front bus takes all the load. Bus behind goes empty. Does not help pax, nor operator.
4 cases today:
1. Service 307. Time was 11am at blk 702 (CCK DR) bus stop. SMB209B bunch with SMB213M after 20 mins wait...next bus was SMB212R, which was opposite, meaning, will take at least 15 mins to reach Blk 702 stop...
2. Service 241. Time was 425pm at pioneer MRT towards Boon Lay. 3 buses together. SBS3299L, SBS3660B and another wright.
3. Service 199. Time was 440pm at junction of Nanyang Ave and Jln Bahar towards Boon Lay. SBS2786D and SBS3243Y
4. Service 975. Time was 455pm at blk 464 (CCK AVE 3) bus stop towards BPJ. SMB3077U (Fully seated) and TIB610Y (Packed to the door)
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
You know I have seen many such situations especially with HGDEP BCs on sv 147, 51 where 2 DDs will be back to back. The DD behind will not overtake the DD in front. The first bus is late, keeps getting further delayed. The BC behind keeps 1 bus in between. Front bus takes all the load. Bus behind goes empty. Does not help pax, nor operator.
Hi mr busanalyser, yes this is very normal. Sbs transit expects bus drivers to help smoothen the crowd. In actual practise, bus drivers will not do anything extra. They will rather let it flow. Maybe because they are tired after such a long journey. Or maybe they dont care.
Time: 2050hrs at Phoenix LRT towards BPJ
Service 975 bunch again...TIB963D and TIB703M
Most impossible service to bunch up due to freq but has actually happened!
Sv401 Scania/citaro arriving together at M Parade Rd 1917hrs May 1
Originally posted by SMB42P:4 cases today:
1. Service 307. Time was 11am at blk 702 (CCK DR) bus stop. SMB209B bunch with SMB213M after 20 mins wait...next bus was SMB212R, which was opposite, meaning, will take at least 15 mins to reach Blk 702 stop...
2. Service 241. Time was 425pm at pioneer MRT towards Boon Lay. 3 buses together. SBS3299L, SBS3660B and another wright.
3. Service 199. Time was 440pm at junction of Nanyang Ave and Jln Bahar towards Boon Lay. SBS2786D and SBS3243Y
4. Service 975. Time was 455pm at blk 464 (CCK AVE 3) bus stop towards BPJ. SMB3077U (Fully seated) and TIB610Y (Packed to the door)
2 buses on 179/241 is very common.. But three together is a problem.
Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:2 buses on 179/241 is very common.. But three together is a problem.
My view on SBS Transit and SMRT services which have been reported with much bunching up incidents:
I think 190 and 961 are okay... Not as much bunching up as before. Must say SMRT is improving the frequency manangement for both services... However, 851 still have bunching up sometimes, which is quite normal and there is somehow better control on the frequency now... For SBS Transit, 160 and 170 frequency is worst, very irregular due to WDL checkpoint... 51 is okay, now lesser chances of bunching up, despite the frequency.